11:47pm - darn it, you're right. Something about VOICE just gets me going I guess. Either way, it's been proven he lied now so really nothing more for me to say.
Jon, in a thankfully deleted bunch of comments on June 14 re: covid, you said something about not engaging. I said I'd hold you to it. I'm just saying. I looked for the comment but think we got totally deleted.
Let's all go for a walk and touch even more grass!
Lol, good for you! OK, so voice only has to still account for everyone else. By the way BASIC, I own the first Tesla ever made (with solid gold rims) and have my own pet lion that I ride around in John Wayne's saddle from True Grit. It sure is fun to say things on the internet!
I’m not right wing and I didn’t vote for trump, and I am pro choice too, but why the F- Sacjon are you so clueless that if someone’s point differs from yours you have to spend all day trying to snuff them out? I thought you liked free speech. I do.
Alex - that's exactly what he IS saying - "These days the hate it (sic) only coming from one side, the other half learned how to live and let live." July 4 9:59am
Bro, of you're saying that there's only hate on one side of the political spectrum in this Country then you are so far removed from reality as to be irredeemable.
BASIC - I don't really care who you voted for, nor am I trying to "snuff out" a point of view. I'm only saying that the constant posts about how ONLY the liberals here (and in general) are spewing hate and/or insults. That's just not true. It's not an "opinion," it's an intentionally false statement presented as fact. Now, are you seriously going to sit there and tell us all you're a democrat? If so, my bad and I withdraw your name from the list of conservative posters that prove VOICE wrong on a daily basis.
This is great
Mock me about gestational limits?
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-05-09/how-u-s-abortion-laws-compare-to-other-countries
Click on the blue countries. Center for Reproductive Rights defines Abortion rights by gestational period.
Generally speaking, if you are pro abortion rights, you want the gestation week limit to be higher, not lower. ie: 12 week and the government has questions is 2X more restrictive than 24 weeks and the government has questions.
The courts in the US have held that 12 weeks is not enough time for some women to figure out they are pregnant and the Supreme Court did not change that so I expect most US states to legislate abortion rights into a range similar to the rest of the first world as outlined in the linked map
Ummm there is no Federal Ban on Abortion in the USA.
Yes I actually did include a link to a map that is now outdated for the USA but that was not the point of my linking the map. The link to the map was intended to illustrate that most so called first world countries have restrictions on abortion rights. I picked it because I thought if it had colors it might be easier for you and am pleased that is true.
Somehow it seems you did not click on the individual countries other than the US, because if you were to have done that you would see the underlying information on the new map is word for word the same as the old map. Please note the only significant difference in the map you linked is that the USA is now purple rather than blue..
Previous verbiage when you click on USA on older map:
USA Category: "On Request Law does not indicate gestational limit; regulatory mechanisms vary"
Curerent Verbiage from your (same) map with a new color:
USA Category" "On Request. Gestational limits vary. Federal system. Law varies at state level
Those are two ways of saying the same thing.
1. There was no federal law before, there is no federal law now
2. The were no federal limits on gestation before, there are none now
3. The 50 states all had varying regulatory rules before, they all do now.
4. The 50 states all had varying limits, or none at all on gestation. They all do now.
But since I was trying to compare "first world countries" with the US.....
Lets take China. It has very progressive abortion rules. If you are a Uighur woman you get an abortion by an ethnic Chinese practicioner in Xingjiang province whether you want one or not. Utopia!
ENDEY - we're ALL mocking you now for saying "USA No Federal Ban" and "our freedom... even for abortion, exceeds that of most developed first world nations."
"I even included a link to a map from the Center of Reproductive Rights... hardly a right wing enterprise." - No, you didn't. You included a link to the outdated article with a pre-overturn map.
Here's the link to the actual map: https://reproductiverights.org/maps/worlds-abortion-laws/
Sacjon
Please look at the map at this link and tell me more about those first world nations?
The map is for the Center for Reproductive rights
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-05-09/how-u-s-abortion-laws-compare-to-other-countries
Canada On request but regulation varies by territory
USA No Federal Ban, States vary from 0-9 months pending legislation
Mexico Varies by State
China Varies by region
Look at their gestational limits. Most first world countries put some restrictions on abortion 12-18 weeks after gestation
Mississippi had restrictions after 15 months. CA currently is at 24 months which is less restrictive than any countries other than Japan, Great Britain, Finland, India which have no limits at all which is similar to VT, CO and Alaska
EDNEY - and further, to counter your "point," the article you posted was written before the overturn so the USA's status is not correct. In fact, look at the actual headline of the article.... "The U.S. Is Poised to Be a Global Outlier on Abortion"
Further, the map you keep boasting about on this source from our "own side" is outdated. Take a look at it now: https://reproductiverights.org/maps/worlds-abortion-laws/?category[1352]=1352
America is now "PA" - "Prohibited Altogether." No other "First World" country shares that status.
So, your self congratulation and excitement that you "got me" or whatever you're boasting about, is WRONG and based on MISINFORMATION. Nice try though!
EDNEY and BASIC - how many Jon's do you know that are women? Seriously. Referring to a man as a "she" or "girl" when it's clear they are not is really pathetic and childish. Grow up guys.
sacjon was the one talking about first world countries, abortion and gestational liimits.
I was just pointing out that she had gestational limits all twisted around. Almost all developed countries have some limits on abortions past 12-18 weeks after gestation with the exception of those I noted.
I'm not sure why people can't celebrate that our freedom... even for abortion, exceeds that of most developed first world nations. I even included a link to a map from the Center of Reproductive Rights... hardly a right wing enterprise.
Left wing people here say some ignorant crap and then mock the facts from intelligent sources from their own side.
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BASIC - the more you kinda bitch and moan about my question, the more I'm starting to think you're really NOT as pro-choice OR pro-speech as you might think you are. I mean, asking for a cartoonist to stop being published is not super pro-free speech, so......
Once again your lack of understanding has led you astray. You seem to think hating on fascists, zealots, liars and and a holes is a bad thing... It is not. Good people hate those things.
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The feelings that you one is a victim are a result of their misguided understanding of life, people, as well as a general lack of empathy and social intelligence. Mix this with a lower than average IQ and you get: A whiney, self-created victim, who is desperate for validation and attention. (persecution fetish). Sound familiar? It is very familiar for those of us who have read your posts.
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We are truly sorry your mom didn't hug you enough but at this age, you should take some personal responsibility and solve these deep psychological issues yourself. Go ahead and pick yourself up by the bootstraps and do the work. Pay the experts, learn from your mistake, have some courage and be a man.
Here are the "full sentences" you keep whining about. Now, tell us how these aren't INTENTIONALLY FALSE STATEMENTS.
"In reading comments on EdHat I only see hate coming from one side."
"These days the hate it only coming from one side, the other half learned how to live and let live."
"While the extremes on the right certainly have their hate, hate and intolerance has taken over the left.it’s even evident on EdHat, the lefty commentators who constantly spew hate, condescension and insults here but it’s never reciprocated but the more conservative posters."
There you go. You're entire comments. We're all waiting to see how you explain these are true and NOT intentionally false statements.
It's really your last chance to redeem yourself. You've been proven to be lying over and over again, yet you say I don't understand the word. Explain it or accept that you've be outed.
VOICE - haha nice try, but adding that changes nothing. My whole argument is that you lied and said you ONLY see hate from the left here.
The whole point of my DIRECT QUOTES of you is to show you how many times you said there is "ONLY" hate from the left here and "NEVER" from the conservative posters.
Keep trying to downplay it, but you LIED, not twice, but THRICE!
If you are going to quote me, quote me in full, don’t cut out half a sentence to suite your argument: “In reading comments on EdHat I only see hate coming from one side.”
"I only see hate coming from one side." - VOICE JUL 05, 2022 03:08 PM
"These days the hate it [sic] only coming from one side," - VOICE JUL 04, 2022 09:59 AM
" the lefty commentators who constantly spew hate, condescension and insults here but it’s never reciprocated but [sic] the more conservative posters." - VOICE (playing possum) JUL 04, 2022 04:32 PM
VOICE - Oh I never said there's no hate coming from my side, never said that once, not at all, never. BUT.... YOU said there is absolutely ZERO hate on your side. That is what I've called you a liar (once again) for saying. You know it, we all know it.
You’re not being honest with yourself if you don’t see the hate coming from a few of the regular posters here. It’s still hate even if you agree with it.
BASIC - It was not a "statement," it was a question asking whether you were anti-choice or anti-speech. Maybe it came off testy, but I honestly wanted to know why you would suggest ending these cartoons and the social commentary they provide. Again, glad to hear you are pro-choice and pro-speech.
BASIC - What am I "off" on? I never said you were either, just wondering why you wanted to stop these cartoons. That's great that you are those things you say. I'm glad you support women's right to choose what to do with their own bodies!
If the majority in your state vote to elect someone who takes away their right to choose, then those who didn't vote for that person had NO CHOICE in the matter. Simple, brainless, easy logic. Why is that such a difficult concept to understand?
For example, this is a lie: “ allowed the States to completely ban and outlaw womens' right to choose what happens with their own body.” the States don’t get to decide anything, the people decide by voting for legislators they support, who draft and vote on legislation for the State. Just like SCOTUS didn’t ban abortion, but put it back on legislators (who are elected by the people) at both the state and federal level, to do their job and actually pass abortion rights legislation the people want. Why is that such a difficult concept to understand?
BASIC - I get it, but this is something that SHOULD be argued about and commented on. The Supreme Court of our country (the one we all refer to as "land of the free" and the "greatest nation on earth" etc etc) has just allowed the States to completely ban and outlaw womens' right to choose what happens with their own body. This SHOULD cause outrage. We can't just hide our heads in the sand and pretend it's hunky dory, especially if you're a woman in TX, OK, SD, LA, KY or LGBQT in any of those states plus Florida. Not all Americans are "free" anymore. It's time to stand and demand action.
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Jul 07, 2022 03:05 PMI am a registered democrat, now let it go.
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Jul 08, 2022 09:10 AM11:47pm - darn it, you're right. Something about VOICE just gets me going I guess. Either way, it's been proven he lied now so really nothing more for me to say.
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Jul 07, 2022 11:47 PMJon, in a thankfully deleted bunch of comments on June 14 re: covid, you said something about not engaging. I said I'd hold you to it. I'm just saying. I looked for the comment but think we got totally deleted.
Let's all go for a walk and touch even more grass!
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Jul 07, 2022 03:25 PMLol, good for you! OK, so voice only has to still account for everyone else. By the way BASIC, I own the first Tesla ever made (with solid gold rims) and have my own pet lion that I ride around in John Wayne's saddle from True Grit. It sure is fun to say things on the internet!
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Jul 07, 2022 12:08 PMI’m not right wing and I didn’t vote for trump, and I am pro choice too, but why the F- Sacjon are you so clueless that if someone’s point differs from yours you have to spend all day trying to snuff them out? I thought you liked free speech. I do.
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Jul 07, 2022 10:12 PMAlex - that's exactly what he IS saying - "These days the hate it (sic) only coming from one side, the other half learned how to live and let live." July 4 9:59am
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Jul 07, 2022 09:48 PMBro, of you're saying that there's only hate on one side of the political spectrum in this Country then you are so far removed from reality as to be irredeemable.
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Jul 07, 2022 01:46 PM" trying to snuff them out"
"Can these cartoons."
Hypocrisy is a hallmark characteristic of the right wing (and yes, you are).
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Jul 07, 2022 12:22 PMBASIC - I don't really care who you voted for, nor am I trying to "snuff out" a point of view. I'm only saying that the constant posts about how ONLY the liberals here (and in general) are spewing hate and/or insults. That's just not true. It's not an "opinion," it's an intentionally false statement presented as fact. Now, are you seriously going to sit there and tell us all you're a democrat? If so, my bad and I withdraw your name from the list of conservative posters that prove VOICE wrong on a daily basis.
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Jul 07, 2022 12:10 AMThis is great
Mock me about gestational limits?
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-05-09/how-u-s-abortion-laws-compare-to-other-countries
Click on the blue countries. Center for Reproductive Rights defines Abortion rights by gestational period.
Generally speaking, if you are pro abortion rights, you want the gestation week limit to be higher, not lower. ie: 12 week and the government has questions is 2X more restrictive than 24 weeks and the government has questions.
The courts in the US have held that 12 weeks is not enough time for some women to figure out they are pregnant and the Supreme Court did not change that so I expect most US states to legislate abortion rights into a range similar to the rest of the first world as outlined in the linked map
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Jul 07, 2022 11:04 PMUmmm there is no Federal Ban on Abortion in the USA.
Yes I actually did include a link to a map that is now outdated for the USA but that was not the point of my linking the map. The link to the map was intended to illustrate that most so called first world countries have restrictions on abortion rights. I picked it because I thought if it had colors it might be easier for you and am pleased that is true.
Somehow it seems you did not click on the individual countries other than the US, because if you were to have done that you would see the underlying information on the new map is word for word the same as the old map. Please note the only significant difference in the map you linked is that the USA is now purple rather than blue..
Previous verbiage when you click on USA on older map:
USA Category: "On Request Law does not indicate gestational limit; regulatory mechanisms vary"
Curerent Verbiage from your (same) map with a new color:
USA Category" "On Request. Gestational limits vary. Federal system. Law varies at state level
Those are two ways of saying the same thing.
1. There was no federal law before, there is no federal law now
2. The were no federal limits on gestation before, there are none now
3. The 50 states all had varying regulatory rules before, they all do now.
4. The 50 states all had varying limits, or none at all on gestation. They all do now.
But since I was trying to compare "first world countries" with the US.....
Lets take China. It has very progressive abortion rules. If you are a Uighur woman you get an abortion by an ethnic Chinese practicioner in Xingjiang province whether you want one or not. Utopia!
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Jul 07, 2022 01:01 PMDid something new develop? I wasn’t aware there is a federal abortion ban. This is shocking and horrible!
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Jul 07, 2022 12:33 PM1210 - Still haven't figured it out, eh?
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Jul 07, 2022 10:08 AMENDEY - we're ALL mocking you now for saying "USA No Federal Ban" and "our freedom... even for abortion, exceeds that of most developed first world nations."
"I even included a link to a map from the Center of Reproductive Rights... hardly a right wing enterprise." - No, you didn't. You included a link to the outdated article with a pre-overturn map.
Here's the link to the actual map: https://reproductiverights.org/maps/worlds-abortion-laws/
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Jul 06, 2022 06:34 PMI'm not against free speech, just don't like humorless cartoons
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Jul 06, 2022 05:11 PMSacjon
Please look at the map at this link and tell me more about those first world nations?
The map is for the Center for Reproductive rights
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-05-09/how-u-s-abortion-laws-compare-to-other-countries
Canada On request but regulation varies by territory
USA No Federal Ban, States vary from 0-9 months pending legislation
Mexico Varies by State
China Varies by region
Look at their gestational limits. Most first world countries put some restrictions on abortion 12-18 weeks after gestation
Mississippi had restrictions after 15 months. CA currently is at 24 months which is less restrictive than any countries other than Japan, Great Britain, Finland, India which have no limits at all which is similar to VT, CO and Alaska
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Jul 07, 2022 10:05 AMEDNEY - and further, to counter your "point," the article you posted was written before the overturn so the USA's status is not correct. In fact, look at the actual headline of the article.... "The U.S. Is Poised to Be a Global Outlier on Abortion"
Further, the map you keep boasting about on this source from our "own side" is outdated. Take a look at it now: https://reproductiverights.org/maps/worlds-abortion-laws/?category[1352]=1352
America is now "PA" - "Prohibited Altogether." No other "First World" country shares that status.
So, your self congratulation and excitement that you "got me" or whatever you're boasting about, is WRONG and based on MISINFORMATION. Nice try though!
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Jul 07, 2022 09:54 AMEDNEY and BASIC - how many Jon's do you know that are women? Seriously. Referring to a man as a "she" or "girl" when it's clear they are not is really pathetic and childish. Grow up guys.
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Jul 06, 2022 11:55 PMsacjon was the one talking about first world countries, abortion and gestational liimits.
I was just pointing out that she had gestational limits all twisted around. Almost all developed countries have some limits on abortions past 12-18 weeks after gestation with the exception of those I noted.
I'm not sure why people can't celebrate that our freedom... even for abortion, exceeds that of most developed first world nations. I even included a link to a map from the Center of Reproductive Rights... hardly a right wing enterprise.
Left wing people here say some ignorant crap and then mock the facts from intelligent sources from their own side.
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Jul 06, 2022 09:33 PMI believe this is/was in reference to the Cartoon:
"July 4th Cartoon "
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Jul 06, 2022 08:55 PM5:11 - Wow! What are those 15 and 24 month gestation limits for? Blue whales? You're obviously a meticulous gatherer of statistics!
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Jul 05, 2022 06:22 PMApparently.
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Jul 05, 2022 06:28 PMBASIC - the more you kinda bitch and moan about my question, the more I'm starting to think you're really NOT as pro-choice OR pro-speech as you might think you are. I mean, asking for a cartoonist to stop being published is not super pro-free speech, so......
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Jul 05, 2022 06:20 PMSomeone needs to start Edhate.com. It would be popular.
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Jul 07, 2022 08:11 AMOnce again your lack of understanding has led you astray. You seem to think hating on fascists, zealots, liars and and a holes is a bad thing... It is not. Good people hate those things.
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We are truly sorry your mom didn't hug you enough but at this age, you should take some personal responsibility and solve these deep psychological issues yourself. Go ahead and pick yourself up by the bootstraps and do the work. Pay the experts, learn from your mistake, have some courage and be a man.
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Jul 06, 2022 11:57 PMFernald It is already popular by a different name
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Jul 06, 2022 04:43 PMHere are the "full sentences" you keep whining about. Now, tell us how these aren't INTENTIONALLY FALSE STATEMENTS.
"In reading comments on EdHat I only see hate coming from one side."
"These days the hate it only coming from one side, the other half learned how to live and let live."
"While the extremes on the right certainly have their hate, hate and intolerance has taken over the left.it’s even evident on EdHat, the lefty commentators who constantly spew hate, condescension and insults here but it’s never reciprocated but the more conservative posters."
There you go. You're entire comments. We're all waiting to see how you explain these are true and NOT intentionally false statements.
It's really your last chance to redeem yourself. You've been proven to be lying over and over again, yet you say I don't understand the word. Explain it or accept that you've be outed.
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Jul 06, 2022 03:30 PMI don’t think you know what “lied” means and cutting off half a sentence certainly changes its meaning.
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Jul 06, 2022 11:58 AMVOICE - haha nice try, but adding that changes nothing. My whole argument is that you lied and said you ONLY see hate from the left here.
The whole point of my DIRECT QUOTES of you is to show you how many times you said there is "ONLY" hate from the left here and "NEVER" from the conservative posters.
Keep trying to downplay it, but you LIED, not twice, but THRICE!
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Jul 06, 2022 11:30 AMIf you are going to quote me, quote me in full, don’t cut out half a sentence to suite your argument: “In reading comments on EdHat I only see hate coming from one side.”
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Jul 06, 2022 10:07 AM"I only see hate coming from one side." - VOICE JUL 05, 2022 03:08 PM
"These days the hate it [sic] only coming from one side," - VOICE JUL 04, 2022 09:59 AM
" the lefty commentators who constantly spew hate, condescension and insults here but it’s never reciprocated but [sic] the more conservative posters." - VOICE (playing possum) JUL 04, 2022 04:32 PM
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Jul 06, 2022 09:55 AMVOICE - Oh I never said there's no hate coming from my side, never said that once, not at all, never. BUT.... YOU said there is absolutely ZERO hate on your side. That is what I've called you a liar (once again) for saying. You know it, we all know it.
You really struggle with absolutes. Work on it.
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Jul 06, 2022 09:23 AMYou’re not being honest with yourself if you don’t see the hate coming from a few of the regular posters here. It’s still hate even if you agree with it.
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Jul 05, 2022 06:30 PMmy bad - *extremist comment," not "extremists"
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Jul 05, 2022 06:25 PMFERNALD - yep, be a lot of commenters here from both sides on there. Funny how some here consider challenging an extremists comment as "hate."
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Jul 05, 2022 05:55 PMYou asked.
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Jul 05, 2022 05:55 PMYou’re off on your statement: “which is it: Truth hurts or you’re anti-First amendment now?”.
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Jul 05, 2022 06:05 PMBASIC - It was not a "statement," it was a question asking whether you were anti-choice or anti-speech. Maybe it came off testy, but I honestly wanted to know why you would suggest ending these cartoons and the social commentary they provide. Again, glad to hear you are pro-choice and pro-speech.
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Jul 05, 2022 05:38 PMAnd sacjon to answer your question, it’s NEITHER - you’re way off. I’m pro choice and pro free speech.
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Jul 05, 2022 05:42 PMBASIC - What am I "off" on? I never said you were either, just wondering why you wanted to stop these cartoons. That's great that you are those things you say. I'm glad you support women's right to choose what to do with their own bodies!
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Jul 05, 2022 02:46 PMCan these cartoons.
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Jul 06, 2022 06:54 PMIf the majority in your state vote to elect someone who takes away their right to choose, then those who didn't vote for that person had NO CHOICE in the matter. Simple, brainless, easy logic. Why is that such a difficult concept to understand?
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Jul 06, 2022 03:37 PMFor example, this is a lie: “ allowed the States to completely ban and outlaw womens' right to choose what happens with their own body.” the States don’t get to decide anything, the people decide by voting for legislators they support, who draft and vote on legislation for the State. Just like SCOTUS didn’t ban abortion, but put it back on legislators (who are elected by the people) at both the state and federal level, to do their job and actually pass abortion rights legislation the people want. Why is that such a difficult concept to understand?
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Jul 06, 2022 02:18 PMThat's a lie.
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Jul 06, 2022 09:53 AMVOICE - name one "hateful" thing that was said to Basic.
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Jul 06, 2022 09:24 AMMore hate and projection.
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Jul 05, 2022 09:46 PM"Can these cartoons." "I'm for free speech." "You're way off"
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Jul 05, 2022 04:19 PMSuch hypocrisy. There would be less of what you're complaining about if you stopped posting.
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Jul 05, 2022 03:09 PMIt's both.
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Jul 05, 2022 03:04 PMBASIC - I get it, but this is something that SHOULD be argued about and commented on. The Supreme Court of our country (the one we all refer to as "land of the free" and the "greatest nation on earth" etc etc) has just allowed the States to completely ban and outlaw womens' right to choose what happens with their own body. This SHOULD cause outrage. We can't just hide our heads in the sand and pretend it's hunky dory, especially if you're a woman in TX, OK, SD, LA, KY or LGBQT in any of those states plus Florida. Not all Americans are "free" anymore. It's time to stand and demand action.
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