Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

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Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC
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By Roger the Scanner Guy
6:07 p.m., December 3, 2018

Motorcyclist killed at the entrance to Santa Barbara City College in the 700 Block of Cliff Drive.

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a-1544482510 Dec 06, 2018 12:43 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

It sickens me to see these ghoulish comments about who was at fault or attempting to be "armchair traffic engineers." Have some respect people. Comment somewhere else about your useless "theories." RIP young man.

a-1544482510 Dec 06, 2018 12:29 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

As the sister of a dead motorcyclist who took great care to protect himself and ride safely, an accident is an accident in the end. No one wanted this to happen. The driver and motorcyclist both tried their best to avoid a collision to no avail. Now it is time to let their loved ones deal with their life long suffering and grief in their own ways and not have to read any more opinions on who or what was to blame. Nothing will change the outcome they have to deal with but not reading this stuff will help them move forward!

a-1544482510 Dec 04, 2018 08:10 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

X01660. Please take into account that a great deal of the time drivers just don't see motorcyclists approaching-----at all. I don't care if those headlights are on or the rider is wearing dayglo orange, sometimes "conditions" are such that motorcyclists are often difficult to spot. Riding a motorcycle is dangerous and will only become more so, thanks to population increase, aging drivers and far too many vehicles altogether.

x01660 Dec 04, 2018 08:40 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Emphasis is on "too fast for the conditions"; it was 1600 on a school day. With young, inexperienced, and reckless drivers on the road, impetuous students jaywalking across Cliff Dr, and all the other happenings at class transition time, he was riding too fast for the conditions. Sometimes that means going under the speed "limit". It's a limit for a reason. Not a must travel speed. Again, motorcycling is dangerous business. And if you don't respect it, you die. Period. I accept that when I ride. And I ride to the conditions. He didn't, and paid the ultimate price.

x01660 Dec 05, 2018 10:09 AM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Yes, but we're talking about facts here. None of what was said was an ad hominem attack on character. Its simply an assesment of the situation. And just like first responders have to set aside emotion and react to a situation, and reporters have to maintain composure and report the facts without overt emotionality, when an discussion of the facts happens, it is completely justified to talk about the facts without emotions. Mind you, this isn't the person's obituary where we are discussing fault; this is the news article on the accident. So please feel free to throw out passive aggressive insults when when people comment on the obit, not not on the news article. It simply shows your inabillity to separate your feelings from your logic. :)

jqb Dec 05, 2018 05:36 AM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

"physics and biology don't care about your feelings and sensitivity" Perhaps not, but decent people do.

a-1544482510 Dec 04, 2018 07:41 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Noozhawk, per SBPD: (NOT arguing, just sharing that report) "The motorcyclist was eastbound in the right-hand lane when a BMW made a right turn onto Cliff, pulling out from City College, Wagner said. The motorcycle rider, whose name was not released, attempted to avoid the BMW by moving into the left-hand lane, Wagner said, but that driver also tried to avoid a collision by moving toward the left lane. At that point, the rider began to fishtail, and attempted to lay down the motorcycle, Wagner said, but was ejected and landed hard in the roadway, suffering major traumatic injuries. Initially police indicated there had been a collision, but Wagner said the motorcycle never struck the BMW.

REX OF SB Dec 06, 2018 10:01 AM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Actually, if you'll look at the picture (above) you'll see that the point of impact appears to be directly at the Cliff Drive entrance to SBCC, not Loma Alta.

a-1544482510 Dec 06, 2018 09:39 AM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

The BMW was not pulling out from City College. Loma Alta is a public road, not part of SBCC. #FACTS

TheTek Dec 04, 2018 06:59 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

The sequence of events began as the young man was headed east of Cliff Drive at a very high rate of speed. A car merging onto Cliff form lower Loma Alta began its turn the Motorcycle swerved and began wobbling and hit the median. It was traveling so fast the bike and his body kept traveling for quite a distance about 500 feet or more. The deceased's helmet fell off at some point, not sure what it hit at such force or if the fencing that divides cliff drive was a factor, nevertheless; speed was the biggest factor here . This is based on the info given up to this point, I hope they will release the final investigation soon, with more concrete information.

a-1544482510 Dec 04, 2018 06:13 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Please just slow down! Take your time. Leave one place to the next with plenty of time to spare instead of racing from one place to another and speeding won't be necessary. Neither will be stress. Relax and enjoy the music on your radio for once. You will smile a lot more often.

DataDan Dec 04, 2018 05:26 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

It is not true that violation of right of way trumps excessive speed as a crash cause. It's a judgment call by the investigator, and it can go either way depending on the facts. In this case, due to the limited sight distance exiting SBCC, the driver might have pulled into the intersection before the motorcycle was even in view. If that were the case--and we just don't know yet--he/she would not be at fault. Some general facts about motorcycle crashes in Santa Barbara: Out of around 1000 traffic crashes a year reported by SBPD, 40 or so involve motorcycles (does not include freeway crashes handled by CHP). That's 4%. Of the motorcycle crashes: 80% are non-injury or minor injury; in the past 3 years, there has been only one other motorcyclist death; the rider is at fault less than half the time; in 59%, another driver (or pedestrian or bicyclist) is at fault; in just 15% is the motorcyclist at fault due to excessive speed. (Data from the CHP's statewide database, 2015-2017.) This was a tragic event that took a person's life, and their family will be grieving as the holidays approach. Condolences to all.

d8vanilla Dec 04, 2018 05:10 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Everyone needs to pay attention..... slow down, look around, drive defensively ...... waiting for the officials details

Ducky Dec 04, 2018 12:20 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

The motorcyclist had the right of way, no matter how fast he was going. Period. This driver cut him off and killed him. The man is gone and his family will never see him again because of someone elses inattentive driving. The victim blaming going on here is un-effing-believable.

a-1544482510 Dec 05, 2018 11:43 AM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

DUCKY it's attitudes like yours why people end up killed. You can't just do whatever you want - speed at excessive rates, drive dangerously and then say oh it's not my fault. When you're dead, you're dead, regardless of your entitlement oriented belief that you are never at fault. This is the problem nowadays and people teach this to their kids and wonder why they end up killed while being reckless.

mast8 Dec 04, 2018 10:24 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Speed limits are partially based on how much reaction time is necessary in a situation just like this one. You can be going so fast that a driver pulling into the road doesn't see you coming around the corner or over the hill when they start to make the turn, because you simply aren't in view yet. So saying he had the right of way "no matter how fast he was going" is just not true.

a-1544482510 Dec 04, 2018 03:56 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Normally I would agree, when someone is pulling out of a lot it is their responsibility not to cut off oncoming traffic however, it seems that this guy really may have been going at a very high rate of speed. I realize nothing is confirmed yet but I've seen ppl on these racing bikes going ridiculously fast even on the 101. So what do you do if you do look for oncoming traffic, see none, and pull out only to have someone suddenly come upon you out of nowhere? If the motorcyclist was breaking a speed law, especially at a high rate, then there is responsibility there too.

x01660 Dec 04, 2018 10:38 AM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Another one?!? This is so sad.... There aren't enough of us motorcylists... but in this case, he epitomized the definition of a "motorcycle squid". Riding too fast for the conditions, probably not wearing his gear, etc..... Motorcycling is serious business, and if you don't give it the respect it deserves, this is the result. RIP, buddy. I hope your crash and death serves as a lesson to all on two wheels; respect the machine, wear your gear, and ride defensively.

ESL_teacher Dec 04, 2018 10:24 AM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

I used to teach at SBCC and I remember there was another very serious motorcycle accident at that intersection. It is high time to redesign it.

TheTek Dec 04, 2018 07:06 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

The accident began a half block away at At Loma Alta, a car merging onto Cliff began merging. Things came to rest at the entrance but started more that 700 feet away, speed might be the biggest factor, the guys helmet fell apart and came off.

a-1544482510 Dec 04, 2018 09:26 AM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

It's not to “blame” to report the facts. What a horrible accident. Noozhawk reported, “The motorcycle involved is a Yamaha GYTR-R1, a high-performance bike developed primarily for racing.” I wonder why such racing machines are licensed for street usage?

TheTek Dec 04, 2018 07:09 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

That's impossible,the entrance can not be moved to Loma Alta there is a huge cliff there??? The entrance is not at fault, the accident started 700'+ feet or more, at Loma Alta and Cliff. #SPEED

Luvaduck Dec 04, 2018 08:53 AM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Tragic a high-risk vehicle for a driver whether he is in the right or wrong. Bikers have some of the same problems on public streets. Imagine the carnage of early adolescents without helmets on electric scooters--or deaf/wearing earbuds pedestrians if the kids ride on the sidewalk for "safety".

millimesa Dec 03, 2018 09:34 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Just for reference, 99% of all vehicles and motorcycles traveling this route can be considered traveling at high speed. This college exit has dangerous visibility, especially when a bus or two are waiting and reduce visibility by half.

MasterChief Dec 04, 2018 08:36 AM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

How many accidents are needed B-4 a traffic signal gets installed @ silly college entrance!? It CAN be done!

PitMix Dec 04, 2018 08:32 AM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

This entrance played a major role in one of Sue Grafton's last books. Except it was in the mythical town of "Santa Theresa".

a-1544482510 Dec 03, 2018 08:42 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

No one needs to be cited. Enough has been seen and done today to make a lasting impact on several young lives. I drive there everyday and it is a horrible set up. Cars are constantly trying to rush out in front of oncoming traffic. You just kinda squint your eyes and pray. I see people in my mirrors getting all irritated but I am never going to play Frogger in my car! I can wait til it is clear both ways with time to spare. So they can too.

a-1544482510 Dec 03, 2018 08:28 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

It happened closer to 4 p.m. unfortunate so many college youngsters had to witness this, as they were waiting for the bus to pick them up.

CoastWatch Dec 03, 2018 07:03 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

I hope they cite and prosecute the errant driver who pulled out in front of the motorcyclist- F'in idiot!

TheTek Dec 03, 2018 08:31 PM
Fatal Motorcycle Accident Near SBCC

Just some, information and facts really don't matter.Tthey just want to post their one-sided opinions and move on. Unfortunately.....

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