Summer Holiday

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By John Wiley

Hoping to avoid fires and storms, we ended up dodging both on our Summer holiday flight to Calgary. The day we flew from Renton to Calgary was like the prior two from Santa Barbara, as we started South to climb through clouds. East of the Cascades the clouds and smoke thinned enough to enjoy prairie sights.

We had to take an ESE route through the Rockies, where snow lingered near fire and rain. We landed in Missoula to rest and feed our bird, and noticed Neptune firefighting planes that may have helped with the Thomas Fire. More prairie sights followed, as we cleared the Rockies and finally turned North. At last reaching Okotoks we met up with a dear pilot friend we met in SB who moved his 
family to Boston, and climbed on the erratics there.

We celebrated 7/4 with our daughter and delightful granddaughter, who makes even a simple shopping trip into a family holiday.

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a-1542254385 Jul 16, 2018 01:19 PM
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John & Shasta Guy, my technical nerd friends, see air ops, mapping, on Ferguson Fire: https://twitter.com/ai6yrham?lang=en

Ducky Jul 15, 2018 04:00 PM
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Beautiful pics-thank you for sharing.

a-1542254385 Jul 15, 2018 07:08 AM
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Stored water (pool, hot tub, barrels, jugs, buckets, horse troughs, wash barrels) placed around yard has the effect of slowing embers/ground wildfire that impact your yard/house/deck. Ocean water storage. Ideas, google: horse trough.

a-1542254385 Jul 14, 2018 04:26 PM
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John if you have anyone in your neighborhood with a pool, maybe you could link up. A pool is equivalent to 50 fire trucks full of water. Water, gel, foam nozzles. https://www.jjsfiresupply.com/

a-1542254385 Jul 14, 2018 03:50 PM
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Aluminum foil on inside of windows, shiny side facing outside. Keeps out heat. Might deflect embers?

a-1542254385 Jul 14, 2018 03:33 PM
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RED CREEK, thank you for the reminder to take the drapes/curtains down if embers are coming. I was told that once at a fire safety meeting, and completely forgot about it. I guess it's a good thing to do even if you are going to evacuate. Might save your home.

Red Creek Jul 14, 2018 03:08 PM
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Crisp interesting photos. Thank you. Re : John's question: "Something I've wondered about, is whether there's an inexpensive fabric I could unfurl over the wind-facing side of our place during a fire." My house in Sycamore Canyon was saved in 1976 by taking down all the living room drapes, draping them over on the windy (down canyon) side of the flat rock roof and then soaking with a garden house. Fabric was probably fiber glass or cotton in those days, it was before we lived there, but it was the first house not to burn in the lower canyon (1420) and is still there today.

a-1542254385 Jul 14, 2018 03:03 PM
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Get cotton mop with the long strings. Wet it (can use water from bucket, pool, hot tub, kiddie pool) and bash the embers with the mop. Store sand, dirt, and throw shovels full on embers. Tools: mop, shovel.

a-1542254385 Jul 14, 2018 02:56 PM
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John you might get an answer. "PAINTED CAVE COMMUNITY FIRE PREPARATION MEETING. 2:00 p.m. Sunday, July 15. San Marcos Pass USFS Fire Station 41(located at East Camino Cielo and Highway 154). Open to all interested mountain residents." One of the topics: "When the fire comes".

a-1542254385 Jul 14, 2018 02:50 PM
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I've googled storage water tanks for fighting wildfire that reaches your home. There are all kinds of tanks, including the barrels at OSH for "saved" rainwater. The stored water could be salt water from ocean. Embers are major problem. If you go out to fight the embers, make sure your skin is covered, cotton shirt and long pants, goggles, face mask, gloves, heavy work boots.

a-1542254385 Jul 14, 2018 01:50 PM
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Twitter today from National Weather Service in Los Angeles. NWS Los Angeles.Verified account @NWSLosAngeles. "It will be warm next week, then turning hotter starting next weekend and beyond." John, do you have a swimming pool? I've been reading about ways to turn a swimming pool into a fire truck. Pumps and hose that sprays water on wildfire.

John Wiley Jul 15, 2018 07:50 PM
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We had 7 queen palms planted on our small lot by the previous owner. One was too close to the house, so we hired casual labor to help me cut it down when first moving in. Then some years later one was too close to another part of the house and got big enough to concern me, so we hired a tree guy to down it and another one on his own time. Cost a fortune by the end, because he hired helpers and expected us to pay for them and the disposal fee even after drying cut pieces for a year was $hundreds. Turns out the county yard won't accept palms because their shredder can't handle them. I think it was two years ago we had all but one of the remaining ones cut because they were all getting big and we now knew bigger = more $$ to cut. We kept one because we and neighbors thought of them as part of the area. Last year we went for it and cut the last one, with barely a whimper from neighbors and no regrets for us. We're happy with the low skyline and freedom from dead fronds and massive seed pods in danger of causing injury or damage. As to by whom, the last few were done by Beaver Tree and we couldn't be happier with their work and prices (which included disposal and stump removal). Seems to me if anyone objects to removing a "junk" tree like queen palms (read they were prohibited in FL at one point), maybe have them sign assumption of liability for injury and damage? I know if one (or parts) fell on my stuff or loved ones or embers from it burned same, the owner would pay either informally or after the court case. All this said, one of my fav things about SB is that we have so many and such variety of beautiful and healthy well-maintained trees. Problem is I don't have the resources for that, especially with queen palms.

a-1542254385 Jul 15, 2018 05:20 AM
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Sorry for the duplicate. This was in response to John W's post of the 14th at 2:37 p.m.

a-1542254385 Jul 15, 2018 05:15 AM
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How? When? By Whom? Ah, you're in the county. For liability reasons, I want permission, but I'll never get it. Don't want to use an uninsured company though. Any advice, hints or help from anyone?

a-1542254385 Jul 15, 2018 05:17 AM
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You cut down your palms? I'm envious. How? When? By Whom? Ah, you're in the county. For liability reasons, I want permission, but I'll never get it. Don't want to use an uninsured company though. Any advice, hints or help from anyone?

Shasta Guy Jul 14, 2018 03:44 PM
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I'm putting on my materials science hat on for this one. Take a light weight fabric sheet from natural fiber like cotton. Using a 4" wide putty scraper, scrape a layer of silicone onto it. A option would be to put a layer of very thin aluminum foil onto the silicone before it dries. The Al foil would be a good heat reflector, the silicone is resistant to very high temperatures, and natural fibers can withstand much higher temps than synthetics. It may be necessary to put silicone on both sides of the sheet. This obviously is a project, and perhaps it can be tested on a couple square feet of material first. It could be rolled up on a PVC pipe for storage when not needed.

John Wiley Jul 14, 2018 02:41 PM
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Something I've wondered about, is whether there's an inexpensive fabric I could unfurl over the wind-facing side of our place during a fire. Recent research indicates that embers are the biggest problem. Even if the house next door becomes a torch (or those palms), maybe a fiberglass or silicone mesh could stop the embers from reaching fuel? There's that foam treatment, but surely it would be expensive. Some people install sprinkler systems, but that might not be enough and would probably require both stored water and backup power.

John Wiley Jul 14, 2018 02:37 PM
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Alas, no swimming pool or funds for other fire suppression measures. Just keeping vegetation away from our place and wishing everyone else in the neighborhood would do that too. After seeing how palm trees act like fireworks in sundowners, we cut ours down. We've been experimenting with plants that can survive without water and resist fire. Succulents and cacti seem to be the options.

a-1542254385 Jul 14, 2018 01:45 PM
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John, this is from Twitter today: "805 Weather Retweeted.Jason Meshekow, AMS. @realwxforecast. August Temp forecast......Look pretty bleak for Cali and the Southwest. For those who are in Far west, prepare for 8 weeks of severe hot temps and Monsoonal flow!!! Be prepared!"

John Wiley Jul 14, 2018 02:33 PM
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Bummer. :( Thanks tho for the heads up.

John Wiley Jul 14, 2018 12:59 PM
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Forgot to ask: Do any of the fire watch Edhatters recall seeing Neptune #41 working the Thomas Fire? It seemed familiar to me after noticing that one (high wing UK jet, don't recall the model at the moment) parked on the ramp at Missoula.

John Wiley Jul 14, 2018 02:32 PM
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Thanks, Z. It was cool to see their hangar, and also a long in the tooth P2 now out to pasture and parts on the edge of the airport there. It apparently worked here at least once, and I've put links to some info on our blog http://ja4u.net

Z Jul 14, 2018 02:09 PM
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#41 is a BAe-146. Unsure about the Thomas Fire. I believe it was working for a few days on the Whittier/Alamo Fires last July. Neptune Aviation has nine or ten of the type.

John Wiley Jul 14, 2018 12:57 PM
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Yes, got a Sony RX10iv when they first came out, hoping to get video w/o "jello" effect (not much luck so far, but still experimenting with the 10 million settings). That rock is the Okotoks Erratic - named "Big Rock (glacial erratic)" on the interesting wiki page, where you can find out how nature moved it 160 miles. Our grandchild would fit in at Lake Woebegon, being so far above average. ;)

TWOSCOOPS Jul 14, 2018 12:35 PM
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Did you get a new camera? Crisp photos. That striated rock you're standing on is impressive! Cute grandchild.

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