By an edhat reader
Illegal burn near Cota and Garden Street. The subject is in a wheelchair lighting newspapers on fire.
Engine 71 and SBPD Responding.
PD put the fire out.
Engine 71 responding code 2..
I have heard of someone in a wheelchair doing this before unknown if it's for warmth or???
It is alittle chilly in the morning.
OPPS.....The subject has a warrant out of LA for arson.
Maybe he wasn't so chilly this morning.
He has another warrant out of Florida I guess maybe he travels..
The other warrant is for weed.
Cite and release only I guess he gets to stay in Santa Barbara..Sorry guys the Officer tried.
Pretty sure they arrested the guy I hope so he is on probation in Santa Monica for arson and he is registered so even lighting papers on fire is a violation...Heard there was a guy same description doing it in the State street underpass the other day. Here I thought it was a warming fire thing..
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank homeless Inc for inviting these people here tio destroy our city..Thank You very much here's another grant..
Roger, what is your solution to this?
There are a bunch of posts about problems that homeless are causing on Edhat this morning and it would be great if we could figure it out.
I was really lucky that I went to New House when I did in 1980 I was given the choice Work or Leave I chose to stay and work doing alot of the chores that were assigned to others who could not physically do them. At that time most of the residents were older men veterans of WW2 They were my Fathers something I needed in my life as my Father died when I was young 50 years ago the 21st of this month. New House was my Saving Grace....My solution is what worked for me "Work or Leave" Help the Handicapped, the senior citizens, the veterans, the mentally, and physically ill give the rest a choice "Work or Leave" For Room and Bored. I'd run Homeless Inc. out of town along with the ACLU...Those people are getting rich off Santa Barbara and they are helping themselves alot more than they are helping the homeless...
Excellent post Roger. Thanks for your first hand perspective.
Leave to where? Leave the Home or leave SB? I think a lot of people would be happy to send our homeless to Ventura. Ventura? Not so happy.
Slab City sounds like a good place to put the homeless. A lot of other people down there who do not want to fully participate in society, so they'll be in good company. Also, there's not much to burn down in that part of CA, so let them have at it.
Roger - A person sitting in their wheelchair and lighting a newspaper on fire is not arson. I've not heard of a "registered arsonist," what's your source? Given money problems with many law enforcement agencies I doubt they would extradite him for a minor crime. If the arson warrant is from "LA" (Louisiana) depending on property damage/injuries I doubt they will extradite. Too costly. If by "LA" you meant Los Angeles, I'll guess they might want the subject as they're close. I'd like to know if there is a legitimate need for the wheelchair. I'm guessing this person will be residing in SB unless identified issues relate to a major crime.
Really DOULIE Ha! It occurred this morning at Cota and Garden streets when posted he was taken into custody not sure for what but I'd bet on a violation of Arson what he has a warrant for and what he is on probation for..Are you really that ????? A person in a wheel chair cannot be arrested for Arson or be a registered Arsonist? Wow dude just Wow.. The police scanner is my source. I think your all nuts standing by and watching this town be destroyed while sucking up government grants I know 2 of you are employed by Homeless Inc aka the big con.
Roger - What occurred at Cota & Garden this morning, as reported was " - subject is in a wheelchair lighting newspapers on fire." From what I know this is not an act that can be identified as arson. When you write "not sure for what" (the person was in custody); and continue "I'd bet on a violation of Arson" is simply speculation and guessing. Anyone in a wheelchair (can) be arrested for arson or any other criminal violation.
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Roger, I cannot follow your attack on what you call "homeless incorporated." This just sounds like a lazy stereotype to allow folks to ignore the pain and reality behind the people on the street. For instance, the ACLU is not active in SB at present and has never had an economic interest in the success of its advocated goals. At the same time the number of homeless has grown everywhere. The idea that SB is unique in that is just short sighted perspective. The reasons are many, including the loss of even the least well paid work in the pandemic and the absurd increase in the cost of housing. Whatever percentage of the homeless have mental health issues (20-40%?) need intervention that does not exist. All the homeless need the opportunity for shelter (I know that they will not all take it). Then we can sort out what to do with the remaining population which might include designated camp sites, forced medical intervention and more traditional "loitering" type laws. But to just write this off as a peculiar Santa Barbara selfishness is not correct.
Thank you 9:38 for an intelligent and informed response to a comment that is the opposite.
Hey Marcel What's Up?
You can tell poverty pimps from other people by the expensive things they have drive, date, live in, wear and by how much they scream for more funding when there is more than enough and then some.
Mentally ill or just an arsonist, he will never be allowed into a shelter.
Roger has been there, done that...so, he writes truth. Grant money is wasted
The director (s) make too much and their "success" is negligible, at best. Rolling Stone magazine published an article on the "Industrial Complex" natural of huge grant money given for homes addicts, revealing the pathetic failure of these rograms. The high functioning , nonaddicted homeless are ignored since they don't guarantee big bucks in grants. Vancouver, B,C,, however, has a program that'gave $7,500.00 to HIGH FUNCTIONING homeless individuals....the success rate for this effort was over 80 percent! Compare this to the dismal "success" rate for the neatly packaged grant programs. Throwing money at so-called nonprofits is a fool's errand. And , yes I do have specific, creative and workable solutions which I will be presenting formally. One is to give Vans and or/ autos to High Functioning homeless...especially the elderly ones who are ignored. If you're alert , you will see them at night walking furtively with tidy rolling, small suitcases...trying to maintain a modicum of dignity. One thing addicts have in common with nonprofits is their love for excuses. Listen to Roger! It's rude and mean to ignore the voice of one who knows ...yet, ignoring such just means : throw money at the problem and hope a few will be truly helped. So far millions have been utterly wasted on stale programs. Fact.
Can we just send our homeless to Vancouver?
The Homeless need Education of how to camp they need stoves, sleeping bags and tents they need a big place to camp some where like Earl Warren Showgrounds. The homeless community needs leadership just like our housed community, The Homeless community is part of our community they have always been here and will always be here Send Homeless Inc. to Vancouver.
I was told long ago that the ACLU threatened to sue Santa Barbara for treating the homeless bad among other things giving the homeless tickets for sleeping outside over night. Santa Barbara and Laguna Beach I believe. Is this city under siege being held against our wills to put up with bad behaviors of law breakers by those we are told are mentally ill? I think Santa Barbara is under siege by these so called programs who promise to help the homeless but instead leave them to camp out along the freeway and the rail road tracks with out help unless of course they jump through hoops like caged animals at the zoo....
My impression is that some of the agencies that purport to help the homeless *have* had some success with some individuals, but the problem is so large and intractable that we don’t see any improvement. There are still far too many vagrants, or whatever we want to call them, who won’t or can’t be helped and who behave badly. I don’t have the answers. It seems that some current “solutions” are useful, but we might need more and different tactics. We really need to put an end to the fires that start in homeless camps. That seems like an obvious priority.
Would you like a perspective on Homeless, Inc.? Dial 211 and start listening to the rota of options, ALL social services paid for by tax dollars, all YOUR money dished out on salaries of well-meaning people to prop up the failures in our society. Jobs and cheap housing would solve most of the problems. Remember the Men's Club at Carillo & Chapala where the Ralph's is now? That took 100 men off the streets in dignity with single-room-occupancy.
Are there still any single-room-occupancy places? Maybe some old-fashioned boarding houses, with small private bedrooms, shared bathrooms, and some simple meals provided? I hear of places a bit like that being built for homeless people (like the new Tiny House Empowerment Village in Oakland). But are there any that are available in SB to any random person wanting to pay their own way, but not able to pay much? Like dorms, kind of. Just wondering.
There was going to be something like that on Alisos Street, to be run by the Salvation Army; it would have been for about 20 people, men, I think. This was about two years ago. The neighbors threw a fit and the project was stopped.
Lucky - Do you recall the house/hotel in the 100 block W. Carrillo Street, south side? I believe it was converted to a half-way house but not sure. This house sat back from the street and the front face was covered in ivy. I remember the YMCA at Carrillo & Chapala.
LUCKY 777, good points, but as Roger points out, there's those that DON'T want the problem fixed, as it would lead to a cessation of funds and that leads to empty pockets.
Get id of the possibility to cash in on the "houseless neighbor" problem and you'll immediately start seeing results!
Here in Isla Vista with that tent city in people's Park, we see the problem firsthand. It's either do-gooders trying to virtue signal how compassionate they are or organizations trying to introduce some form of pseudo-anarchist/socialist agenda or those making money off of the vagrant problem.
Regardless, it doesn't matter, that tent city is going bye-bye soon, but my concern is they're going to move off to harass and destroy other areas.
By the way, people need to stop blaming Reagan, Trump, housing prices, covid, PTSD ot whatever other convenient excuse used to defend these individuals harming the community.
None of those things caused the situation the majority of the vagrants to be living in the situation they're in. Try meth, heroin or crack, that'd be more accurate.
The "houseless neighbors" we have in Isla Vista, mainly junkies or tweakers who decided a chemical life was better than a responsible life, so they chose vagrancy.
As for the mentally ill, yes, I have a soft spot for them, but they get the help they need from the county. The ones that don't get help are the ones who REFUSE help, guess what they're into?
The approach you mention, noble and truthfully, effective, but there has to be a will to work and the meth, smack and crack, they override that will.
Lucky - chose to go downtown and the place I was thinking about is the the Hotel de Riviera, 100 bock W. Carrillo. This place has been there forever.
Roger, not to sound like Slick Willy, but yeah, I feel your pain. Try being here in Isla Vista where I am w/ the tent city down the street. Never a dull moment. BUT... that's coming to an end here soon, seems like the parks district is going to reclaim the park that already belongs to them. The problems we've had here, assaults, OD's, theft, shoplifting and recently... a rape. Where does it stop?
The intersting aspect to all this is if you do a study of the comments for and against the "houseless neighbors" you WILL see that the majority of people ARE fed up w/ their antics and whom you refer to as "homeless inc." in your comments.
The excuses being made are nothing less than ridiculous. Here's a comment made in defense of the "houseless neighbors" during a park district meeting:
"some houseless residents want to stay outdoors and avoid enclosed spaces after experiencing PTSD or having bad experiences in homeless shelters."
Seriously? PTSD? Here's a more adept and appropriate way of putting those words:
"some houseless residents want to stay outdoors and avoid enclosed spaces after experiencing being told "NO! You CAN'T do that!" and having to follow rules or having no access to meth or smack in homeless shelters."
Seriously, the community is fed up and when you have these individuals wantonly going around and inflicting their harm on the community, let's just say somebody's going to take the law into their own hands, it's already happened a couple of times here in Isla Vista.
If you did scanner reports from here, you'd see it's no different or maybe worse. Emergency response vehicles have to go to People's Park at least 2 times a day for the activities going on there.
As I said, I feel your pain. Those criticizing your points are part of the problem, the excuse makers and the perpetuators of this mess. Thank you for reporting it, not only how it is, but how you feel, the community NEEDS to know that.
Thank You Rypert.. I know the ones complaining about my opinions are not only part of the problem they make money off the homeless in one way or another. They don't want solutions they want more money for themselves they don't care about the homeless they only ones that do walk the talk these guys just talk a bunch of bull and treat Santa Barbara as if it is an uncaring community..It's the most caring community I have ever lived in I'm tired of seeing Santa Barbara get conned thank you for your comments.
What is the PD or Fire dept going to do when one of these fires get outta hand? its happened before I don't-I have to say-Will they say sorry we tried are best ,but what are we going to do now we have no tax payers money to fund us anymore because of our bad decisions and leadership