Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

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Does anyone know why Cox Communications has a monopoly in Santa Barbara? How come media has not pressured our public officials to make sure they improve?

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pxn Jun 09, 2019 12:42 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Can we run a candidate in each district specifically to end the monopoly?

rwelsh Jun 07, 2019 09:33 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Wow. Great discussion and lots of knowledge. Be very wary of 5G though. Research it. Its a whole new ballgame. The city is working very closely with the corporations who will benefit. There are fights in many cities right now to stop 5G from advancing, i.e. San Rafael CA. Check out: Stop5G [dot] net

Nature Boy Jun 07, 2019 08:54 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

“Unplug. Life still exists outside of electronic connections,” said the person, in a post on the internet.

a-1566671620 Jun 07, 2019 08:03 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Staffcontrols decisions. Rarely do Council members vote against staff. When COX monopoligy comes before Council with typically high rate increase,, it simply passes. The Public needs to mobilize to have any impact on COX. In ten years my $99 bundle service is now $220/month with the many taxes and fees. Between COX and City Water charged, it’s difficult to manage. As an elder on a fixed incoming, what do others do? Die when the money runs out? I refuse to be a street homeless.

John Wiley Jun 06, 2019 10:18 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Anyone want a mesh network? Way back in the '90s there was an SB based group called the SCTA (South Coast Telecommunications Alliance), and some advocated for a wireless network for fast inexpensive internet. They'd find a good high speed (i.e. fiber) connection and with an encrypted system each user would buy a wireless modem that would both send and receive data just like the internet does. The technology to do it is presumably cheaper and far more capable by now. It could scale up from one employee and as the coverage area spread from the fiber connection more could be hired if/as needed. The main drawback might be finding enough people willing to work together and get it going - or a for-profit local startup. Many cities are doing it top-down by simply contracting it out, but in SB maybe it would have to be bottom-up.

yacht rocked Jun 06, 2019 06:10 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

A couple of months ago there was a crew from So Cal Edison, with several large trucks and a giant spool of fiber-optic cable that was stringing a new line along Highway 150 near Rincon Hill. I talked to the guys and they told me SCE has lots of fiber all over the place, which they use to not only send control signals, security monitoring, etc, but they also rent 'dark fiber' to many other entities. It's a profit center, and they own the poles so why not. So...I don't see why someone else can't come along, rent their fiber, and compete. Yes, they would have to rent space on the poles for signal conversion equipment and getting it on a drop to your casa or apartment building, but it seems doable. Any communications attorneys in town who are fed up and want to push some local buttons?

ZeroHawk Jun 06, 2019 11:51 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

no monopoly, the fiber optic cables that exists work with Cox's system. ANY other competitor can move in, but they would have to pull out all of the old cabling and replace it with what works for their system, and so far, no one wants to do that. i hate cox. i just buy their internet to stream....

greytfull Jun 06, 2019 10:06 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

trying not to be naive here, but I see Dish & DirecTv dishes in some areas around town; can those people get competitive fees on internet use?

REX OF SB Jun 06, 2019 06:54 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

GREYTFULL: I have Dish Network for TV, but their internet fees are prohibitively expensive, so I'm still stuck with Cox. I have an appropriate slogan for them, should they care to use it: COX—WE DON'T CARE. WE DON'T HAVE TO.

PitMix Jun 06, 2019 11:44 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

I've heard of people using Hughes satellites to get internet in back country county areas, but I don't think the service matches Cox when it is working and it is not any cheaper.

Factotum Jun 06, 2019 09:41 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Unplug. Life still exists outside of electronic connections.

Frederick Jun 06, 2019 09:39 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

I pay Cox $70.00 a month for High Speed Internet. I looked into switching to Spectrum which is much cheaper but the don't have Fiber Optic lines where we live (Bishop Diego HS area). Really pisses me off we don't have any other choice and must pay these Cox suckers so much for high speed internet.

a-1566671620 Jun 06, 2019 09:59 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Yeah it really sucks that high speed internet transmitted over coaxial or fiber optic is so much more expensive than dial-up... aka champagne taste on a beer budget.

GeneralTree Jun 06, 2019 09:21 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

"How come media has not pressured our public officials to make sure they improve?" You're assuming that the media is some type of co-equal branch of government and it is not.

PitMix Jun 06, 2019 09:17 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

I bet a small group of dedicated citizens could work on this and apply pressure to the City to get everyone a decent low-cost public alternative to Cox. But it won't happen unless someone does this. I am willing!

a-1566671620 Jun 06, 2019 08:36 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

My understanding is that Cox basically owns the cable infrastructure and has some sort of contracts with the city, and they won't allow another company to use or upgrade the wires/system. It's a franchise of sorts.

RHS Jun 06, 2019 08:29 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

People seem to want "socialism" when it offers relief from capitalistic excess. We do have the power and justifiable right to allow the public to fight back when this happens. Unfortunately the companies are generally in it for a longer time and keep their eye on their goals while our politicians come and go and are often bought off. Minimally there needs to be regulation but look at what has happened to that in the area of utilities where PG&E and SCE are ripping us off by getting the commissions that are there to limit them to do their bidding after being wined and dined by these formerly public friendly companies.

mtndriver Jun 06, 2019 07:56 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Here’s an article that addresses the indignation: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/07/bad-ratings

jak Jun 06, 2019 07:55 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Parvopup pretty much nailed it. Cox has a monopoly because they bought out Santa Barbara Cable Television back in the dark ages and then slowly expanded west. In this day and age the cable monopolies are not justifiable technologically anymore. Existing poles can easily carry fiber optic and coax lines for half a dozen players without degeneration of the landscape, especially now that landline phones are dying out. The low population density excuses pretty much fail in south county as well. There are cities that allow any player to come in and serve the people as long as they are able to demonstrate that they can follow certain basic rules. I lived in an isolated town of under 5000 for a few months last year. We had over a dozen choices for internet service (and half a dozen tv providers if we had been interested). Fifty bucks a month for 50MPS internet with $20 for installation and no contract (free installation if we had taken a six month contract). In an area as densely populated as Santa Barbara/Goleta competition would drive prices for basic internet way down.

sbbeachguy Jun 06, 2019 07:23 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

5G is supposed to be fast enough for TV streaming and Internet service. It will be primarily for "fixed" service to start and with no cables (just a 5G modem) may finally give Cox a run for their money. In the meantime I'm jealous of those with Spectrum service - cheaper, faster and no contracts, according to their ads.

Luvaduck Jun 06, 2019 10:58 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Not that you get the speed you pay for on basic service. I look at my reception #s occasionally when it seems unusually slow. Sometimes it's much less.

euvnairb Jun 06, 2019 08:13 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

5G isn't going to do squat when you have to deal with silly data caps. You'll just get to your cap faster. Also, the piss poor cell phone reception in the Goleta/SB area aren't going to help either.

Luvaduck Jun 06, 2019 11:00 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

That's true to some extent, but until they allow a "Chinese menu" of service options, the sports channels in particular absorb much more than their share to spite the fact that many households, particularly female headed ones, don't watch sports.

SantaBarbaraObserver Jun 06, 2019 07:25 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Look around, everything is more expensive, everything. Heck, even our city raises rates on everything you do 5% a year. Not that I am defending Cox but you can get 100mb for +/- $100 a month. Remember that not too long ago you had to pay $1000's a month for this type of speed. But yes, the city is in bed with Cox. Look at your bill, look for the taxes and fees listed on the bottom, you may be surprised. Cox employs a full time person whose job is to lobby, I mean manage, the city. Take them out to lunch, buy them nice things and probably slip cash into their pockets while assuring that Cox's interest, not yours, are kept in check. Santa Barbara is as corrupt as anyplace. The unions pay off the politicians, the big business buy the unions, Joe gets his nieces and nephews jobs, favors are done, contracts rewarded, zoning issues ignored... Business as usual in paradise. But fear not, 5g will steal Cox's monopoly and you'll just hand over your money and your privacy to Verizon or ATT... That'd be better right?

a-1566671620 Jun 06, 2019 01:44 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

But Matt, that may be true about t.v. however their internet charges have outpaced inflation exponentially. That’s where I feel gouged every month as I pay their bill.. also, it’s a bit obnoxious to get repeated notices that “your bill is due in x amount of days”. I finally junked that spamming to avoid the annoyance. I think 9 out of 10 consumers would tell that they feel gouged by Cox.

channelcat5 Jun 05, 2019 09:39 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

I watched a City official having lunch one day with a fellow I didn’t recognize... push over a fat envelope. Bam! Cash full. Suddenly.... they switch sides. That’s how it’s done.

a-1566671620 Jun 06, 2019 09:44 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

RED CREEK... you know the saying "don't believe everything you read on the internet?" Particularly in the last couple of years since a certain blowviator has promoted lying and deception to a whole new cultural norm... aren't we great?

Red Creek Jun 06, 2019 09:13 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Pray tell who was the official? Not illegal to report a felony.

icanreadcanyou Jun 05, 2019 06:39 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

The FCC has been chaired & populated by former telco/cable people for quite a while. So long as those people are in power nothing will be done.

ednsb Jun 05, 2019 05:22 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Public purchasing requires multiple bidders on any contract above an amount BUT they can decide to sole source if they feel it is in the best interest. In the case of Cox, they have pushed through their pricing increases, etc with little or no resistance. It is in the interest of our communities we aren't held hostage to them and make our politicians understand that is the first step. Make them require competitive bids and allow for multiple companies like most big urban areas where the cost of the same services we get or better are a fraction of what we pay. There was a guy who ran for the sb city council last time on a platform about cox. He didn't win. So it's like the movie Network- we are tired of it and won't take it anymore.

grloustalot Jun 05, 2019 04:59 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Cox has been robbing us blind for decades while the Mayor(s)and city council(s) sit on their hands. It’s really a bad deal for consumers.

a-1566671620 Jun 05, 2019 04:32 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

I have been asking when this "Monopoly Deal" ends for a long time and never received an answer yet. I just happen to be so sick of the outrageous prices that I have been shopping deals from DirecTV today! They definitely beat out Cox in every category and you get even more channels to choose from or not.

Becky Jun 05, 2019 04:23 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

The real question is, "When does the Cox monopoly end?" There may be different "renewal" dates for SB County, SB City, and Goleta. If so, what are those respective end/ renewal/ review dates? The outrageously high rates are everyone's main complaint, not the general level of service (on internet & TV). Who reviews whether Cox has recouped their investment in the cable (other than Cox)?

Z Jun 05, 2019 03:49 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Is this a real query or some socialist dupe provocation? Cox owns its monopolies because it bought them.

a-1566671620 Jun 06, 2019 09:46 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

@ 9:36 - haha, ok looks like you're having trouble understanding the irony of someone named "PITMIX" calling out someone named "Z" for posting anonymously on the internet. Sorry if I touched a nerve!

a-1566671620 Jun 06, 2019 09:36 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

@9:19AM... at least "PITMIX" is a recognized user day in an day out. You? Not so much.

PitMix Jun 06, 2019 09:16 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

You can see the fake name by left clicking in the black and dragging the cursor over to highlight it. In this case they have chose the enigmatic name of "Z". Isn't the anonymous internet a wonderful thing?

a-1566671620 Jun 05, 2019 08:52 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Edhat user with masked identity (cleverly figured out choosing a black box and black type are an option)- What a ridiculous comment! The POINT is we should have a choice. COX should NOT have a monopoly here.

a-1566671620 Jun 05, 2019 03:45 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

Man, you must be new here. We've been screwed by the Cox monopoly for decades. Media pressure local public officials to improve? That is hilarious...made my day!

a-1566671620 Jun 05, 2019 03:17 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

State and local governments gave early cable companies exclusive contracts in exchange for building new cable lines. Watch this clip of "Adam Ruins Everything" and he explains how cable companies built their empire to screw us over-----https://www.trutv.com/shows/adam-ruins-everything/videos/how-the-government-created-tech-monopolies.html------ All sources are here: https://www.trutv.com/shows/adam-ruins-everything/blog/adams-sources/adam-ruins-the-internet.html

Luvaduck Jun 06, 2019 11:06 AM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

"Fair" isn't a word that applies to an oligopoly or monopoly.

ParvoPup Jun 05, 2019 11:18 PM
Why a Cox Cable Monopoly?

You are the closest to the truth. The "monopoly" of single cable actually began with the telephones. In the early days, tens of competing companies ran their own cables and lines from pole to pole. There are photos from the 1920s and 30's showing phone poles with 30 or 40 sets of cables - each belonging to a different company. This chaos led to Public Utility Commissions (PUC) who, to bring order to the mess, decided to give companies sole rights to an area - sections of a city, or a small town or a whole county. This is why you have only Frontier in SB but ATT in Ventura - they basically hopscotched counties to be fair. Along comes cable TV and the same rules were applied - Company A gets this town and Company B gets that one.

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