Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

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Aggressive panhandlers at Vons at 1040 Coast Village Road. 2 WMA over 6 feet tall one with an aggressive dog throwing things at passer-bys.

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Factotum Mar 19, 2019 04:33 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Get hardcore addicts and mentally impaired vagrants off our streets now. This is where we start. Then we move up the ladder until tax-paying residents finally take back their own town.

Factotum Mar 19, 2019 03:43 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Re-open the state care institutions, like Camarillo used to offer. The promieed psycho-trophic drug "cures" that closed them down did not work. Re-open them and build new ones. Voters supported Prop 63 - Mental Health Services Act years ago and wasted all that money. Voters again said use that money to get these vagrants off the street. Sooner the better for all concerned. New message coming from California taxpayers - you will not live in our streets, creeks, bushes, rooftops, water channels or storefronts if you come to this state. You will be assessed for state or federal care institutions and that is where you will stay..

a-1561407929 Mar 19, 2019 02:41 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

These comments are really depressing. Faced with an urban crisis, all you can think to do is beat up on another community, and wish the problem on them? Don't many of you think that's exactly how some of our homeless ended up here? Because someone else dumped them on us? Why perpetuate that? Why not work on the problem instead? And someone prove that Montecito funds Homeless, Inc. One Lady Ridley Tree does not a whole community make. There are a lot of working folks in Montecito. It's not all mansions and estates. Yes homelessness is a federal problem, but it gets punted to the cities and counties to deal with it. Our city is spectacularly unambitious about solving homelessness. Our mayor is clueless. But a community that decides to tackle homelessness itself, at the street level, can make great strides despite the idiots on the Council. Milpas had a concentrated Outreach project that achieved really good results in 2014, and that's partly because their businesses participated in helping get the most chronically homeless off the street. The Indy did a story on it, I think. State St copied the project, but didn't get good results because their businesses didn't get as involved. The community is the most important decider of what goes on and problem-solving skills. I thought Santa Barbara was full of can-do people that loved working in community spirit. This feels like the echo chamber for the can-don'ts.

ZeroHawk Mar 19, 2019 04:37 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

your post makes too much logical sense for most of these edhat readers to comprehend. betcha this gets a lot of down votes lol! but i speak the truth....

PitMix Mar 19, 2019 11:53 AM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

So crazy for locals to try and address these problems. This is a national problem and should be addressed with federal money. Drug addiction, mental illness- no little city should be spending their scarce resources to address them. Their job is to fix roads, provide water, and treat sewage. How do we get this addressed at the federal level?

a-1561407929 Mar 19, 2019 04:37 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

PITMIX homelessness is not a national problem. It is rampant mostly in California - it's not even this bad in NY. Go to other states and see - I've driven across the country, been in depressed areas and never saw as many homeless people as in CA. That means that CA is permitting it and/or not doing anything about it so why should other states taxdollars go towards that when other states apparently are or have done something about it? Please. CA needs to clean up its streets using money that was supposed to go towards that. Instead, they are worried about plastic straws.

Factotum Mar 19, 2019 03:46 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Talk to your local federatl representative Salud Carbajal. He should be front and center on this topic. Meanwhile ask your state reps - Hannah Beth Jackson and Monique Limon where the voter approved, billions of tax dollars Prop 63 - Mental Health Services Act - has gone. Voters supported this ballot measure to get these people permanently off our streets - what happened to all that money.

a-1561407929 Mar 19, 2019 01:32 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

You're absolutely right. However, this is only a problem in select pockets of the country (mostly urban areas and the coasts). I doubt the majority of Americans living in the rural stretches of the country have the same problems that we face. It's not seen as a national problem.

ParvoPup Mar 18, 2019 07:07 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

You have to admit, these vagrants or whatever label you choose to use have managed to survive and apparently thrive in one the most desirable cities in California. And are doing so without working 2 jobs paying 4 figure rents for an 80 year old studio dump. Makes me wonder who the fools are in this debate.

Flicka Mar 18, 2019 05:35 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Some comments make it seem the posters really hate Montecito people, calling them all liberals (not) because some actually show compassion. Jealous because many of the residents there figured how to make a lot of money? The friends I have living in Montecito are regular working stiffs, or retired from being regular working stiffs. Don't paint everyone with the same brush.

ZeroHawk Mar 19, 2019 04:41 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

so why are they automatically labeled as liberals because they have money? i have NO money, struggle like a lot of us to live here, and i'm liberal. lets not politicize this and realize that the problem is that we have no way to care for mentally ill patients and they end up dumped on the streets....i'm not talking about the wandering crusty nomadic kids, i'm talking about the mentally deranged, that i see a lot of

a-1561407929 Mar 18, 2019 01:50 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

The tone of these comments is disturbing. Why are people gleefully advocating to shove Santa Barbara's homeless problem immediately over to Montecito? How neighborly is that? How does that solve the problem for all of us? And the world does not end at Coast Village, people. That's in the city limits of Santa Barbara.

ZeroHawk Mar 19, 2019 04:42 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

montecito is a district, not a city. you're owned by santa barbara, neighbor. so your problem is our problem and our problem is yours.

a-1561407929 Mar 18, 2019 04:43 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

What you don't realize is that it likely WOULD solve the problem if these vagrants causing the problems downtown were doing this on CVR or the upper village. Or in front of their gated mansions, in the bushes. One warming fire gone awry near a Montecito estate and boom - Homeless Inc. would be over. Guaranteed. That is the point of those comments, and the sad reality of this situation.

CoastWatch Mar 18, 2019 04:31 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

@A-155 The reason I am an advocate for sending Panhandlers to Montecito is that the Montecito Elite Class LOVES to support "Homeless Inc."... As long as it's compartmentalized in "The City" of Santa Barbara... NOT in their protected-behind -the -hedges-horticultured-estates... They love to literally feed the homeless as it removes their liberal guilt, they just don't want to deal with it.

a-1561407929 Mar 18, 2019 02:17 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Devil's advocate: Money Talks, it is a surefire way to get an ACTUAL response from the City and SBPD instead of the hands-off bull going on in the rest of the City.

shorebird Mar 18, 2019 01:13 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

it’s been a while since I was there but in the waterfront area of San Francisco the people asking for money gave you something for it. One guy had a sign “Will jump rope for 5 minutes for a dollar.” There were musicians, jugglers, poetry readers. I gave the jump rope guy a dollar. Who remembers Mason B. Mason with his guitar, singing and making up songs about you as you walked by? Who remembers the mouse on top of the cat on top of the dog. It was fun to see and made State Street interesting.

a-1561407929 Mar 18, 2019 01:57 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

I remember Mason and the cat/dog/mouse guy! Those were great people. That is not the scene nowadays however. State Street is no longer interesting. It's gross. Too bad there weren't more people like those folks who are gone now.

CoastWatch Mar 18, 2019 01:33 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

@Shorebird- The booming voice of Mason is always thought of whenever I pass Canon Perdido and State , and yes, the dog / cat/ mouse was hysterical- But now the panhandlers and "homeless" in general are a different type altogether- Most are young and able enough to get a job and "work", instead they choose a street life and are aggressive-entitlement punks.

Luvaduck Mar 18, 2019 12:37 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Not to trivialize the issue, but if you put out birdseed, you get birds. If you put out cats, you don't.

buckwheat Mar 18, 2019 12:25 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

This thread reminds me of so many commenters who whine and snivel about lower State Street! Panhandling, whether taking place in Montecito or Santa Barbara, is a minor problem. Quit whining and enjoy paradise!

Roger Mar 18, 2019 02:21 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Not when someone gets in your face and demands money it isn't a small issue. Some people can protect themselves others cannot. Something needs to be done.

sbmh2015 Mar 18, 2019 01:51 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Quit please with the "paradise" description of Santa Barbara. If this was truly paradise, we wouldn't be having transients asking for money, aggressively or any other way!!

a-1561407929 Mar 18, 2019 12:24 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

It would make sense if more of this was going on there lately - I would think State Street is oversaturated at this point. Less of them there, so more chance for some good loot.

Flicka Mar 18, 2019 09:47 AM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Years ago Barney Brantingham interviewed homeless in De la Guerra Plaza for his NP column. One man bragged about the thousands he made, Barney wrote about it and the IRS showed up to tax the guy.

Factotum Mar 18, 2019 09:09 AM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Panhandlers need to move into Upper Village Montecito and into the heart of county first district supervisor Das Williams - Das is one of their biggest supporters. Let him fix this problem at last, at the county level, instead of just tinkering around the edges of this problem or demanding the city fix it for him. Let the socially liberal Montecito supporters deal with this issue directly face to face, because for too long they donated money to put this problem in someone else's back yard.

a-1561407929 Mar 18, 2019 07:00 AM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Smart panhandlers there - heading where the majority of money and bleeding hearts are! Plus, Coast Village Road an E Valley are quieter later at night so they would probably be left alone and sleep better too.

a-1561407929 Mar 17, 2019 11:14 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

We were walking oceanside this evening, looking out at the oil derricks all lit up orange and yellow. We weren't even talking about homeless people and suddenly, out of nowhere, my significant other said, "Those derricks aren't even being used now, right? Maybe we should send all the homeless people out there." Thoughts?

a-1561407929 Mar 18, 2019 10:07 AM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Thoughts: Wtf?? You realize the homeless are still people, right? Try not to ruin compassion for many with the misgivings of the few bad eggs. Sounds like you and your significant other may want to put in some volunteer time at the soup kitchen to realize many, if not most, of these people are not bad people and are simply down on their luck, you could gain some empathy. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

a-1561407929 Mar 18, 2019 06:16 AM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

They are likely polluted with gas and chemicals would cause health problems... Plus someone owns them and would then be required to carry the liability, and someone would have to pick them up and drop them off and take them food, evacuate them in big storms. Who would police the fighting and clean up their refuse and biological waste? Shipping homeless people to oil derricks is a weird idea to say the least.

Factotum Mar 17, 2019 09:32 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Of course we will read all about this incident in our local newspapers tomorrow. Should be headline news in the Montecito Journal. Lead story in Noozhawk and Independent?

a-1561407929 Mar 17, 2019 08:11 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

I think all elected officials and paid city/county staff need to take the train from Carpinteria to a bit past Goleta station. OMG. Tons of debris/garbage. Numerous active encampments. Not only is it filthy; it is dangerous. So many of the camps are very near homes. The new Miramar has a huge camp right south (east) of their property. Gross. Guests lounging by the pool and a 100 yards away, you have people living openly along the train tracks. I am not talking about a tent or two. Some of these camps stretch for quite a bit. The first large camp is right below the 101 near Summerland, almost perched in the hillside overlooking the ocean. Most camps seem to be on Union Pacific property but many on Caltrans property. Worst section of the train route coming up from LA is Santa Barbara, with Montecito and Goleta pretty bad also.

a-1561407929 Mar 17, 2019 07:28 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Does anyone else remember the guy (late 20s, maybe) who wanted to write an article on panhandling, so he went and sat at Vons in Montecito? At least 10 years ago or so. I think he was writing for the News-Press (not sure). He must have dressed the part, at least somewhat. People gave him money. For some reason I remember $7.10 was his total take, but I could be wrong about that. Anyway-----he got into loads of trouble when the article came out and the "givers" found out he wasn't a "real" homeless person. I think some people even demanded their money back.

Factotum Mar 17, 2019 10:06 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

A few years ago, in an official city report it claimed upwards of $500,000 a year was given in this city to panhandlers. But that was back when State Street was busy and people still had not figured out this money was not going for food, their dog, medicine, or a bus ticket; it all goes for drugs. Plenty of shelter services in this town. Too many. The proper amount to give a panhandlers is zero. Don't even think about supporting, enabling and encouraging any pan-handler anywhere in this entire city.

CoastWatch Mar 17, 2019 07:22 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

If any of the professional panhandlers read EDHAT, I know you're probably not real familiar with the area, so... State St is a dead horse, pretty much all of Santa Barbara is. If you want to make REAL money panhandling, Go on Coast Village Road or better yet San Ysidro and East Valley Rd... That is where all the uber rich democrats live- Even Oprah lives over there!

420722 Mar 17, 2019 08:42 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

Yes let’s re-direct all the bums to hang out in front of the montecito stores & compounds and I guarantee action will be taken by the city.

Curmudgeon Mar 17, 2019 07:16 PM
Aggressive Panhandlers in Montecito

When notorious bank robber Willie Sutton was asked why he robbed banks he replied, "Because that's where the money is." So, panhandling in Montecito? (still technically Santa Barbara) Hey, that's where the money is!"

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