Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

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By Marian Shapiro

Students from UCSB Environmental Affairs Board and Sunrise Movement Santa Barbara  co-sponsored a Halloween-themed climate rally and march on Friday (October 22) along with the Society of Fearless Grandmothers-SB, Santa Barbara Community Action Network (SBCAN), 350 SB and Women’s March SB.

Global warming threatens the future of young people all over the world. UCSB students say, “Halloween should be scary, not our future,” so they are rising up to send the message to elected officials and adults in power: take action NOW to meet the climate emergency. They have a particular message for Governor Newsom: STOP approving new fossil fuel projects. And for California electeds: STOP taking fossil fuel donations!  and No Climate-No Deal!  

My photos can be seen here:  https://www.flickr.com/gp/marianshapiro42/f1zC10

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Olde Mann Oct 26, 2021 12:48 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Let's be rational. When you add more solar and wind capacity, it creates more demand for fracking gas power plants. If this group really wanted to solve the problem of carbon emissions then they would be pro nuclear power. It's one thing to complain about a problem, quite another thing to solve it.

Olde Mann Oct 28, 2021 02:02 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Mucking about is a bad idea, but sound engineering is a good idea. Some of these protesters should switch majors to something useful, like nuclear engineering. I'm guessing they are majoring in SJW.

Olde Mann Oct 28, 2021 02:00 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

This is a better explanation than I could give.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w

Basically when you have solar panels, you need to burn gas a night.
Nuclear runs 24 hours.

a-1635364111 Oct 27, 2021 12:48 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Solar and wind just create demand for storage systems, which have no need of fossil fuels. Battery, hydro, flywheel, pressurized gas, hydrogen generation are all more rational alternatives. Carbon based fuels must die.

PitMix Oct 27, 2021 09:33 AM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Olde is just saying that without storage, you have to have fossil plants (including gas) to meet the peak demand during night hours when renewables are not generating. But mucking about with nuclear with no way to deal with the waste is a foolish way to go.

sacjon Oct 26, 2021 12:57 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

OLDEMANN - "When you add more solar and wind capacity, it creates more demand for fracking gas power plants." - Explain.

Shasta Guy Oct 25, 2021 10:37 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

With today’s extended power outage in downtown, I think I’ll stock up on firewood, batteries, and candles. I guess EV owners are losing out on valuable charging time if their batteries are low. This is a foreshadowing of times to come as California ditches reliable generating capacity for unreliable, intermittent, and inadequate alternative energy such as solar and wind. They are good as supplemental sources, but as primary sources they have severe short comings.

Shasta Guy Oct 25, 2021 05:55 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

My neighborhood lost power, so I’m glad I have natural gas appliances and a fireplace so we have dinner, warm our home, and have some light.

NostraChumash Oct 25, 2021 03:27 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Humankind has not yet conquered simple fire..
The best HE has done so far, is to blow himself up, or destroy he fellows.
"I argue with my mirror, until i convince it that...im right".

a-1635194187 Oct 25, 2021 01:36 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Some good information in this article:

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58954530

Babycakes Oct 25, 2021 01:30 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

According to the article, the following groups were involved:
- Students from the UCSB Environmental Affairs Board
- Sunrise Movement Santa Barbara
- Society of Fearless Grandmothers-SB
- Santa Barbara Community Action Network (SBCAN)
- 350 SB.org
- Women’s March SB
The group photo shows m-a-y-b-e 40-45 people attending the rally, which averages to 6 or 7 per organization. In MY opinion, which does not really matter, there should have been more people at this event. Do the students just not care? Does anyone really care outside of a handful of folks? My answer to each of this questions is a big "No." Not enough folks care. So sad.

ChrisL Oct 26, 2021 12:19 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Oh, BABYCAKES--have you joined any climate-justice local groups yourself? You have no iron in this fire if you aren't vested enough to put out signs, walk the walk--you know, HELP. By the way, "40 or 50" is more during Covid than before. Just saying.

PitMix Oct 25, 2021 04:02 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Too bad kids don't like a little plutonium waste sprinkled on their red bull drinks. Then we would at least have a place to put the waste.

a-1635198498 Oct 25, 2021 02:48 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Nuclear power from fission is more problem than answer.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lsquo-advanced-rsquo-nuclear-reactors-don-rsquo-t-hold-your-breath/

GeneralTree Oct 25, 2021 07:41 AM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

There were more people at this rally than there were at the Larry Elder assault on the SB Court House.

MarcelK Oct 25, 2021 08:40 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Unsurprisingly, Sail offers up one of the dumbest and most disingenuous arguments ever formulated, common enough (because disingenuousness is ubiquitous on the right) to have a stock response: https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/ https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha-vs-the-green-new-deal/

a-1635200746 Oct 25, 2021 03:25 PM
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2:30 - Let's keep using those horses and buggies and sailing ships made of wood. After all, they enabled the age of exploration. No need to admit that any current technology is outdated.

a-1635197428 Oct 25, 2021 02:30 PM
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The positive consequences got us through the industrial revolution and basically paved the way for the modern era. If it isn't wasn't for fossil fuels our lives and society of today wouldn't be recognizable. The number of lives we can provide for on this earth would be significantly smaller if not for fossil fuels. So the billions of people alive today who wouldn't may argue they're a positive consequence of fossil fuels. Now do "entire lifetime" , because you are also not using that with its customary definition.

a-1635197042 Oct 25, 2021 02:24 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

How about "a technology with far more negative than positive consequences" that has been heavily subsidized for its entire lifetime.

a-1635196410 Oct 25, 2021 02:13 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Please define "failed technology" and how it applies to using fossil fuels. I'm finding more and more a lot of these disagreements or misunderstandings are the result of simply creating new definitions for words that are more commonly and historically defined differently.

a-1635194111 Oct 25, 2021 01:35 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Face it - no matter how hard you try to whataboutit, the use of petroleum and coal products for fuel is a dangerous failed technology of the ignorant past, and if we want the planet to be habitable for humans, we have to stop doing it.

GeneralTree Oct 25, 2021 01:27 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Mostly kids with more education under their belt and greater earning potential than most adults.

Sail380 Oct 25, 2021 01:10 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Yes a great turnout.. Mostly kids who have never had a job to support themselves, all wearing clothes made from fossil fuel. Why is not even one of them wearing a pair of deer skins??

RHS Oct 24, 2021 06:11 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Climate change deniers are doing the work of the profiteers that don't care about the lives of working people. For example, to suggest that the price of a gallon of gas is not manipulated and controlled by these corporations is naive. They control markets and the economy in general. In order for ordinary people to get back to a decent place they have to rebel against the power of these folks which is evident in everything from popular social media to the liberal press to the right wing blogs. Organize and understand that they cannot "get ahead" by denying the progress of their compatriots. Unfortunately the same puppet masters (Facebook et al) have infiltrated their world view and they do not pay attention to reason or history.

MarcelK Oct 25, 2021 08:48 PM
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"Climate change on the other hand is in the hands of God." -- no one with an IQ above room temperature or an ounce of intellectual honesty agrees. https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ "The current warming trend is of particular significance because it is unequivocally the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over millennia.1 It is undeniable that human activities have warmed the atmosphere, ocean, and land and that widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, and biosphere have occurred.

Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. This body of data, collected over many years, reveals the signals of a changing climate.

The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2 Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. There is no question that increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause Earth to warm in response.

Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that Earth’s climate responds to changes in greenhouse gas levels. Ancient evidence can also be found in tree rings, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. This ancient, or paleoclimate, evidence reveals that current warming is occurring roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming. Carbon dioxide from human activity is increasing more than 250 times faster than it did from natural sources after the last Ice Age.3"

MarcelK Oct 25, 2021 08:42 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

The disingenuous whatabout argument is common enough (because disingenuousness is ubiquitous on the right) to have a stock response: https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/ https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha-vs-the-green-new-deal/

sacjon Oct 25, 2021 03:18 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

CHICO - again, I didn't come here to offer a solution or even an argument. I came to point out hypocrisy, and that is all. Then, when you asked me my "agenda," I answered. Stop pouting like a child and accept that my answer as obviously different from yours.

a-1635198019 Oct 25, 2021 02:40 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

1:37 - Yes, they should definitely listen to their elders, who say they should just keep digging that hole deeper! Who cares whether the world becomes uninhabitable for humans?

chico berkeley Oct 25, 2021 01:37 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Again you do it.
You have no actual argument except to deflect, blame, obscure and NEVER come up with a real solution.
If having an agenda means refuting BS when I hear it then that IS my agenda.
Children should listen to the wisdom of their elders.

sacjon Oct 25, 2021 11:56 AM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

VOICE - the whataboutism here, is complaining about people driving cars to climate change rallies. Yeah, I flipped the scrip so call it what you want. Really don't care. My point is valid and stands. You still mad about Newsom's dinner?

Byzantium Oct 25, 2021 11:48 AM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Yet again this topic immediately switches to pollution; from climate change. Yes, sacjon we all like a clean planet. Start picking up and preventing trash, because we as a nation seem to have lost our former don't be a litterbug ethic. Climate change on the other hand is in the hands of God. Think global, but act locally. Start picking up all those discarded face masks first. Ugly.

Voice of Reason Oct 25, 2021 11:33 AM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Mr. Whataboutsim trying to say it isn't whatabousim when he does it, it's pointing out hypocrisy. Understand Chico? Rules for thee but not for me is sounding all to familiar these days.

sacjon Oct 25, 2021 11:21 AM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

CHICO - My agenda is simple. I like living on a clean planet and want my kids and grandkids to be able to enjoy that too. What's YOUR agenda? Further, pointing out hypocrisy in red herring comments is not whataboutism, it's pointing out hypocrisy. Actually, these comments about how many cars, etc, ARE whataboutism. Instead of directly refuting the pro-earth, anti-do nothing stance of these students, OOPS and Sail spin it to try to attack their character and mislead the argument.

chico berkeley Oct 25, 2021 11:12 AM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Sac-You seem to latch onto anything to further your agenda,(whatever that is)
You give people here s#$% here constantly about "whataboutism" when it suits YOUR need.
Your foolishness is showing.
Go peddle crazy somewhere else.

Sail380 Oct 25, 2021 08:13 AM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

How many enjoy the energy sucking, green house gas leaking air conditioning while they talk about climate change?

Chip of SB Oct 24, 2021 11:50 AM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

I expect this sentiment against fossil fuels is going to shift rapidly in the other direction as prices rise. It’s easy for wealthy elites to support price increases, but it takes a toll on the rest of us. For those who barely earn enough to pay their bills, the coming price increases will be particularly painful. Gasoline, electricity, and natural gas prices are going through the roof thanks to our anti-energy policies. These rising energy costs will help drive up the costs of all products. The result will hopefully be a shift in voter sentiment and government policy to help reduce the cost of energy and improve our standard of living.

MarcelK Oct 25, 2021 09:01 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

I expect that Chip will be wrong about this as he is wrong about everything ... a consequence of extraordinary ignorance and a complete lack of intellectual integrity. Global warming and the resulting climate change are observable fact. The rise of prices of fossil fuels of course does not lead to sentiments in favor of fossil fuels but rather to increased demand for cheaper alternatives. Europe has higher prices at the pump but far more anti-fossil fuel sentiment.

Voice of Reason Oct 25, 2021 12:52 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Condor, do you think the legislation California has pursued over the past several decades has increased or decreased income/education inequality in California?

condorhiker Oct 25, 2021 12:40 PM
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Chip - "the standard of living in this country has been declining for several decades." Also, income and wealth inequality have been increasing for several decades. Do you think there's any correlation?

GeneralTree Oct 25, 2021 11:21 AM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

Green energy would be great for West Virginia residents if Manchin and other politicians in the deep red state would give it a chance. West Virginia's reliance on coal is becoming more and more of a hardship. Many West Virginia homeowners are paying more in electricity per month than they are for their mortgage. Thanks coal!

a-1635175330 Oct 25, 2021 08:22 AM
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I bet those three downvotes came from people that didn't loose their jobs during the pandemic and who don't even look at what the total was when they fill up their gas tank.

Chip of SB Oct 24, 2021 01:40 PM
Climate Rally at UC Santa Barbara

11:51, I fear you may be correct. The he standard for f living in this country has been declining for several decades. The coming price inflation will likely squeeze the finances of most Americans. Unfortunately, this type of hardship has historically led to bad outcomes. I really hope we can turn things around. People should get paid more to work, and people should be able to afford more. It looks like we are heading I. The wrong direction and I hope we can change course.

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