Gyms Open Indoor?

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Are gyms allowed to be open indoors? I thought they were supposed to open for outdoor exercise only, but I'm seeing several fitness centers (large and small) welcoming people indoors. One even papered their windows. Doesn't this violate the health order and what can be done?

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biguglystick Dec 21, 2020 10:16 AM
Gyms Open Indoor?

Working out inside of an indoor gym sounds like a recipe for disaster! WHY can't people understand that California is the epicenter of Coronavirus right now, and that cases are spiking at an unprecedented rate, and that ICU beds are at an all-time crisis low? STAY HOME, people, or work out OUTSIDE, far away from others!!!!

a-1608426158 Dec 19, 2020 05:02 PM
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Content and form both display remarkable levels of lack of knowledge.

behm.jason@gmail Dec 19, 2020 04:07 PM
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My Environmental Geology instructor once said, "Humans will always be in Harms way"
One part of the globe is on fire, he other side has a hurricane, the other region just endured an Eartquake induced tsunami where vasts portion of the Island was unpassable due to Radiactive material, remember Fukishima, still in same state rt now...And everyones worried about a virus that is predertimed by nature to strike whomever gets it due to their genetic make up, blood types, diets, and body types, vaccines, you cant stop it, just like that storm that is coming ourway....CarpeDiem-

Shasta Guy Dec 19, 2020 03:48 PM
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The Santa Barbara Covid Butterfly Effect: a random person goes to a gym then another random person across town drops dead.

a-1608458447 Dec 20, 2020 02:00 AM
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Or, some cretinous fool flaps their lips on the internet denying the seriousness of the pandemic, and thoughtless acolytes regurgitate the propaganda.

Voice of Reason Dec 19, 2020 10:45 AM
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Honest question to a lot of the lockdown proponents. Where do you think we'd be today, if back in March the media and Gov. Newsom said that as long as we isolate the elderly, 99.9% of the people who contract Covid-19 will survive, and the total amount of Californian lives lost to this virus would be 40-50,000 people? These are the stats we now know to be true, and a reasonable estimate of total lives that will be lost, instead of the wildly incorrect "2-3 MILLION Californians will perish" the original "models" predicted. Would your position today be different? Would we have even locked down back in March? Would schools have closed for single day? How many years of life has our response cost society? How much has our response increased education and income inequality in California? When looking at the nominal difference between CA and states that took a more hands off approach, providing guidance and directions rather than mandates and restrictions, is CA's response worth it?

Randomizedname Dec 19, 2020 10:20 AM
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If you all were really worried about your children’s education you would find a way to get it done plain and simple. Just like I did. You would be focusing on how to feed your kids and yourself and make $$ not on how many gyms are open and who’s doing what. Focus on yourself. The government doesn’t care about us

Andrea Smith Dec 18, 2020 05:09 PM
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Americans are not hearty people in my opinion. They are petulant and childish. I have family in Europe, they all do what they are being asked to do and not screaming and throwing tantrums. People here really have not gone through true suffering and it shows. This is nothing really in the big scheme of life - and the more people resist like this the longer we will be in this mess - instead of just buckling down and doing what we need to do to get through this, they cause trouble for all of us.

PitMix Dec 19, 2020 06:43 PM
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Yes, we have been so insulated from actual wars, since our civil one, we really don't know what it is like for refugees and people escaping bombings. Plus fewer people in Europe think that their guvmint is out to take their guns, because the right to gun ownership is not enshrined in their constitutions. They have their own problems, but their problems are not our problems.

Shame Dec 19, 2020 07:15 AM
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I know plenty of people in Europe that are resisting.

a-1608353457 Dec 18, 2020 08:50 PM
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8:38 PM - That response was to 6:22 PM.

Thomas John Dec 18, 2020 08:38 PM
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Are you replying to Andrea? That seems like an odd response if you are.

a-1608345887 Dec 18, 2020 06:44 PM
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Most countries won't let us in, because our response to the pandemic has been so pathetic. Driven, of course, by people with attitudes like yours.

chico berkeley Dec 18, 2020 06:22 PM
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Move to Europe please.
Heck,I will buy 10 people like a one way ticket to ANY other country.

Thomas John Dec 18, 2020 04:50 PM
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I recall the 2-3 million deaths being an early worst case for the entire USA.

Andrea Smith Dec 18, 2020 04:32 PM
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Not to mention these open gyms have zero respect for our medical workers who are overstretched and exhausted and risking their own lives during all this. Many of them feel that people who do this just do not care and they don't even want to work in that field anymore. Then what? Just so selfish. This pandemic has really brought out the best and worst in people.

Shame Dec 19, 2020 07:11 AM
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You do realize strip clubs and casinos are open? I would worry more about those business. I work at a retail store. We have many people coming in everyday. All wear masks. Some not properly we are use precautions. Not one of our 30 employees have been sick. We can not loose our country and the freedoms to feed out families. It’s not possible for government to care for everyone and keep our country from heading in the direction of my homeland which I fled many years ago. Think hard what is happening please.

chico berkeley Dec 18, 2020 06:05 PM
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If you think "working out" is a health problem I have a truck load of cigarettes for your stay at home health.
Per 1970's health advice from the Government.
Sorry if you were not around then to understand the gist.

a-1608340018 Dec 18, 2020 05:06 PM
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@Baby, free membership for what??? They are not providing an essential service. Gyms are not a necessity. You can go on a run, do push ups and sit ups. You don't NEED a gym. This is 100% selfish on the part of the owners by staying open.

Babycakes Dec 18, 2020 05:03 PM
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Andrea: That is not true that they do not care. Several of the local gym owners and many other across the country are offering free membership and/or access to their facilities. So, I don't think it's fair to say that they do not care. Of course they care (a LOT).

oops Dec 18, 2020 04:24 PM
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Thank goodness they are open. I have been going everyday, they are safe. It's ok, people are not falling dead down in the gym

GeneralTree Dec 18, 2020 04:05 PM
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Yes gyms are open. I'm pleased and happy to repeat the news that we have, in fact, caught and killed a large predator that supposedly injured some bathers. But, as you see, it's a beautiful day, the beaches are open and people are having a wonderful time.

ChemicalSuperFreak Dec 18, 2020 06:33 PM
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Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu to you ladies of Spain.

letmego Dec 18, 2020 03:05 PM
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Per the Public health department press release on 12/5/2020 about the regional stay at home order, indoor operation of gyms is prohibited. Per a friend of mine via zoom, most of the gyms are banding together to ignore it.

And...this is why my kids will never be able to go back to school...

dukemunson Dec 21, 2020 01:11 PM
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Yep...exactly why some of us were bemoaning the insanity of not applying for the waiver! The school board punted any/all responsibility and care...and now here we are!! Crazy that we stuck with the ignore science stay closed incumbants.

dukemunson Dec 21, 2020 01:08 PM
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BigUglyStick - We just elected (and reelected) a whole bunch of school board members who don't care about our kids...so...we're screwed any and every way!!!

letmego Dec 21, 2020 11:13 AM
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Duke, actually, my kids will "never" go back to school because we aren't eligible to apply for a waiver for elementary, and waivers aren't granted for secondary school in the purple tier. SB Unified was all set to reopen in January. I suspect that had they known we'd go into the purple tier (and so badly!) they would have opened in November. I know exactly ONE teacher who really loves zoom school and thinks it's working well. The rest of them are doing their best but really would prefer being back in the classroom.

biguglystick Dec 21, 2020 10:08 AM
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Well, Duke, thankfully Betsy DeVos will be OUTTA there and maybe we can finally clean up our school system and elect people who actually care about kids.

dukemunson Dec 18, 2020 03:16 PM
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Actually our kids will "never" go back to school because the school board is beholden to the teachers union...and they truly don't care about our kids best interest. According to Public Health, not only is it safe for kids to be in school...it's safer!

So to recap, we've closed schools which has tangibly made the world a worse, less intelligent AND less safe place! The trifecta! Great work school board/insane teachers Union...thanks!

a-1608329297 Dec 18, 2020 02:08 PM
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Everyone should make note of businesses that do not value the health of the community, and never patronize them again.

biguglystick Dec 21, 2020 09:57 AM
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Agreed! Whenever I see businesses and people flagrantly defying orders to keep us safe, it makes me angry and sick. At this rate we will just keep cycling into high death rates and lockdowns ad nauseum.

a-1608342153 Dec 18, 2020 05:42 PM
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Can someone start a list? I can get behind this cause. These businesses deserve to fail.

a-1608328012 Dec 18, 2020 01:46 PM
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Some people may have "heard" immunity. The trumper has "herd mentality". Epidemiologists refer to herd immunity.
Reaching herd immunity with a virus this deadly in the absence of a vaccine means accepting lots of death and permanent disability, so it's not done that way, if at all possible, in a society where the lives and health of the general population matter.
Fact-checking the herd immunity strategy: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/paul-misleads-on-natural-infection-and-covid-19-vaccines/

biguglystick Dec 21, 2020 09:56 AM
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VOICE, once again, you callously dismiss the hundreds of thousands of lives that have been lost due to Covid. Yes, "this deadly". Get a grip. Your comments are often so foul. Nothing reasonable about them.

a-1608328985 Dec 18, 2020 02:03 PM
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People who are bad at math, economics, medicine, and facing reality are here advocating for opening up. They want to devastate both the health of the populace and the economy of the country in the long run, in favor of short term profit. But, not looking at the long term is a cherished hallmark of American business.

Voice of Reason Dec 18, 2020 01:49 PM
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This deadly? OMG people are horrible at math...

Support Small B... Dec 18, 2020 01:43 PM
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Yep! We have to allow our community to get cases in order to develop heard immunity. I believe that it is best to look at the ICU numbers, but Santa Barbara and SLO should be put in a new category that is apart from la and San Diego.

a-1608326955 Dec 18, 2020 01:29 PM
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Whoa, looks like all the gym owners in Santa Barbara read edhat. Personally I feel more comfortable staying far away from the sweaty guys who never clean the equipment and pace in front of the mirror staring at themselves. It's not sanitary, it IS a health risk. People in Target are not sweating, spitting, and grunting next to me in line.

Gtownie Dec 18, 2020 09:27 PM
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1:29 - you should actually spend time in a gym before you opine on what occurs there.

Shmonk Dec 18, 2020 04:44 PM
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You very clearly don't go to the gym. No need for you to worry lol

a-1608326939 Dec 18, 2020 01:28 PM
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Open up, deaths increase. Close down, deaths decrease. Open up, deaths go up. Close down, deaths go down.

How many times must this cycle repeat before we start behaving rationally?

Open businesses in defiance of the health order should have their owners prosecuted for assault.

Voice of Reason Dec 18, 2020 03:05 PM
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Incorrect Sac but let's hold here real quick. At least we can agree that per multiple judges the state and county governments have overstepped it's authorizations, i.e. broken the law. It is ENTIRELY 100% NOT OKAY for the government to buck the law and we should be screaming from the rooftops in opposition to that. Now answer me this, if the scientist and doctors at our state and county health departments had evidence there was relation, why didn't they show it? Scientist and doctors wouldn't just say something without proof right? You're ignoring what California Health & Human Services Agency Secretary, Mark Ghaly said, that these restrictions aren't about the relative safely of the activities but about forcing people to stay in their homes. The head doctor/scientist in the state is even saying that there IS NOT a relation.

dukemunson Dec 18, 2020 02:45 PM
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As per Public Health, schools should be open. You have opposed that (and by extension science) multiple times on this forum. I know this has nothing to do with the gyms, but careful quoting "alternate facts" when you have personally used them multiple times in saying schools should be closed.

sacjon Dec 18, 2020 02:38 PM
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VOR - stop citing judges' decisions as matters of science. Judges determine the law, based on facts, not the science. Why do you ignore all the scientists and doctors saying there IS a relation? The judges only determine whether an action (lock down) based on the facts was legal or not. It's ENTIRELY, 100% not a judgment on science, just the law. The law can say it was an overstep, but that's not at all based on the science. If an action violates a law, which some of this may, it is not the same as saying it's not warranted from a medical/scientific basis.

Again, these decisions are not saying there's no evidence that the spread is affected or not by closing businesses, ONLY that the decision oversteps the law. It's a nuance, but I think you understand.

macpuzl Dec 18, 2020 01:55 PM
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1:52 PM - Only in the alternate facts universe do deaths not track opening up.

Andrea Smith Dec 18, 2020 01:13 PM
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If I catch COVID from someone who went to an indoor gym I'm not only suing them personally but also the gym owner. Guaranteed.

Andrea Smith Dec 18, 2020 01:31 PM
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SUPPORT SMALL they can mount their defense in court. I don't think it's going to bode well when they come to court with unclean hands from opening up and those who are going against mandates.

Support Small B... Dec 18, 2020 01:27 PM
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Wearing a mask 6 feet away from someone and constantly sanitizing everything you use sounds fine to me. Once again, it’s your life. Choose how you live it.

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