Roe v. Wade Rally at De La Guerra Plaza

CONSERVATIVESB - are you serious? Where do you think the antivaxxers stole (they're an unoriginal bunch) the slogan, "my body, my choice?" Facepalm.

The almighty peanut gallery has spoken

Conservative SB must be a millenial

COAST - is abortion contagious? Does it affect anyone other than the person getting one and the fetus/cluster of cells?

*does it PHYSICALLY affect anyone else, I mean.... of course it's affects others emotionally.

Agree Sac, unless they are a woman who has actually gone through this, the commentary and judgement needs to stop.

You're right SaJon, it's doesn't affect anyone else. Other than the baby of course...

It's a baby if it's born, it's a fetus when its in utero. Fetuses do not have "rights," as they are not being yet. It's up to the mother and her doctor to determine what the best options are. That's constitutional law,

9:29 - exactly, so if it doesn't affect others, other than the mother and the fetus/cluster of cells, then it's not the same as COVID. Therefore, you can say "my body, my choice" about abortion, but the same doesn't ring true for the vax, because, as you indirectly pointed out, not being vaxxed is not just about "my body," it's about EVERYONE else's body too.

"Fetuses don't have rights" is the worst take yet. Why is someone charged with TWO murders when they kill a pregnant person?

CONSERVATIVE - that's only true in some states and it depends on the stage of pregnancy. Nice try though, I'll say that!

....depends on the stage of pregnancy. Finally getting to some of the nuance of the issue. I'd be shocked and outraged if commenters here thought an abortion a day before the due date for non-medical reasons was acceptable for our society, for any society. So somewhere between the due date and back when a single cell first splits into two cells is the line. That is what being discussed in the courts now, and if that line should be determined by the federal government or the state governments.

No one is debating whether a fetus should be aborted the day before delivery, NO ONE. The only people saying this crap is the impeached president and religious wing nuts who don't understand what an abortion really is. If a fetus dies the day before a delivery, it's a miscarriage or stillbirth and its awful and tragic but not an abortion. No doctor has ever or will ever advocate for abortion that close to term. Idiocy all around VOR, geez.

That "line" is exactly what's being debated.

The "line" has already been established. You can get an abortion later than 24 weeks ONLY in rare cases for medical reasons. Conservatively oppressive states are now moving the line, 6 weeks in Texas. As a woman who has been pregnant, you get your genetic screening tests from 20-22 weeks. This tells you if there is anything wrong with the fetus or the likelihood of its survival to term. If there is something awfully wrong, women only have about 2 weeks to make the decision whether to continue the pregnancy or not. Sometimes the dr's offices are booked or slow and the test results come back late making this a very stressful situation.

1:27 I agree. To be more specific, what several states are trying to argue is it's up to the states to determine the "line" not the federal government. Even if the supremum court makes a major change to the precedent (unlikely), it merely goes back to each state and their voters to determine what their state wants.

Even if the supremum court makes a major change to the precedent (unlikely)" -- how extraordinarily ignorant. The SCOTUS is almost certain to uphold the Mississippi law and possibly go even further in dismantling Roe. When they do, rights to an abortion will die in numerous states with "trigger" laws. These laws are not the will of the people, but rather of right wing legislatures that are in place due to gerrymandering, voter suppression, and outright fraud.

The spread needs to stop with both issues.

The vaccines slow the spread and unvaccinated people spread the virus at higher rates than unvaccinated people. Plus, less chance of dying when vaccinated.

9:30 - the vax isn't a cure, no one ever said it was. Time to listen to your doctor, not your YouTube. Who is dying more? Vaxxed or unvaxxed? Facts.

Sun--hard to follow your thoughts. It is in fact illegal for a male to impregnate a female without consent (including the idea that underage females cannot consent voluntarily). In such cases the female does not face criminal jeopardy but the male does. The laws restricting abortion are not directed at the female per se but in perceived defense of the unborn child. (Not saying I agree with such laws.)

@a-1638561404 It is quite simple to follow. the proposed law discriminates against women based on SEX in violation of the 14 Amendment.

Since men cannot become pregnant, the law is discriminatory towards women ...women who choose to abort.

SUN - I'm 100% pro choice and pretty liberal, but I think you're missing that women aren't being penalized for having sex or even becoming pregnant. What the anti-choice crowd wants, and what Texas has done, is to be able to penalize them for choosing to abort the fetus. It's completely wrong, but it's a little different than what you're arguing.

@ SACJON Unfortunatly you misunderstand the definition of SEX as it pertains to the
14 Amendment...it does not refer to the act of having sex it refers to gender... male, female or other.

SUN - huh? Of course that's what it means. I never said the 14th protects the act of sex.....

@SACJON Since men cannot become pregnant, the law is discriminatory towards women ...women who choose to abort...

SUN - if men were able to become pregnant and abort but only women were penalized for aborting, you'd be right. That's not the case. Now, if they forced a woman against her will to have sex, get pregnant and/or abort, they'd be penalized for that.

@SANJON The fact is, Women can only get pregnant, men cannot...that in itself demonstrates the law is discriminates against women who choose to abort. It is a women's body inside and out, no one owns another person's body.

"you're missing that women aren't being penalized for having sex or even becoming pregnant"

Sac proves over and over again that someone can be "pretty liberal" without knowing anything. Penalizing women for having sex is a huge component of anti-abortion sentiment.

1:23 (VOICE) - How about you explain why it's wrong instead of just saying so? Does or does not most of the far right espouse extreme religious values? Are or are not such values, at their core, based on male supremacy and subservience of women? Answer is yes, they do and they are. Not a chance in heck you can convince us that the far right is not archaically religious.

"Cluster of fetal cells" argument I mean. It's life, period. You'd be horrified if someone kicked a pregnant woman in the stomach killing the baby wouldn't you? At any stage, even 1st trimester, causing a miscarriage. Or nah, then you would change your compassion again or views? Good grief.

The mothers you mentioned "considered" aborting but ultimately chose not to. I know a number of people that had abortions and are extremely grateful they did. Their lives would be drastically different (for the worse) had they not had the option. It's hardly a decision any woman is happy or proud about. It has real world implications on their lives, their families, and the community. It's an extremely difficult decision each woman has to make for herself based on her individual circumstances. It's not a decision that should be made for them by anyone else.

In most states it's only a baby if the mother decides it is, charging someone for homicide is usually optional. Oddly, assaulting a pregnant woman and causing a miscarriage the only instance in law where the humanity of one person (in utero) is dependent on the decision of another person (the mother).

Well, some women have made the decision long before the need to, and are happy, content and relieved about it.

Imagine being raped by a family member and then having to carry the baby to term.

BYZ - so you are FOR the right to choose? Or are you upset that men have to support their children even if they didn't want them? Where are you coming from on this?

I too am curious, Byz.

Then you must be for gun control too as well as social services that feed and clothe little boys and girls to keep them alive.