Plastic Bags

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I thought Santa Barbara passed an ordinance, banning the distribution of plastic bags by stores in Santa Barbara.

Can someone please explain why many stores still provide plastic bags at 10¢ each for customers to use? I thought the ordinance specifically states that only paper bags are to be offered for sale and that the money gained by the store on each 10¢ per bag charge is to be considered an incentive to the store for complying with the ban on providing the plastic bag option for groceries.

As the horror of our plastic use overtaking the ocean life begins to sink in with us all, perhaps it might be time to start stepping up and doing what we can to at least SLOW the plastic consumption down. I don’t know why the city of Santa Barbara is allowing this to continue in stores.

There doesn’t seem to be a problem writing tickets for parking violations, so why is there a problem enforcing with the ordinance on plastic bags?

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a-1561572555 Jun 10, 2019 02:00 PM
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Reading through this thread it astounds me how many people continue to latch onto single-use plastic bags as if their very lives depended on having plastic bags. Go on eBay and buy yourselves some reusable cloth or polyester bags and get on with your lives. What's the big deal? Is it the "inconvenience" of having to remember to take your own bags into the stores? The fact that "someone" is denying you your beloved plastic bags? ***Every little bit helps.*** We here in the USA can do our part by refusing to contribute to even more non-biodegradable refuse. It's a pity and a shame that people need to be told to do the right thing. If it takes a ban to help clean up even a tiny bit of the plastics going into our oceans and wilderness, then so be it.

Lucky 777 Jun 10, 2019 01:05 PM
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And just how are the vegetable-encasing flimsy plastic bags so different from the 10cent carry-out bags? If you place the vegetables and fruit directly into the cart you risk contamination from chicken blood, infant feces, who knows what all... so we pick up the food, bag it, and then feel virtuous about the bags we bring with us to bag them all into. I'm with Factotum: "Prohibition at the sales point is just one more intrusion of the nanny state, subverting the learned concept of personal responsibility. Guard against this. "

Shasta Guy Jun 10, 2019 12:50 PM
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I was once at a beautiful waterfall in Honduras just like Burney Falls in Northern California. However, that beautiful place looked like a landfill with all the litter scattered about. You could’t sit down without sitting on a piece of trash. With all that trash described by Flicka, someone needs to spearhead the “Leave No Trace Society” for Mexico City.

PitMix Jun 10, 2019 03:26 PM
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Poor countries don't have the resources to deal with this problem that the petrochemical and plastics industries have spread all over the world. We can help them by developing products that don't harm the environment and aren't so costly in terms of $ and landfill space to dispose of. Cloth or biodegradable bags like at TJ's are feasible.

oops Jun 10, 2019 09:25 AM
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its a business model...soon restaurants will be selling straws for 10 cents

Factotum Jun 10, 2019 08:48 AM
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Using a plastic bag is not the problem; it is the irresponsible disposal of the bag that is the problem. People at this point should be policing themselves, which they actually do fairly well in this state, Prohibition at the sales point is just one more intrusion of the nanny state, subverting the learned concept of personal responsibility. Guard against this. Banning plastic bags in Santa Barbara is not going to clean up Manila Bay in the Philippines.

andrewbaker77 Jun 11, 2019 09:10 AM
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Actually, using a plastic bag (and other plastic) is the problem. Only 9% of plastic is recycled, and recycled is actually down-cycled. It's degraded into something else, then, eventually, it's landfilled or tossed. Any time you can replace plastic as an option, it should be replaced - bag or otherwise.

Shasta Guy Jun 10, 2019 01:02 PM
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You got that right. Littering is a behavior which must be UNlearned. My experience in Honduras was one of unchecked littering everywhere. My leave no trace mentality was severely assaulted. At one point there was no trash receptacle to be found anywhere. So I chucked something out the bus window like everybody else, which my friends still remind me of.

LocalMatt Jun 09, 2019 07:20 PM
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It must be ok to have all those plastic bags to put fruits and vegetables in. Oh and those trash bags for your kitchen!

Bene Jun 09, 2019 04:45 PM
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It's definitely good to cut down on plastic bags, but not to get too fanatical about it. The bigger picture is that we still have much worse plastic items that will never be banned and are causing far more harm, e.g., plastic water bottles, plastic coating inside every canned food item you buy and frozen dinners, plastic plumbing parts, plastic appliances, plastic furniture, plastic dishes----too much to list. Our world is full of plastic. Our world is full of the worst kind of air and water pollution. To put such excessive zeal into banning plastic bags is missing the forest for one tree. BTW, those big huge plastic bags that the self righteous lug to the market with smug faces have more plastic than probably hundreds of small bags and they can end up in some landfill or ocean too. (Not to say I don’t also lug those bags.)

Factotum Jun 10, 2019 09:23 AM
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Single use plastic water. Any water sold in plastic containers. What is with this water thing anyway. No science supports 10 glasses of water a day. Drink when you are thirsty from the city tap.

PitMix Jun 10, 2019 09:16 AM
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Gotta start somewhere. Where do you suggest we start?

mesarez Jun 09, 2019 02:31 PM
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It’s really disappointing that convenience seems to get the better part of most people. I challenge anyone who uses the plastic bags the stores STILL provide as per the minimum requirements- wash it in the machine or disinfect it as needed during the 125 minimum uses. I’m curious how long it actually lasts. Mine didn’t make it even half the amount carrying half the required minimum weight. Wake up folks! If we don’t stand up for something we will fall for anything. This is a ridiculous money making opportunity using claims of protecting our environment. Personally, I believe if something is worth doing, it’s worth doing right the first time. Santa Barbara is supposedly one of the best cities in the country. I’d be more comfortable saying this if I could stand behind it. Without integrity in our choices as a city and community, The only thing setting us apart from cities lower on that list of best cities, is that ours is more expensive. We have to act now to save this planet. Get the heads out of the sand and DO SOMETHING PLEASE! It starts with one!

EastBeach Jun 09, 2019 02:56 PM
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The best grocery bags are the those made from a thicker canvas-like material with good stitching and bar-tacking on the straps. Got mine from the UCSB bookstore back in the late-90's and am *STILL* using them regularly for groceries. Super simple to use and wash!

RHS Jun 09, 2019 10:40 AM
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What is the hostility to the idea that this product, almost always used but one time and then discarded at best into landfill forever, shouldn't be controlled. Producers of plastics should a fee/tax/assessment to support research and technology that will deal with the social problem their product created. "Paying one's own way" seems a fair motto. Solutions may include environmentally safe incineration or a new kind of plastic that can be returned to its constituent parts or ? Why don't we find out. PS Every day I pick up discarded plastic from the gutters and sidewalks in my relatively affluent neighborhood. Don't pretend to claim that there is no escaped plastic out there.

PitMix Jun 10, 2019 09:18 AM
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They've already done that; they just need us to get used to the idea of paying a little more for a better product. But that is not how the US rolls now- our expectations got Walmarted.

kohn1 Jun 09, 2019 02:19 PM
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RHS Be sure to let everyone know when you invent a new kind of plastic.

sea dog Jun 09, 2019 06:46 AM
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I spent over 10,000 hours diving the coast and the channel islands and literally never saw plastic bags under water. I don't mind bringing my own bags to the store, but I don't tell myself I am saving the ocean … or the forest ...

andrewbaker77 Jun 09, 2019 08:45 AM
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Just because you don't see a problem, does not mean there is no problem. Anyone who knows anything about sea life knows plastic + ocean = a really bad combo. Anyone who knows anything about trash knows that 9% of plastic is recycled, meaning 91% is not recycled. And, recycled isn't correct - down-cycled is the true term. Plastic degraded in its use, and even "re" cycled will eventually become unusable.

Flicka Jun 08, 2019 06:09 PM
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There are forests around Mexico City dying because of so many plastic bags have flown into them. Here many end up in the ocean, on the beach, etc. What do you suppose people did before plastic? Somehow they managed to do well enough to get through life. Those plastic water bottles have ingredients that aren't healthy. You can get reusable water bottles and reusable bags for groceries and everything else made from material.

a-1561572555 Jun 08, 2019 04:46 PM
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We simply buy a box of 1,000 t-shirt bags at Smart & Final for around $22. We use them for all sorts of things. Takes us about a year to go through them, then we just get another box.

a-1561572555 Jun 09, 2019 12:06 PM
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What selfishness. Your momentary convenience is more valuable that society's health, especially when it is cheap.

a-1561572555 Jun 08, 2019 10:07 PM
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What's a T shirt bag?

a-1561572555 Jun 08, 2019 03:33 PM
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Plastic bags are really useful for picking up dog poop; the store ones are of thinner plastic and probably disintegrate sooner than the ones one buys at pet stores. Or would all those opposed to plastic bags prefer the poop to be left on the streets?

PitMix Jun 10, 2019 09:20 AM
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The pet store ones are hopefully biodegradable. So would be better to use than the store ones that will outlive you once it is buried in a landfill. Dog feces probably don't biodegrade in the anaerobic environment of the landfill, either.

Factotum Jun 10, 2019 08:52 AM
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I prefer dog poop be left on the street to eventually bio-degrade rather than entombed in a plastic bag and tossed in my yard.

a-1561572555 Jun 08, 2019 12:52 PM
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The bag ban is working fairly well, if you just take a look around. Remember how we used to see so many single-use plastic bags skipping their way down the sidewalk, hanging out on the beaches, lurking in bushes like evil reminders of our selfish ways? Things *are* cleaner out there. And as someone who does a lot of food shopping around town, I have noticed a great many more people using their own bags and even walking out hugging items, bagless, rather than pay for a plastic or paper bag. After seeing this posting, however, I am going to start questioning store managers about policy. That should rattle some cages.

a-1561572555 Jun 08, 2019 02:16 PM
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No I don't remember seeing plastic bags skipping around at all, not much anyway. I don't notice much of a difference.

EastBeach Jun 08, 2019 12:51 PM
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All the answers are here ..... https://www.santabarbaraca.gov/services/recycling/single_use_bags/official_ordinance.asp ...... The ten cents for paper bags does not go to the City but to the store and can only be used to cover costs of complying with the ordinance (includes many non-obvious things but also costs of providing paper/reusable bags). For the OP ... the ordinance allows stores to give out reusable bags (such as those thick plastic bags @Ralphs/Albertsons) either for a fee or for free. Because the City's ordinance was passed before the cutoff data specified in the state's plastic bag ordinance, it is allowed to stand.

a-1561572555 Jun 08, 2019 12:47 PM
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How about this recent news: "The National Park Service quietly removed a visitor center sign that claimed all the glaciers at Glacier National Park would disappear by 2020 due to global warming........“Those signs were based on the observation prior to 2010 that glaciers were shrinking more quickly than a computer model predicted they would,” USGS said. “Subsequently, larger than average snowfall over several winters slowed down that retreat rate and the 2020 date used in the NPS display does not apply anymore.”

PitMix Jun 10, 2019 09:22 AM
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I'm totally convinced by your argument. All those reports of disappearing glaciers all over the world are just fake news lies. Thanks for helping me to see the light. Going to go cruise in my Hummer now.

a-1561572555 Jun 09, 2019 10:51 AM
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SBO: No sense in getting worked up over those who disagree with you because it simply is not worth it. By bitching/moaning about "them" only empowers them more.....basically, you are encouraging the deniers. It's like telling your teen-age daughter to stop seeing that "bad boy" who's a no good POS....she gonna want to see the guy even more. So, stop the insanity, and do some volunteer work to help our community. Remember, those who fail to stand up for what they believe in will only fail themselves. Good luck my friend.

SantaBarbaraObserver Jun 09, 2019 07:32 AM
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Few people on earth are more idiotic than a science denier... I wonder what happened to these people? We're they not hugged enough as kids? Are they just incredibly stupid or are they truly just the world's biggest a - holes??? There is literally no downside to taking better care of the earth and the environment. None. Unless of course you only care about yourself and a little more money... If that is the case, then you should move to Vegas, smoke cigarettes, proclaim that you're a "stable-genius" while pressing slot machine buttons and bitching about how the "libs" took your liberty all day, everyday...

a-1561572555 Jun 08, 2019 10:08 PM
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Long term trends don't lie. Short term ones often do. That's not a gamble I'm willing to take.

420722 Jun 08, 2019 06:23 PM
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Did you totally miss the part where they said the glaciers were going to melt and then they removed the sign because they were WRoNG? “Do not be fooled by short term data” is your motto...so they couldn’t even get the ten year predictions correct so we should just listen to the hundred year one instead? smh...

tagdes Jun 08, 2019 04:01 PM
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And I didn't realize that banning plastic bags was responsible for the larger than average snowfall over several winters....oh...thread jack agenda.

macpuzl Jun 08, 2019 02:13 PM
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For some facts about Glacier National Park, rather than hyped-up propaganda from the "alternative fact" sites like The Daily Caller and Wattsupwiththat, why not look reliable sources: ====================================================================== https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/melting-glaciers.htm ====================================================================== https://www.usgs.gov/centers/norock/science/retreat-glaciers-glacier-national-park?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects

LCP112233 Jun 08, 2019 01:20 PM
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Yup. They just now figured out the earth has been warming and cooling for the entire lifespan. Genius.

kohn1 Jun 08, 2019 12:44 PM
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ANDREWBAKER77 how did you come up with 5 deg. C?

andrewbaker77 Jun 09, 2019 08:47 AM
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Scientific trajectories. If we stop all emission right now, 2°C. If we stay the path, biz as usual, between 4°c to 6°C.

andrewbaker77 Jun 08, 2019 11:58 AM
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We're gonna hit 5°C by 2100. For sure. A small city can't even manage one single change (plastic bags) to help the enviro, and it's the city that started the green movement. Ya, 5°C for sure. FYI - the overall global temp difference between the ice age and pre-industrial, was 4°C. This time...going the other way.

Roger Jun 08, 2019 11:45 AM
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I wondered why they get 5 cents huh? per bag I wonder who's pocket that goes into?

SBsteamer Jun 08, 2019 11:42 AM
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Banning has not worked. An enforced recycling program with incentives to users would help. City 'should not' be getting bag funds!

PitMix Jun 10, 2019 09:24 AM
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Except that the market for recyclables has crashed, so they are just shipping that stuff off to landfills or Malaysia to contaminate their environment. Even aluminum cans are hardly worth the effort now.

kohn1 Jun 08, 2019 11:23 AM
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What do you bag banning fans think about all the plastic packaging in a grocery store? Do you want to ban that, too?

mm1970 Jun 10, 2019 08:37 AM
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Ban it, no, but figure out how to do without? Yes. I've already been attempting to switch to glass or metal where possible. I use reusable cloth bags and containers for rice, beans, nuts, flour in the bulk bins. I can't figure out cheese though.

kohn1 Jun 09, 2019 02:21 PM
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JE2RY6 Get real. That's pipe dream.

Je2ry6 Jun 09, 2019 12:18 PM
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A few " nothings" that can take the place of plastics: glass, paper, cellophane, cardboard, metal etc. Stores got along just fine before plastics.

kohn1 Jun 09, 2019 05:44 AM
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How would you wean yourself off plastics when there's nothing to take it's place?

a-1561572555 Jun 08, 2019 01:59 PM
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KOHN1. Think about how much of our food and drink is wrapped/incased in plastic. Have you read about BPA (bisphenol-A)? Here's a link:----------- http://www.center4research.org/plastic-wrap-plastic-food-containers-safe/-----------------We all need to wean ourselves off plastic.

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