Vaccinated Californians to Continue Wearing Masks Indoors Until June 15

May 17, 2021, 3:07 am 16.5k Views 125 Comments

By edhat staff

The California Department of Public Health (CDPH) is advising vaccinated Californians to continue wearing face masks indoors until June 15.

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) released new guidance last week and stated vaccinated people no longer need to wear a mask or physically distance in any setting, except where required by federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial laws, rules, and regulations, including local business and workplace guidance. 

California is planning to implement these new CDC guidelines on June 15, the date when Governor Gavin Newsom plans to lift all COVID-19 restrictions for the state. California Health and Human Services Secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly stated this four-week period will give Californians time to prepare for the change while the state continues to focus on delivering vaccines, particularly in underserved communities.

“We urge all Californians to get vaccinated to ensure that infection and hospitalization rates remain low across the state and that we can all return to the activities we love. Until June 15, when California plans to fully reopen the economy, California will keep our existing guidance around masks in place,” wrote Dr. Ghaly in a public statement.

Since May 3, face coverings have not been required for outdoor gatherings except at crowded events and for unvaccinated people when physical distancing cannot be maintained. In indoor settings outside of one’s home including public transportation and schools, face coverings are required regardless of vaccination status,” wrote Dr. Ghaly.

California has administered more than 34 million vaccines and is among the lowest case and positivity rates in the nation.

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  2. BABY – you’d be surprised. Every business, bank, restaurant, etc I’ve been to in the last week since the CDC made its announcement STILL requires masks. It will be longer than June 15th for many businesses, as they can’t tell who’s vaxxed and who isn’t. Don’t burn your mask just yet…….

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  6. BABY – I’m talking about what I’ve seen in businesses. They can’t tell who is vaxxed or not, so they’re erring on the side of caution. I’m fully vaxxed and don’t wear a mask anymore anywhere unless required by the business I’m entering. BUT…. I think a lot of businesses are going to continue the rule after June 15, that’s all. I can see their point though, with so many refusing to get vaccinated, you never know who is really vaxxed!

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  10. School closures (against CDC recommendations), beach closures, outdoor mask requirements, outdoor dinning bans, reopening tiers based on a communities distance to liquor stores and parks (healthy places index) , cannabis and liquor stores as essential services (while schools aren’t), continued mask mandates for the vaccinated (also against CDC recommendations), among many many others, are not based on science or data, even the “science” and data available when these decisions were made.

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  12. 351: Let’s just go ahead and follow science and reason, no…? And science, reason and logic are all saying that mask mandates are not necessary anymore. You can keep wearing yours FOREVER though…go for it…sounds fun!!!!

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  13. 3:51 PM – If only you would read the CDC recommendations on the CDC web page instead of getting your views from disinfotainment sources, you would know that the CDC recommends mask wearing for vaccinated people in all kinds of dicey situations.

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  15. What part of “except where required by federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial laws, rules, and regulations, including local business and workplace guidance ” do the covidiots here have such trouble understanding?

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  20. It’s amazing how desperate the covidiots are to fight the CDC…they know better…they will be fully vaccinated and fully masked forever!!!! Give me two masks…goggles…gloves…I am grabbing the mail!!!!!

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  29. 4:41 and 4:44: Since you’ve made that contrafactual claim about masks before, here is the refutation, for about the fourth time:
    https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/scicheck-posts-distort-cdc-study-supporting-masks-mandates-to-reduce-covid-19/
    To quote the relevant part:
    How Growth Rate Finding Was Distorted
    On March 6, Fox News’ Laura Ingraham tweeted that the study found mask mandates and restaurant restrictions “have a small impact” on COVID-19 cases and deaths. Later that day, an unreliable Twitter account called Breaking911 created a tweet thread about the new study, falsely claiming that it found “mask mandates lower COVID cases by around 1.5% over a two month period.”
    But as we already explained, the study is not showing a decrease in the number of cases and deaths but a decrease in the growth rate of the daily cases and deaths.
    “Because the growth rate is exponential,” the impact compounds, José Luis Jiménez, an analytical and atmospheric chemist at the University of Colorado Boulder who was not involved in the study, told us. “So, it’s kind of like your mortgage — you change your interest a little bit, and then you save a ton of money. Because the cases compound.”
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
    Data regarding the “real-world” effectiveness of community masking are limited to observational and epidemiological studies.
    An investigation of a high-exposure event, in which 2 symptomatically ill hair stylists interacted for an average of 15 minutes with each of 139 clients during an 8-day period, found that none of the 67 clients who subsequently consented to an interview and testing developed infection. The stylists and all clients universally wore masks in the salon as required by local ordinance and company policy at the time.32
    In a study of 124 Beijing households with > 1 laboratory-confirmed case of SARS-CoV-2 infection, mask use by the index patient and family contacts before the index patient developed symptoms reduced secondary transmission within the households by 79%.33
    A retrospective case-control study from Thailand documented that, among more than 1,000 persons interviewed as part of contact tracing investigations, those who reported having always worn a mask during high-risk exposures experienced a greater than 70% reduced risk of acquiring infection compared with persons who did not wear masks under these circumstances.34
    A study of an outbreak aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, an environment notable for congregate living quarters and close working environments, found that use of face coverings on-board was associated with a 70% reduced risk.35
    Investigations involving infected passengers aboard flights longer than 10 hours strongly suggest that masking prevented in-flight transmissions, as demonstrated by the absence of infection developing in other passengers and crew in the 14 days following exposure.36,37
    There are many more, but they just hammer the same point home. Masks work. At this point, only a complete ignoramus pushing a political agenda would say otherwise.

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  35. I had my second Pfizer shot over 2 weeks ago. I cannot transmit COVID. There is no scientific reason for me to continue wearing a mask. If any business requires this of me, I will take my business elsewhere.

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  39. “California Health and Human Services Secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly stated this four-week period will give Californians time to prepare for the change”
    Sorry, but I don’t need a 4-week notice to remove my mask!
    When the masks became required, there was no 4-week notice, in fact it was more like “It’s now required by everyone, or be subject to fines….

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  41. Newsom only follows the political science. Texas and Florida abandoned mandatory masks a long time ago and Armageddon didn’t materialize. There is no reason to keep fully vaccinated people masked up. If you don’t trust the science of vaccines then each day you are sliding towards being a fearful mask clinger. I suspect the mid June date he chose must have something to timing after the end of the school year. What a poor leader, I hope he is recalled.

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  43. Forcing vaccinated people to remain masked only perpetuates fear needlessly. If you are not vaccinated and you have comorbidities, then you should you should be very careful and think about getting vaccinated ASAP.
    If you are vaccinated, your personal risk of Covid is dramatically diminished and your ability transmit Covid is basically nil. For the state of California to treat vaccinated people as the greatest threat to humanity is pointless and overbearing. There is little science from the state of California only raw political power to advance social agendas.

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  44. California under Newsom is minimizing the number of citizens infected and killed. It’s the freedumb crowd with their nonsensical demands and expensive but futile recall theater who are pushing an antisocial agenda. What about those infection rates in Texas and Florida, eh?

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  46. Texas is looking good… why did you stop doing your weekly Texas update? Oh that’s right… you confused weekly with daily… it’s ok… it could happen to anyone blinded with tunnel vision partisan madness…

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  48. Miami’s population is denser than Los Angeles, but yes is less dense than SF. Did you look at the age breakdown? We truly aren’t doing better…we just have a lot less (proportionally) people of the primary dying age of COVID.

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  49. Looking at deaths is a measure of the resilience of the healthcare system in the face of asinine political decisions to open up. When they get overwhelmed, deaths go up even more than they would in the case of rising infections. Bravo to the healthcare systems in Florida and Texas that are being unnecessarily burdened by their state government policies.

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  53. Sac – Perhaps it wasn’t you, but quite a few people on here have talked about how effective Newsome and California was with direct links and comparison to Florida. If you look at the numbers though, California didn’t do better. And honestly, when you look at the numbers Florida actually DID better…they just had a much higher percentage of their population in the COVID age range where death is much more likely.

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  54. Sac that’s a change of tune from your prior comments but we’re glad to have you on board in realizing CA would be in nearly the exact same spot without closing schools, without losing the publics trust, without destroying our economy, without forcing hundreds of thousands out of job, and without closing down thousands of small businesses that will never reopen.

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  55. Yesterday Florida had 1,976 new Covid Cases and California had 1,391
    The 7 day average for Floirda is 3,125 and while the 7 day average for California is 1,522
    All with California having twice the population.
    Is this because Florida is doing better than California – or is this because of the misinformed anti-vaxxers?

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  56. Except…they didn’t! Florida’s policies led to no additional burden. In fact, a lower percentage of their over 75 residents died than in California…they just have a proportionally much higher number of people over 75. So…California accomplished nothing except steal a year of school from our kids and nearly lead in the country in unemployment rate…win-win-win!

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  57. Generaltree – I know you wont go to the CDC for numbers, but again, here it is:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
    You are so blinded by misinformation that you cant take a step back and look that all those domestic terrorists in Florida with their schools being open all year and theme parks open all year and what not actually did better than California in terms of deaths over the last 14 months.

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  58. Duke can’t or won’t explain current Covid numbers in Florida. Half the population with higher case load. Is that because Floridians aren’t wearing masks – or is it because they aren’t vaccinated?

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  59. GT – The pandemic has ebbs and flows…you get that right? California and Florida have had peaks and valleys at the same times…and at differing times, often of late mirroring the various variants (see Michigan not too long ago). California is at 39% vaccinated to Florida’s 36%…so sure…there is a win for California. The metrics that matter though are hospitalizations and deaths and ultimately by total number…right?

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  60. Sac – California has twice the population of Florida but nearly three times as many deaths in the 0-65 age demo…
    Considering the unemployment rates and school closure effects, it’s pretty hard to say Florida didn’t do the better job. Make sense?

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  63. Oh now he says it ebbs and flows. haha.
    Duke according to you the numbers are about deaths – unless it comes to elderly? For every million residents of California, 1,385 Californians have died of COVID-19. But for every million residents of Florida, 1,538 Floridians have died of COVID-19. And for every million Californian residents, there have been about 91,000 confirmed coronavirus cases; for every million Floridian residents, there have been about 94,000 cases.

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  64. GT – You do realize California had more deaths in the 75+ than California…right?
    California 75-84 deaths – 15669
    Florida 75-84 deaths – 10,035
    California 85 and older deaths – 16475
    Florida 85 and older deaths – 9686
    And who is trivializing them?? COVID kills senior citizens at exponentially higher rates. The same percentage of the states population of the 75+ in California died as died in Florida…nothing we did helped or made a difference, unless you count being a wildly expensive place to retire and as such having less older people.

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  65. But California’s state budget outlook is surprisingly robust. While unemployment rose sharply through much of 2020, millions of middle-class and high-wage workers were able to keep their jobs and work from home. Tax collections also rose after a strong stock market boosted capital gains earned by the state’s wealthiest taxpayers. While California is forecasting a state budget windfall, Florida is grappling with a state budget shortfall.

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  66. Ummmm…have you looked at any graph…of Covid…from anywhere…ever?
    Do you not understand that COVID disproportionally kills older people? And as such, places with higher proportions of older people were in trouble?

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  67. And how did I say it wasn’t about the elderly? It’s all about the elderly! That’s who the 95% of people who have died of COVID are!!!! If you compare an elementary school with a retirement home, are you really going to conclude the elementary school did better because less people died. When you actually factor in age demographics California did worse than Florida…definitively.

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  68. I’m certainly no economist…so…I’ll defer to you on the state budget as that certainly is a win for California. That being said though…It just doesn’t feel real or right as the unemployment numbers are much worse here and a lot of businesses are shuttered. I guess the wildly wealthy made a ton this year and paid a lot in taxes…wohoo!!!

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  69. Sac…you couldn’t be more right. Arguing with Generaltree though is more akin to drive home from Vegas…it’s painful, you feel lousy and your wondering what the heck you are doing with your life.
    A lot of people on Edhat though seemed to think all the closures (school and businesses) were for the best…it’s slightly hard to let go of how tough that year was for seemingly no purpose. The Covidiots wouldn’t listen to logic or reason…

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  70. Sac – you are right. Can’t argue with Duke – he counts on one hand. Get’s his abacus from Fox. Can’t analyze or interpet independently of outside political influence. Probably mad he missed his John Birch meeting today.

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  71. GeneralTree – Did you look at the numbers? Were you able to open the CDC website? Were you able to find the table that shows the breakdown on deaths? If not I copied and pasted it for you. You are right…less per 100k people died in California than Florida. When you take out the over 75 age group though, more (per 100k) died in California than Florida. And when you look at the (per 100k) of people over 75, more died in California than Florida. In essence, all the additional babies, toddlers, teenagers, millenialls, Gen Z’ers brought California’s numbers down?
    Is that something you can’t understand…or? Here’s an extreme example, which institution (f everyone get’s sick) is going to have more deaths…an elementary school or a retirement home. With COVID it’s truly brutal if you are over 75…and Florida has a lot more over 75 year olds!!

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  73. DUKE MUNSON – are you ok? You sound like you are busting a vein man. You are saying Florida “did” better than California on Covid. I disagree. If people on the outside of those homes had masked up and stayed home and followed all the rules – I believe your elderly numbers would be lower. If we had the same death rate – we would have 6,000 more deaths here in California. I believe it was you taunting the unemployment rate but not mentioning the budget windfall of California vs the budget deficit of Florida. . While unemployment rose sharply through much of 2020, millions of middle-class and high-wage workers were able to keep their jobs and work from home. Tax collections also rose after a strong stock market boosted capital gains earned by the state’s wealthiest taxpayers. Your numbers take nothing into account for the percentage of minorities effected, population densities, or other factors. Yet your Floridians cases are still much higher than California and the trend towards vaccination much lower. I think you are just angry.

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  76. Masks are still recommended by the CDC (the Science!) indoors for those that aren’t vaccinated. They are mandated for all by California (because they know better than the CDC? ). Necessary, they are not.

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  77. Masks and the associated restrictions are important for much more than Covid. The last year or so has really helped enlighten our society about the importance of maintaining good hygiene and more structured social interactions. For example, many more advanced cultures have long recognized the harm caused by close physical contact, particularly between members of the opposite sex. Can you believe that little over a year ago, we would tolerate a young man and a young woman meeting for the first time and engaging in close physical embrace?!?! Absolutely shocking! Now we have come to our senses and adopted much more hygienic standards of behavior. Much like we will continue to wear masks, we will continue to prohibit people from engaging in the germ spreading and socially corrupting practice of dancing.

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  78. What would be the purpose of wearing a mask if you’re fully immunized?There’s absolutely no need for me to continue wearing a mask for the sake of my health or anyone else’s. I don’t see what’s immature about that at all. I base my actions on science, not fear or paranoia or anything else.

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  79. As far as “instant gratification” goes, I’ve been wearing a mask for over a year, mostly for the sake of other people (the elderly, the sick and the morbidly obese), I patiently waited my turn for the vaccine (unlike many other people, who skipped the line), and now that I am fully immunized, and no harm to myself or anyone else, I am going maskless everywhere. Anyone who has a problem with that can go screw themselves.

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  80. GeneralTree: A Snowflake trophy is definitely in order for these upset whiners. We could take your “Catcher of the Year” trophy from 2020, scratch out the word “Catcher” with scissors, and use a Sharpie markerto scrawl in “sNoWflAke” You could even do the presentation ceremony with your masks on …. now that would be a peach!

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  82. The cdc change applies to areas that do not have a set mandate already. Unincorporated areas etc.
    June 15th is still our date cause we have a state mandate and the cdc recommends following that.
    To the ban businesses comment. Hows the “no shirt no shoes no service “ restriction working out? Oh yea cause its a private buisness and they can require what they want.
    Were getting back to normal but now we are filled with toxic people that feel like they need to fight everything. All the complainers did your constant moaning about masks change anything? Did the fight stop the virus? Did your actions help our community/society prevail? When you realize it had no benefit other than to stroke your own ego you will understand. Good luck out there.

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  83. Pretty much everyone who really cares has been vaccinated by now at least once. Masks have minimal effect on the spread of the virus and that minimal effect was well worth the price of admission back when it was the only thing that we could do other than not going indoors near other people. With vaccines though, the masks quickly become silly. Kind of like walking indoors during a rainstorm and not putting away your umbrella.
    Yes, I know that children are still not vaccinated but children have nor been very susceptible to this infection and have not been big spreaders, plus masks on children have not proven to be even minimally effective in a number of studies.

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  85. Thank god people to reopen the schools! Thinking likes yours would have kept our schools closed through August (after already needlessly keeping it closed through the winter). Your actions didn’t help society prevail… and made everything worse… so yeah… thanks !

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  86. To the vaccinated it doesn’t matter if the unmasked people are or aren’t vaccinated… you are good to go! I know your inclination is to close and stop everything… but you’ve been ignoring the science from the very beginning and thank god saner minds are prevailing. For god sakes you didn’t want schools to open till August!

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  89. Many of the “rules” regarding covid infections were developed very early in the pandemic, based on petri dish experiments, according to a friend who is a public health specialist. Later, the parameters were expanded to include studies based on actual spread of the virus. Now, after months of studies on actual vaccinated (and unvaccinated) people, the CDC and others have discovered that vaccinated people don’t catch or spread the virus, the numbers of formerly infected have also grown to herd immunity size, and generally the incidence of infection will continue to drop to low numbers. In SB County, we are easily below the lowest artificial yellow “tier” created by the state. Check out the data for yourself at: https://publichealthsbc.org/data/ . So masks off.

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  90. @9:08 for you to make that comment with a straight face you’d have to 1) completely turn a blind eye to the multitude of negative, long-term health and wellness issues created by our State response (covid health above all else!), acknowledge that CA did not follow the science but took the political path and arbitrarily made every NPI stricter than recommended (because our state bureaucrats know better than the CDC, WHO, American Academy of Pediatrics, etc.) and 3) completely ignore data from the CDC that shows States like Florida, with a much older population and ZERO RESTRICTION SINCE SEPTEMBER 2020!, had comparable covid numbers to CA – RESTRICTIONS STILL IN PLACE DESPITE CDC GUIDANCE – all the while FL having a much older population.

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  92. If you look at the trend link I posted on the CDC site, deaths per 100k over time. CA and FL kept switching back and forth and you’re simply not able to say one state “did it better” ESPECIALLY after our insane winter spike.

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  93. VOR – great link! Yeah, Florida’s 102 cases per 100/K in the last 7 days compared to CA’s 26 is really helping out your whole “Florida is better” theory. Oh, were you going to try to say that FL’s 10,472 to our 9,275 total per 100/K is your “proof?” Haha, ok go for it. Keep trying……..

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  95. Sac conveniently doesn’t look at information that doesn’t reflect his preferred narrative. We’re talking about how CA and FL have handled the pandemic, comparing deaths/100k since the beginning, he focuses on the last seven days ignoring the past 14 months. Conversely, when I was previously pointing out how open Florida has less current cases than re-lockdowned CA during the winter, Sac couldn’t stop talking about the totals since the beginning.

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  97. Sac – Look at deaths per 100k. California is at 158 (per 100k) and Florida is at 167 (per 100k). 95% of COVID deaths are of people over 55 years old.
    Check out this graph from the CDC:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
    California deaths 0-17 year olds – 30
    Florida deaths 0-17 year olds – 14
    California deaths 18-29 – 348
    Florida deaths 18-29 – 117
    California 30-39 year old death – 1084
    Florida 30-39 deaths – 317
    California 40-49 year old deaths – 2805
    Florida 40-49 year old deaths -911
    California 50-64 year old deaths – 12862
    Florida deaths 50-64 year olds – 4675
    California 65-74 year old deaths – 14494
    Florida 65-74 deaths – 7324
    California 75-84 deaths – 15669
    Florida 75-84 deaths – 10,035
    California 85 and older deaths – 16475
    Florida 85 and older deaths – 9686
    When you break it down by age, Florida is quite simply doing better. Yes, they have half as many people…but look at the numbers!!! Florida has about 1/3 of the deaths of California in all age brackets until you get to the 65 to 74 when it’s 1/2 the deaths. Considering Florida has 1.4 million people over the age of 75 (while California has 1.7 million), the percentages continue to tilt to Florida.

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  98. If California had Florida’s death rate, roughly 6,000 more Californians would be dead from COVID-19, and tens of thousands of additional patients likely would have landed in already overburdened hospitals. And if Florida had California’s death rate, roughly 3,000 fewer Floridians would be dead from COVID-19.

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  99. So Duke what you are saying is that if California followed Florida’s model – California would have had 6,000 more deaths and that is ok with you? Just wanted to be clear that is what you are syaing.

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  100. GT – COVID killed older people at wildly disproportionate rates than younger people. Florida has a much higher population of older people. So if you actually care to look at the numbers, Florida did better than California…we just have a much lower percentage of people 75+.

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  106. There’s a lot of disinformation (harmful misinformation) being spread by the gang of garrulous covidiots in this thread. Here’s what the CDC has to say about that nonsense:
    Mask effectiveness:
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
    Effectiveness of non-pharmaceutical interventions (masks and shutdowns):
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e3.htm?s_cid=mm7010e3_w

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  107. That is disinformation and straight up propoganda @2:17! If masks and closures had a “measurable, large effect” then when looking at a graph of cases/100k over time you would have seen a large spike when Florida completely opened back in September (they didn’t) and a decline in cases when CA increased restrictions and banned outdoor dinning in the winter (they didn’t and spiked higher than FL ever did). In the link below, select CA and FL, daily, cases/100k. With FL zero restrictions since September 2020 and CA STILL under heavy restrictions how can you look at that and say the masks and closures had “measurable, large effect”? https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#compare-trends_newcasesper100k

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  111. GC – That is correct, which I noted multiple times, however when you actually look at the posted CDC numbers California’s numbers are better simply due to the fact that we have less elderly. 95% of the people dying from COVID are the elderly…and Florida has drastically more elderly than California (per capita). So great…less per capita in California died…but more capita in every single age group died in California in Florida! Since we have millions more youth though, that, like the much less per capita Florida youth didn’t die, it drops out per capita death rate below.

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  113. I’m going to counter with a “We all lost” read aloud in morgan freeman’s voice from the night he thought Andy had taken his own life in the Shawshank…
    Except pitmix!!!! Who was hoping for schools to stay closed till August!!! Didn’t get all schools, but quite a few are staying closed till August… despite anything and everything the cdc has said… so yes… “pitmix wins” must be read around in best James Earl Jones voice!

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  114. Sac, you keep trying to make this about the mask. It isn’t about the mask! It’s about arbitrary non-science based mandates and restrictions that did nothing to curtail the spread of the virus (but caused significant harm) with politicians constantly talking about “following the science” then ignoring the science when they don’t like it and flat out making up “science” to try and justify their political actions. It’s about the damage the for-profit media has done to our society broadcasting straight up fear porn to our population where we now have fully vaccinated people who are too scared to take off their masks outside (which is supposed to protect others and not themselves?). If the unnecessarily
    fearful kept to themselves fine, but they don’t, they’ve been calling into city council meetings, school board meetings, supervisors meetings and affecting policies that are detrimental to those of us with a more rational and fact based view of our current situation. I doesn’t matter who is vaxxed and who isn’t when the vaccines work and everyone who wants one can get one. If you think it will be just a little while longer, I bet you also believed it would just be 15 days to flatten the curve…

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  115. VOR – it’s really not all that bad, stop stressing yourself out so much. It’s just a mask during a pandemic. No need to wear it anywhere unless your asked/required to and then just do it. It doesn’t harm you. You and DUKE need to just let it go. It’s over. Relax.

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  116. Sac – I do think you are underestimating the emotional and psychological toll of the persistent excessive fear mongering. People (and especially kids) are resilient…but there is a tangible effect to this that I think will persist for awhile. Just to annoy Cwazny I’ll liken it to gun control…the fear of mass shootings in schools is real…and has a tangible effect on kids. (Yes Yes…I know it’s slightly clunky but I’m trying to say that less guns will lead to less fear and less anti-science fear mongering will lead to less fear).

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  119. VOR – you’re a fool, I get that. But don’t be a scared fool as well. I get that your and DUKE have been traumatized by all the “fear,” but rest assured, most of us are living happily and don’t mind having to continue wearing a mask in some situations. Don’t be such a scared little guy, man up!

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  120. I think many people here are are incorrectly assessing the potential benefits of masks. At one point in time, the experts said that masks would put a stop to covid within weeks. They were wrong. At one point in time experts advised wearing masks outdoors. It turns out masks have no benefit outdoors. Here is an interesting article about how some people are reluctant to give up there masks. What I find particularly interesting is the man interviewed in this article wears a cloth mask on top of an N95 mask as well as goggles. In spite of taking those precautions, he got covid. Masks do little, if anything, to protect against covid transmission, yet people are comfortable being in public when they wear them. Vaccines, on the other hand, are extremely effective yet many people are afraid to rely on them. https://www.yahoo.com/news/theyre-vaccinated-keeping-masks-maybe-123430683.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink

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  121. CHIP – Bingo! No masks outside, never needed them. Get vaxxed! Simple. Stop crying (VOR and DUKE looking at you) and get vaxxed and go out and enjoy life again like the rest of us! You’re free! Go outside!

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  123. Sac, I never wore a mask outside. I have been going outside and enjoying myself since covid began because I correctly assessed that doing so was not a significant risk. I don’t care if you prefer to wear a mask, but I am truly sick and tired of a vocal minority of people forcing me to wear a mask in order to enter certain businesses. You can wear a mask if you want, but you have no right to use state and local government to make me comport with your religious beliefs by wearing a mask whenever I go into a store.

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  124. DUKE – yeah, getting CWAZNY all CWAZY is hoot. I know we all agree on this stuff, I just don’t get why VOR is losing his sh^$ still when we’re all good now. School is back, businesses are open, etc etc. Yeah, CA screwed up on some stuff, but hindsight is 20/20. We needed masks, we needed some closures (bars, theaters, concerts, etc), we need distancing (which by its nature, required some closing). We made a ton of sacrifices, some we didn’t need to make, BUT IT IS OVER NOW. Time to live again. VOR is free to whine and moan here all day long, but it’s silly and useless at this point. You see?

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