PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

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Source: Air Pollution Control District

With the potential for Public Safety Power Shutoffs (PSPS) during wildfire season, we want to remind Santa Barbara County residents and businesses about Air Pollution Control District (APCD) requirements related to backup diesel generators. Diesel generators require an APCD permit (as mandated by the State) due to the fact that diesel exhaust contains toxic air contaminants and has been linked to cancer and other adverse health effects.

If you’re looking to purchase a diesel generator that’s bigger than you could carry (50 bhp or greater), an APCD permit may be required before you install and operate the generator. Therefore, before you purchase or rent a generator, please contact us at [email protected] so we can help you navigate our requirements.  Please also see these resources for more information about our requirements:

Backup diesel generators aren’t for everyone and alternatives exist. The California Air Resources Board (CARB) has identified backup power options that minimize community-level air pollutant emissions exposure. For more information, see CARB's website: https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/technology-clearinghouse/clearinghouse-tools/next-gen-tools/emergency-backup.

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a-1626820812 Jul 20, 2021 03:40 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

More information about how well Germany is transitioning to green energy, creating jobs and saving money in the long run:

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/germanys-stressed-grid-is-causing-trouble-across-europe

https://slate.com/technology/2021/05/germany-renewable-energy-energiewende-feed-in-tariffs-nuclear.html

PitMix Jul 20, 2021 09:31 AM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Hey, if you can buy a 1200 kwHr deep cycle marine battery for $250, what's to stop you from getting 10 of those and using them as your solar storage unit? Not as cool as a Tesla PowerWall but way cheaper....

PitMix Jul 22, 2021 04:10 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

7:29, just looked at that article. They are not trying to store power from solar. They are trying to provide a backup system for a house for 3 days with 90KwHrs. Far different than a 13.5KwHr PowerWall. A big window AC unit needs 1 Kw and a refrig about 0.25, so I figure I can run my AC and refrigerator for 11 hrs on one powerwall charge.

PitMix Jul 21, 2021 09:31 AM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

7:29, If a Tesla PowerWall is 13.5 KwHR, then 10 or 11 deep cycle marine batteries (specifically designed for sustained steady discharge) should do it. My numbers above are wrong, but 1.2 kwHr x11=13.2 kwhr similar to a powerwall. Cost is $3,000. Since they are in your garage, weight is not an issue. I call it a PitWall.

a-1626834565 Jul 20, 2021 07:29 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

You're going to need more like 40 lead-acid batteries:

https://homeguides.sfgate.com/how-big-of-a-battery-bank-do-you-need-to-run-a-house-13277282.html

bigbrownie Jul 20, 2021 03:17 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Pit, true dat, and my gas line emergency cutoff valve kicks in at around 5.6. If the city gets a 6.0 or more, we're all going to be in deep doo doo (no pun intended).

PitMix Jul 20, 2021 01:20 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Big, you are not exactly off the grid. In an earthquake you will lose your gas connection, right? Hopefully that won't happen and your setup will work the way you want it to.

bigbrownie Jul 20, 2021 09:57 AM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

We went with the Generac that ties into the gas line. Had to jump through hoops during the permitting process with the City of Santa Barbara...took about a year. The decibel level complies with the city ordinance. My neighbors are fine with it, and it will be quieter once the shrubs I planted around it grow a little. Our home has a sewage pump that moves everything that goes down the drain uphill to the city sewer. It's important for that thing to function!

a-1626750823 Jul 19, 2021 08:13 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Some great articles on Germany's green power generation at

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/

When their wind and solar generation exceeds nationwide demand, they actually export power to neighboring countries, because it's cheaper than the power generated in those countries.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-dependence-imported-fossil-fuels

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/10/is-germany-making-too-much-renewable-energy/

Shasta Guy Jul 19, 2021 07:02 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

A question asked in Germany is “What did Germans use to light their homes before candles……electricity”. They were once energy independent, but now it takes French nuclear power and Nordic hydropower to maintain their grid stability due to their transition unreliable, intermittent wind and solar generation. That’s where California is headed if the adults don’t get back in charge soon.

tfourier Jul 20, 2021 02:55 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

So a blog financed by Die Grünen is your "objective" source of information. And a six year old story at that..

Shasta Guy is complete correct. The story as told in the German media is of a ery expensive unmitigated disaster where the only thing keeping the German grid from collapsing on multiple occasions has been very expensive power imports from France and the burning of large amounts of brown coal. Try reading sources like FAZ to keep up with the whole sorry tale.

Although heavily sanitized when translated into English the whole Sozial-ökologische pseudo intellectual cult is the scariest thing I have read in German politics since the good old day of the NSDAP.

Here is a German political joke. There are only two types of Greens: Avocados and Watermelons. One is Green on the outside, Brown on the inside. The other is Green on the outside and Red on the inside.

Anyone with even the slightest familiarity with Germany will understand the joke.

a-1626746872 Jul 19, 2021 07:07 PM
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That's just another myth promulgated by big carbon to throw shade on green energy.

https://energytransition.org/2015/06/germany-reliant-on-foreign-nuclear-power/

monkeyboy Jul 19, 2021 06:38 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Love California. One pseudo government monopoly causing a problem and another government division telling you that you can't solve the problem. I'll be running my generator happily every power event caused by the captive regulators of our energy grid.

Chip of SB Jul 19, 2021 01:12 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

As electrical service becomes increasingly unreliable in the years ahead, I would strongly encourage everyone to make sure their home or business is wired correctly for safe operation with a generator. It’s not as simple as just plugging your house in to a generator. Home power generation is the future for electricity in California, and it’s critical that we make sure our diesel generators are installed professionally in order to safely provide us with reliable electricity. Do it the right way, and don’t cut corners on your installation.

edney Jul 20, 2021 09:26 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Batteries pollute, but since they are made from materials mined in South America, Africa and made in the heavily polluting nation of China, no one cares.
Solar power with a Tesla power wall is a thing owned only by very rich privileged people.
The big solar farms you see out on 138 east of Gorman don't have acres of battery storage

I'm holding out for a molten salt thorium reactor the size of a garden shed that I can bury in the backyard.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/nuclear-technology-abandoned-decades-ago-might-give-us-safer-smaller-reactors

a-1626741440 Jul 19, 2021 05:37 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Chip doesn't realize that the use of batteries also applies to the power companies, and not just smaller batteries in houses. Or, more likely, he's only interested in following the party line on carbon-based energy.

a-1626740890 Jul 19, 2021 05:28 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Fire up that diesel generator at midnight and see how long your neighbors let you live.
If you're still using electricity at such a hoglike level during an outage, you've definitely got the sort of socialization issues that would make you think diesel is fine.

Chip of SB Jul 19, 2021 04:30 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

3:53, What kind of battery did you have in mind? A tesla powerwall can store 13.5 kw-h of electricity. A typical home air conditioning unit would use up that energy in something like 4 hours all by itself. A power wall would cost you on the order of $10-15k to install. A diesel generator can produce close to the amount of electricity stored in a powerwall with 1 gallon of fuel. The Tesla powerwall battery system could get you through a power outage for a few hours, whereas a diesel can last you days on a couple of Jerry cans worth of fuel and you have the option of buying more fuel or storing extra fuel. In addition, a diesel generator is a fraction of the cost of a powerwall to install.

Chip of SB Jul 19, 2021 03:06 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Solar and wind and batteries may be the future, but they have major limitations. If you want to run your ac on a hot night when there is no wind, for example, a generator will be the only option in the future. Once power outages become more common, I think a lot of folks who dont like the idea of a generator now will change their minds and install one.

PitMix Jul 19, 2021 12:43 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Haven't heard of diesel generators except for big installations, that presumably are permitted. Solar panels and a backup battery seem to be the way to go?

yacht rocked Jul 20, 2021 05:24 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Correctamundo, however it was that illegal use of large portable generators that has obviously contributed to APCD's reminder about needing a permit for large generators.

Alexblue Jul 19, 2021 07:48 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

I went with solar plus battery which gives me whole house back up for three days with no constant noise and no stink and no need to refuel. Unfortunately, my neighbors put in a diesel generator and it's loud and smells bad. Oh well.

yacht rocked Jul 19, 2021 12:50 PM
PSPS Events, Diesel Generators, and APCD Rules

Pit, there was this Edhat article from last month that's relevant: https://www.edhat.com/news/cannabis-grower-faces-penalties-for-serious-air-pollution

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