Possible Attack at Dolphin Fountain

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Code 2 Medics for possible injury near the Dolphin Fountain at Stearn's Wharf. The subject was reportedly attacked by a homeless subject in possession of scissors.

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Lina24 May 10, 2018 03:15 PM
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Homeless will continue to increase as long as housing is no longer affordable to the hard working class.

a-1525996029 May 10, 2018 04:47 PM
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LINA24 - I think the "dangerous" homeless people like the one here are not so much out of work workers, but people who are on the street due to mental illness. Affordable housing unfortunately probably won't help much.

Factotum May 10, 2018 04:15 PM
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No, the passive days of dealing with vagrants and public camping in this town are over. It has nothing at all to do with what you are calling "affordable housing". There is plenty of affordable housing but it will take a reasonable commute or a choice for manufactured housing if you don't want to commute. "Affordable" housing is available for anyone who has the skill set and resources to purchase it. You in fact are asking for subsidized housing.

SBsurferlife May 10, 2018 10:50 AM
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Article on the homelessness epidemic in San Francisco and how it's exploding along the CA coast, really shows how all city leaders are clueless on how to fix this: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/public-drug-use-san-francisco

RHS May 10, 2018 10:26 AM
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Because it is almost impossible to respond to individual comments in the new Edhat format here are a few thoughts directed at several submissions:
1. It was an alliance of liberals and conservatives that created the current mental health institutionalization system. It was made harder to put a person in care but there was to be a network of outpatient and local facilities. The conservatives never put the money up for this side of the deal and kept the savings from closing the hospitals to pay for more prisons.
2. For reasons that may be endemic to the nature of their practice, mental health "professionals" in government are much more comfortable with talking about things than doing things. This pays them well and avoids the hard work of actually trying to intervene with difficult cases. SB Mental Health has been this way since the closing of the state MH institutions and the new name doesn't change it. It is a bureaucratic hot air delay machine.
3. The Board of Supervisors is complicit in A. Letting Behavorial Wellness stall, and, B. Letting the Sheriff divert money for health care to building new jails in the false promise of providing MH treatment, etc., in the prisons they construct.
The reasons people are allowed to suffer and decay on the streets is a sorry combination of misguided civil liberties concerns ("ACLU" etc.) and lack of funding to do the intervention needed.
These issues are not unknown. People have complained about them for decades. The politicians and bureaucrats are just not doing anything to move forward. They temporize and promise Spring time tomorrow but always produce more fog hot air. Then the create a "new" model and start over.

Factotum May 10, 2018 10:42 AM
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The drug industry promised those released from state institutions by the ACLU lawsuit would be controlled simply by modern pharmaceuticals. Prozac Nation, remember? So good, it needed to be put into the public water supplies. That drug "cure" never happened, Plus those released at that time have now probably since passed from the scene. Can't use that excuse for today's vagrancy problems, nor ignore voters passed Prop 63 (MHSA) in 2004 precisely to respond to this obviously failed and ACLU forced closure of state institutions. The old excuses simply don't work, no gain credibility by there mere repetition and partisan baiting. . The money is there, the voter will is there, the court public guardian system is in place. Get this population off the streets.

CrystalSpiritLuvr May 10, 2018 10:19 AM
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I feel bad for all the foreign visitors and cruise ship folks, all of cabrillo is a pretty unsafe area at night. People screaming, vicious pits, aggressive panhandling. And what's with the guy who sticks hundreds of paper plates in the sand at the base of the pier, it looks like a garbage dump. Maybe the funk zone encroachment will gentrify that area into something safe to walk through.

richyrich May 10, 2018 12:34 PM
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Cabrillo area is unsafe? Absolute lunacy! It's amazing what white privileged people can complain about when life is so good.

tagdes May 10, 2018 09:28 AM
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The lesson here is to not confront these people. The transient threw a beer bottle that broke on the sidewalk so the jogger confronted him and was told to get out of my space and punched by the transient. Scissors were not involved in the altercation. It's getting like walking the loop in Chicago where you have to keep crossing back and forth to avoid scary looking people.

Roger May 10, 2018 05:51 PM
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When the call first went out before anyone responded I heard the dispatcher say he was in possession of the scissors so the police knew he had them before they searched him.

horsegirl May 10, 2018 02:07 PM
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I’ll agree with that. The initial comment made it sound like they should be ignored all together and left to go about their business. I definitely wouldn’t antagonize one myself, but I feel like calling the cops on someone throwing a glass bottle on the ground wouldn’t do a whole lot either. Hopefully this prompts some more active patrolling and adds another point to the laundry list of why something drastic needs to be done about our transient, houseless, drug addict, and mentally unstable factions of society.

horsegirl May 10, 2018 02:07 PM
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I’ll agree with that. The initial comment made it sound like they should be ignored all together and left to go about their business. I definitely wouldn’t antagonize one myself, but I feel like calling the cops on someone throwing a glass bottle on the ground wouldn’t do a whole lot either. Hopefully this prompts some more active patrolling and adds another point to the laundry list of why something drastic needs to be done about our transient, houseless, drug addict, and mentally unstable factions of society.

tagdes May 10, 2018 01:39 PM
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I'm pretty sure the middle aged victim whom is pressing charges would agree it might have been better to back off and call the police rather than pushing the issue by approaching the transient to say " I'm not doing anything " resulting in him getting punched in the face after already being told to " get out of my space ". You don't need to be compliant, but I'll heed the warning from police and call them when there is no need to put my own life in danger.

tagdes May 10, 2018 01:25 PM
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Well he had a wheelchair, suitcase, blanket, a shopping cart full of items and a black bicycle so when they searched him for arrest they likely found the scissors you heard mentioned. All I said was they weren't used in the attack.

a-1525978400 May 10, 2018 11:53 AM
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Exactly Horsegirl! It should not be just accepted that violent transients are just a part of the beach experience. The cops need a heavier presence down there. I know plenty of locals that avoid the area altogether!

horsegirl May 10, 2018 11:08 AM
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That shouldnt be the lesson here. throwing beer bottles is dangerous, the broken glass is a hazard for people and dogs walking in this area. we should not be compliant and allow violent people to rule the streets

Factotum May 10, 2018 10:45 AM
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The only lesson is this population does not get more rights, than anyone else. They need to get off the streets and stop terrorizing people. Communities have the right to establish community standards for public conduct. No smoking, no nudity, and no street camps.

Roger May 10, 2018 09:37 AM
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Scissors were mentioned as if they were used the only way one would know exactly what happened is if they were in the Biz. So did the guy have scissors or not? How come they were mentioned if he did not have them?

macpuzl May 09, 2018 07:10 PM
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You can shout partisan rhetoric back and forth all day, but if you look at actual data on the issue of gun violence, there are some clear conclusions. Through its bought and paid for members of the legislative branch, the NRA has blocked the CDC from conducting epidemiological studies of gun violence, but it is such an important policy issue that numerous independent large-scale studies have been carried out. The data from these, along with the data from countries that do have gun control, show several things:

1) Gun violence has very little to do with mental illness.

2) More guns means more crime and death.

3) A gun in the home means your family members are an order of magnitude more likely to be injured or killed.

4) Strict national gun control works.

Well worth reading:

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20180417-what-would-happen-if-all-guns-disappeared

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun-violence-united-states-america

Factotum May 09, 2018 03:57 PM
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PROP 63 - MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ACT - PASSED IN 2004

"The passage of Proposition 63 (now known as the Mental Health Services Act or MHSA) in November 2004, provides the first opportunity in many years for the California Department of Mental Health (DMH) to provide increased funding, personnel and other resources to support county mental health programs and monitor progress toward statewide goals for children, transition age youth, adults, older adults and families. The Act addresses a broad continuum of prevention, early intervention and service needs and the necessary infrastructure, technology and training elements that will effectively support this system.

This Act imposes a 1% income tax on personal income in excess of $1 million. Statewide, the Act was projected to generate approximately $254 million in fiscal year 2004-05, $683 million in 2005-06 and increasing amounts thereafter. Much of the funding will be provided to county mental health programs to fund programs consistent with their local plans. Any uncommitted funds during FY 2005-06 will be used to establish county prudent reserve accounts as required by the Act. " (California.Gov)

Z May 09, 2018 03:45 PM
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OMG! The homeless are in possession of scissors? Call CSI, let's get to the bottom of this. Let's see if I'm getting the drift of the ensuing discussion: Harbor Patrol, City constabulary, mental illness, guns, politicians, lobbyists, sex offenders, TrumP, Prop 65, Billions of Dollar$, NRA, mental illness, guns, curses at the sky, ACLU, Reagan, and round-'em-up. I'm still wondering if the scissors were the pointy variety or round-nosers.

a-1525967314 May 10, 2018 08:48 AM
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How is stating a FACT about scissors being capable of deadly injury in the hands of a person with mental issues something so offensive that it is down-voted 3 times? This is absurd.

a-1525906715 May 09, 2018 03:58 PM
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Z - scissors can kill just as easily as a knife, nothing to belittle or make fun of. A mentally ill person can do a lot of damage with a pair of scissors.

420722 May 09, 2018 03:01 PM
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California mental health issues are out of control. Some of these people need to be forced into treatment asap or they are going to kill themselves or someone else. It’s more cruel to leave them out there going totally insane in the brain with no help then it is to make them get help. That’s my opinion anyway.

Factotum May 09, 2018 03:49 PM
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Reagan as Governor was forced to sign the settlement with ACLU that lead to the release of those who still belonged in our state care institutions. Reagan had nothing to do with this other than being the CEO who had to carry out the court order. Time to put that debunked myth to bed. And get serious about the problem we now face today. Most people out on the streets today were not even around when Reagan was governor - back in the 1960s'

PitMix May 09, 2018 01:21 PM
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Saw a woman wandering erratically along Shoreline last Saturday morning screaming curses at the sky. I warned some people headed in her direction to watch out for her. What else can you do? Would to cops come and do a welfare check?

a-1525972015 May 10, 2018 10:06 AM
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Not true exactly. This is an excuse that the county health people use to not bring proceedings. The end result is that they end up with a few (very few) compliant cases and send the rest to jail or back on the streets. The Prop 63 funds have been stolen, essentially, by the bureaucrats who will "study" this thing to the end of time.

stewart14 May 09, 2018 04:49 PM
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My goodness you are so far off. Borderline to not even respond to your spew of wrong, but I had to. You want to pay for everybodies healthcare or should I continue to do so? Oh, and you know zero about the gun laws which is apparent.

Factotum May 09, 2018 04:44 PM
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In 2004, the year the MHSA passed which has now raised billions of dollars statewide to help the mentally impaired living on the streets, the following statements were made: "A decade ago, then-Mayor Gavin Newsom made an unlikely promise. In 10 years, he pledged on June 30, 2004, the worst of San Francisco’s homeless problem would be gone." (SF Chron - 2014)

Factotum May 09, 2018 03:53 PM
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Billions - please do your research on the history of the MHSA - what happened to those billions of dollars when voters passed the MHSA? The voter expectation when this new tax (on the rich) passed is people who should not be on the streets would be taken off the streets - all fairly and legally - for mental health treatment; not criminal incarceration.

a-1525904530 May 09, 2018 03:22 PM
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HOWARD - yes you do. If you know any gun owner that fully supports the NRA, then you know a gun owner that is opposed to strict background checks that would block people with mental illness from buying guns.

Howard Roark May 09, 2018 03:09 PM
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Who are the politicians; they need to be exposed. Can you provide the names so they can be booted from office. I don't know one gun owner that supports the mentally ill owning guns.

Roger May 09, 2018 01:32 PM
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Where is the documentation of Billions of Dollars I have never heard of Billions of dollars coming to Santa Barbara county for Mental Health assistance jus sayin...Billions?

Roger May 09, 2018 01:02 PM
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I think many Sex Offenders are committed to State Hospitals for treatment within their sentences, as far as physical non sexual attacks unless there is more than one victim not mental help for those folks they usually go to jail then maybe jail. As far as committing the mentally ill just for being scary We need money to do that and the current administration is not granting much money for the mentally ill but we can buy guns. I guess they are hoping we either take ourselves out or others I cannot think of any constructive reason a mentally ill person should have a gun...

Factotum May 09, 2018 12:57 PM
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Who writes the law? Our elected representatives. Why should we feel helpless - we elect our representatives to protect us, and write laws that work best to protect the entire community. Laws change and if current ones no longer serve our community, then we change those who we elect to serve us. Both Monique Limon and Hannah-Beth Jackson are doing very little to protect us.

a-1525888975 May 09, 2018 11:02 AM
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Good point Roger - it's unreal that some lobbyists and politicians are in favor of people with mental issues being able to purchase guns. No healthcare for them, but give them guns!

Roger May 09, 2018 11:00 AM
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There was a Mental hospital that many were being sent to in Ventura that burned down Vista Del Mar that fire is not their fault. If it were up to other certain politicians the mentally ill would be allowed to purchase guns interesting enough.

a-1525885111 May 09, 2018 09:58 AM
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Yes, this could have ended up like that poor man in Ventura who was stabbed by a homeless person. With so many unstable homeless people in that area, I'm surprised there's not a more permanent police presence. Glad the Harbor Patrol got there in time though!

Roger May 09, 2018 09:55 AM
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It's a good thing the Harbor Patrol and Police showed up quick or this possible attack could have been worse.

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