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There were 17 shots fired at 21:45 on Rosario Park off Highway 154 Saturday. The suspect is at large.
Gunshots on Rosario Park?
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June 30, 2019, 12:22 pm
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Gun fanatics can justify anything, despite decades of data showing that the presence of a firearm in a household does nothing but increase the danger to members of the household.
“Gun fanatics can justify anything”, so can anti-gun fanatics.
Don’t like nuclear weapons either but glad we all have to suffer MAD – mutually assured destruction if they ever get used. Far better than them having them, and us not. Guns the same way – they could be the pivotal key to our exceptional experiment in self-governance. As the right to bear arms intended. Not sure why the anti-gun crowd wants to so totally misrepresent gun ownership; but ignore the disturbed personalities that do in fact abuse them. Their anti-gun energies are better spent on the persons and not the weapon of choice. Join in the exploration, please. Patterns are emerging; while anti-gun people insist on total confiscation. Not sure what drives that distortion.
Except the people opposed to unlimited firearms have data to back up their position. The gun fanatics have only emotion and NRA propaganda.
Dat show that most gun injuries and deaths do not involve mentally ill people, except as victims. They show that you’re much more likely to be shot by an acquaintance or yourself, either deliberately or by accident. Guns are death, but some people value material things above other people.
Data, of course.
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/21/17028930/gun-violence-mass-shootings-us-statistics-charts
You can blather partisan rhetoric all day, but if you look at actual data on the issue of gun violence, there are some clear conclusions. Through its bought and paid for members of the legislative branch, the NRA has blocked the CDC from conducting epidemiological studies of gun violence, but it is such an important policy issue that numerous independent large-scale studies have been carried out. The data from these, along with the data from countries that do have gun control, show several things:
(1) Gun violence has very little to do with mental illness.
(2) More guns means more crime and death.
3) A gun in the home means your family members are an order of magnitude more likely to be injured or killed.
(4) Strict national gun control works.
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Well worth reading:
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http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20180417-what-would-happen-if-all-guns-disappeared
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https://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun-violence-united-states-america
Not only are death rates from firearms increasing, but they are highest in rural states, where hunting is usually given as the justification for owning a firearm.
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
One Christmas morning about 18 or so years ago several neighbors who lived in Thatans place over the fence had it in for me after I faced off with them over Belinda they had called the police on me but now they were going to do an early morning surprise attack on me. They were pushing in my door to get at me I woke up grabbed my trusty BB Gun air pumped it 4 times real fast and growled “Who the F is it!?” Those little punks took off like little bats out of hell they thought I had a shot gun…They moved out soon after that. If I would not have had that BB Gun I woulda had to use my pic axe and it woulda made a hell of a mess I’m grateful for the gun even though it’s a BB Gun…
You’re not keeping up with the facts. There are over 390 million firearms (that we know of) owned by civilians in the US. That’s enough for every man, woman, and child, plus 67 million left over. We are truly awash in firearms stupidity.
This is just another of many reasons why guns need to be banned in the U.S. How many people hunt for their food anymore? How many people can’t rely on law enforcement to protect them? How many people …
There are almost 300 million guns in the US. If you do the math, you’ll realized that far fewer get mis used than the media shows you. The media doesn’t sell papers or get clicks with stories like “Billy Bob put his shotgun in the safe for the 10,000th day of his life to keep it from his kids” or “Melissa executed good gun safety practices at the range.” They don’t report “Sue scared a rapist off by brandishing her pistol.”
If you ever did leave our little overcrowding paradise, you’d see that people do use them for hunting and all sorts of recreational shooting. They also used them in rural and inner city areas for self protection because the police can’t and/or won’t step up.
Anti-gun people don’t necessarily want “all guns gone” but there needs to be some thought beyond the NRA being against any sensible gun control of any kind. Maybe some one can explain why AK47s should be used and exactly what their use is intended for. Extremely un-sportsman like to go hunting with them. I’ll bet families where a kid finds a gun at home and shoots a sibling or little friend wish to heck they’d never gotten one.
We are awash in firearms, not firearms stupidity, If you’d do the math you’d see that. The solution isn’t to “take everyone’s guns” because that’s impossible. It’s a sound bite that gives liberals and liberal politicians a warm fuzzy but doesn’t actually DO anything because it’s not possible and not practical. All that does is make the pro-gun crowd more crazy by making them think they can’t afford to give an inch. A lot of them want to give an inch. Some of them want to give more. But if it looks like a slippery slope they won’t engage and you can’t make them.
I’m NOT saying there isn’t a problem or we should just throw up our hands and give up. But there are root causes to the problem that need to be addressed first. Some of them are pretty harmful to liberal sensibilities like subsidizing firearms makers so they stop producing pointless novelty guns or teaching gun safety and handling in school with real guns. But there are some which will bother conservatives like socialized mental health care and maybe requiring people who want to own an assault rifle join the National Guard.
It’s just like banning smoking in Santa Barbara or weed. If nobody cares, it doesn’t matter.
@Flicka Here is some real information: AR15s are actually pretty common rifle to use for hunting. In this part of the country they’re used for coyotes and wild pigs, sometimes for deer. They’re decent weapons for less than 200 yard shots of small/mid-sized game. Some guys are pretty good shots at 200yards + but I have trouble at that range and prefer an alternative rifle type. Of course, an AR15 is just a black version of a semiautomatic rifle that can be found in many other rifles of the same caliber. If you’re interested, take a look at the Ruger Mini 14. Functionally the same as an AR15 but with a wood stock. So maybe that rifle type is easier to comprehend why the AR15 is a good choice in some hunting situations. Most gun owners have a variety of weapons based on the circumstances…just like any tool the right one can make all the difference.
Partisan rhetoric just what’s in those links. Strict gun control may work, Americans generally don’t want strict gun control. Guns are a buffer against government tyranny in their minds. You may disagree – it’s a partisan view all on its own. But it is what it is. Millions of Americans believe it. And you may think they’re stupid but you’re not going to change their minds by changing the law, even if you can get the law changed. It’s an intensely emotional argument which no gun owner really cares about what statistics say – especially if they come from liberal mouthpieces like the BBC and Vox. No more than a liberal cares about how Fox news thinks Donald Trump is a great President. Humans, even liberals that worship statistics, are not rational actors.
I see. You prefer the gut “truthiness” of non-facts, believing only what you want to believe. What is in those links is not partisan rhetoric, but hard facts collected by the epidemiologists at the CDC. You know, those scientist folks. And those statistics also show that a majority of Americans want strict gun control. Do you even know what rhetoric means? What you wrote was rhetoric. No facts involved.
What hogwash. Nobody needs 10 or 30 rounds to hunt, and assault-style weapons, unless they’ve been modified with heavy floating barrels, are not known for their accuracy.
Being awash in firearms is being awash in stupidity. Anyone with any military experience knows just how long a group of “freedom loving militia” would last against any military operation. It’s just stupid macho posturing by the firearms worshippers who never grew up.
@Macpuz, You’ve obviously never hunted wild hogs or coyote in CA. Or you’re Annie Oakley. The rest of us mortals need a few rounds to hit mark.
Gun control is very effective in Chicago. Very strict gun control laws, only criminals have guns, and very high shooting rates resulting in lots of deaths and injuries on a weekly basis.
Watch as the people of Hong Kong become helpless to experience self-governance because of lack of weapons. The Chinese government got away with Tiananmen Square for the same reason.
I got a simple solution to all the gun violence in, Chicago and in every major City in America . Complete ban on all Ammunition . Problem solved .
If ammunition is outlawed only outlaws will have ammunition .
And we’ll throw them in jail.
Spray and pray should not be a hunting strategy, at least if you have any sense of ethics.
At least in California, as of today, we’ll have a little more sanity in the purchase of ammunition, requiring background checks and ID. Even better would be batches of ammunition with traceable contaminants in the propellent, and registering the chemical fingerprint of the ammunition lot along with the buyer’s ID.
Which is why we need national laws, not just regional ones. In a country awash with guns, it’s ridiculous to think a single municipality could effectively control them. No, the best fallback will be to control the supply of ammunition, add chemical signatures to ammunition batches, trace ammunition purchases, and perhaps engineer ammunition with a more limited shelf life to defeat stockpiling.