Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

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Transients are terrorizing employees at Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf on 811 State Street. The employees are hiding in the back room, SBPD is responding.

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a-1574074704 Nov 20, 2018 09:28 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Last time I was at the Habit on Milpas there was a transient laying halfway aside the entrance refusing to move. My son and I frequent the batting cages next door to the Habit. There is always a variety of transients. The antagonizing and truculent (not mention occasionally disgusting) behavior we often witness in that area of Milpas is difficult to sympathize with. My sympathies to the residents and businesses.

SantaBarbaraObserver Nov 20, 2018 08:11 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Its been almost 50 years since the state made the closures you folks are whining about. 50 years! In that time our debt has skyrocketed, our schools have slumped and our taxes have risen on everything while our quality of life has become dismal. Want to blame some one for the problems? If you're over 55 look in the mirror and then point your fingers at your fellow Baby Boomers. You folks are the single worst generation in American history. The ONLY one to leave their children worse off then they and the only one to inherit the wealth and the prosperity never before seen in human history. Selfish and greedy. Yup. The hippies became Yuppies and they stole every last penny for themselves. Literally robbing their great grand kids to pay for their excesses and comforts. All without sacrificing a thing! Just look at the cost of living today vs. the 1970's - College? Healthcare? Housing? The list goes on and on and on. The Boomers are by far the worst generation in American history. And to make matters worse, they gave us Clinton, Bush and Trump! Ughhh.... Debt and selfishness beyond any measure. Yup, that's your legacy folks.

a-1574074704 Nov 22, 2018 03:00 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

"... worse off then they" Should be THAN they. Your diatribe got me steamed. My will gives whatever I have left to charities. I didn't have kids because I didn't want to, but hell, at least I'm not adding to the world's problems! I have a tiny mark on the world. I am not a problem. Maybe you'd be happier if we suicided -- a friend did so last week. They didn't have kids either. You happier now?

a-1574074704 Nov 22, 2018 02:56 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Quality of life is what you make it. We live in a paradise, the U.S., and California. Sometimes it IS useful to compare one's life to that of the least among us, in town and globally. I'm very thankful for the accident of my birth.

a-1574074704 Nov 22, 2018 02:54 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

I'm technically a "baby boomer" by a few years. I'm the most anti-consumerist person I know, I find zero joy in shopping and consuming, except food. I never had kids; I knew I couldn't do them justice. I never wanted one and wasn't affected by social pressure. My work life was mostly medical non-profit and another "cause," animal welfare work rather than human, because I needed the job. ANY generalized rant against a group, as you posted, is offensive. Best wishes.

a-1574074704 Nov 20, 2018 01:55 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

As a boomer myself I will agree with you to a point. Our generation did inherit much good and did a horrible job of raising the next generation. But it wasn't mostly the hippies that became yuppies, rather it was those who studied in school instead of spending most their time finding the next high.

Shasta Guy Nov 20, 2018 12:48 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

I don’t know. Our forebearers had institutions for a reason. Community clinics as proposed by Carter but not funded by Reagan sound nice but probably won’t since the people who really need the services most likely won’t use them. I think we need to pony up to pay for more humane institutions than the ones that were shut down. This town has lots of innovative people and charitable dollars. We have ways to care for lost pets, foster children, hungry people, marine life and etc but we cannot come up with a local way to take care of those with mental disease right in front of us. Compassion + Innovation + $$ is what takes to make it happen.

Roger Nov 20, 2018 08:35 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Your whining too it's the Baby Boomers fault whine whine whine....I suppose your perfect oh you must be your posting here waawaawaa

Shasta Guy Nov 20, 2018 07:44 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Here’s a New York Times article from 1984 discussing the issue of deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill. https://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html It looks like the process started under Reagan’s predecessor, Edmund “Pat” Brown. At the Fed level, the initiation looks to be an Eisenhower-Kennedy-Johnson thing with pressure from groups like the ACLU (perhaps). We can all blame politicians and others from the 50s and 60s, but what are we going to now? Making Reagan the Uber Bogey Man is just a cop out.

Shasta Guy Nov 20, 2018 12:31 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Sorry, no can do. All I did was search for info on Reagan closing mental institutions and that 80s article came up. It is surprisingly balanced since it was published in the middle of the Reagan administration. It’s quite informative on this issue. It seems like the issue was unwinding for awhile.

Factotum Nov 19, 2018 02:19 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

We are long past trying to fix street addicts and roving bands of vicious travelers. They don't want to be fixed We must now fix our own communities which have been ravaged by these various forms of intractable street vagrants. Different problem, different focus and very different solutions. Too much focus in the past trying to "save" each errant individual; now we have to save ourselves.

Z Nov 19, 2018 12:49 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

We can all agree that Reagan was an idiot even before he was shot dead and subsequently zombied, However, the mental hospital closure was a bipartisan act of the legislature to limit the judiciary's powers of involuntary commitment in California. As President, Reagan stopped the federal funding of community mental-health centers. All of this was a long time ago. Today the problem with "mental illness" is that we are too tight-fisted to deal with the fallout. It's not the fault of the ACLU or the city councils, it's County Supervisors and the Legislature. If you don't want wierdos on the streets, you have to pay.

Factotum Nov 19, 2018 03:50 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Visit the Reagan Museum in Thousand Oakes. You definitely need a revised history lesson about this extraordinary man. No, Reagan was anything but an "idiot", nor was he subsequently zombied after he was shot. In his own words at the new hologram exhibit, it will astound you to hear his own prescient words. His positive legacy is deep and rich. Thank goodness voters were wise enough to elect him at a time when this country and the world was going off its rails.

a-1574074704 Nov 19, 2018 11:59 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Here we go again. Any chance Cathy Murrillo and the rest of the board are reading this? I keep saying it again and again but we are due for something serious. It's going to take an innocent person being killed until half this town realizes we have a serious problem on our hands. It's gotten worse and any solution that does not permanently remove the mentally ill off our streets should not be acceptable. And as far as the young gutter punks, Jail or a one way ticket back to Seattle/SF/Portland.

a-1574074704 Nov 20, 2018 02:01 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Yes, the list gets very large. One homeless man (they call them 'homeless' until they get caught) murdered 2 women and badly injured a third back in the '80's. Another one ran down a group of female runners (killing one) on Las Positas in the '90's. Our public safety is NOT being protected when these people are allowed free reign in our city.

a-1574074704 Nov 20, 2018 02:01 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Yes, the list gets very large. One homeless man (they call them 'homeless' until they get caught) murdered 2 women and badly injured a third back in the '80's. Another one ran down a group of female runners (killing one) on Las Positas in the '90's. Our public safety is NOT being protected when these people are allowed free reign in our city.

a-1574074704 Nov 19, 2018 11:53 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Yes, but 15 years ago a vagrant murdered a senior (who brought flowers to his wife every day as I remember) at McDonalds. There has already been innocent people killed by this attraction of 'homeless' and still it gets worse.

a-1574074704 Nov 22, 2018 02:39 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Yes, the Constitution IS very liberal. And have you really never read an expose of a jail, a mental institution, the mental institutions our jails now are, or what religious homes for pregnant young women, here and in the UK, were really like? Not to mention the refuge of church.

a-1574074704 Nov 22, 2018 02:43 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Ken Kesey, the author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, worked as an orderly in the psych ward of a VA hospital. I tend to think he had more experience than you.

Roger Nov 19, 2018 03:08 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Back in the 60's when Reagan was Govenator he had a hand in closing California State Mental Hospitals my Uncle who worked for him at the time quit working for him I believe it was 1969 or thereabouts.

Factotum Nov 19, 2018 02:06 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

What is the point of the continued lying about the closure institutions like Camarillo? It was the uber-Liberal ACLU who got them closed. And all those progressives who thought One Flew Over the CooCoo's Nest was a documentary. Liberals need to step up and own this dramatic change that led now to generations of mentally ill on our streets who have overwhelmed many a California community, particularly those along the coast.

RHS Nov 19, 2018 12:50 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

"The ACLU" and progressives litigated the conditions of MH hospitals, the Legislature voted in LPS law, the Republicans gutted the promised funding for alternative housings and treatment. There is guilt for all in the last 50 years of CA screw ups in this area. Even recent money promised from income tax has been squandered on process and bureaucrats. WE DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING AND STOP TALKING.

d8vanilla Nov 19, 2018 11:21 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

And, that's why I keep a spray bottle handy. A little spray in the face / eyes, will usually change things. And, the bonus, add a little vinegar to that spray bottle! NOT joking.

a-1574074704 Nov 19, 2018 11:56 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

D8VANILLA - you seriously walk around with a spray bottle in case someone harasses you? I'm not sure whether to laugh or feel sad that you feel the need to do this.

a-1574074704 Nov 19, 2018 11:20 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

One has to be nuts to get into retail these days. As if competition from Amazon, Starbucks, and Walmart isn't enough. With little viable recourse, these shop owners and their employees also have to deal with out of control "customers". Ugh.

RHS Nov 19, 2018 10:27 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Happy Thanksgiving. People who sit in front of their computers or ipads and speculate about the life circumstances of those whom they glibly call "transients" for want of a more offensive term are pretty offensive themselves. Every society has a permanent problem with mental health problems. In older days the "village idiot" was just part of the townscape. For decades our ancestors created institutional solutions such as "insane asylums" and mental health hospitals. We closed these down by and large because they are expensive and people complained of abuses in them. So a portion of our population is left free to roam and make do, sleeping in freeway right of ways and under benches and self-medicating and unable to deal with their emotional or intellectual handicaps. Somehow those who observe these out of normal behaviors escape responsibility by saying that these folks should be just locked up and that they are just willfully behaving badly. So easy. We need to reinstitute locked care mental health housing as well as alternate street care and shelter. It is just a fact of humanity that some of our own need this just to manage their lives.

Factotum Nov 19, 2018 02:14 PM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

We have all the possible alternate care in the well-funded social saftey net already in place. The missing link iare those who refuse to improve their lives and utilize these available care options, mainly the street addicts. These are the small part of the remaining "homeless" population that do need to be returned to lockdown places like Camarillo used to offer. We the people in the state of California built places like Camarillo, which in fact was a gorgeous sprawling campus. We had the will then, we have the money now because tax money has been raised for this very purpose. So where is the political will in this Democrat super-majority state and why do they keep sabotaging this valid option so nothing gets done? Can a Democrat please explain this - why are they benefiting by keeping the mentally ill out of places like Camarillo used to provide.

Roger Nov 19, 2018 11:14 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

I have recently decided to call the criminal element of the Homeless transients because they really don't deserve to be called Homeless. I will continue to call Homeless people Homeless, Mentally Ill 5150's, Sex offenders Saw Dust. These Transient Criminals who terrorize people in order to intimidate and steal are not deserving of being called anything but what they are. I really don't give a POOP what you call me I'm sure I have been called worse I am more Defensive than Offensive as I don't bend over and let idiots kick me in the Hiney...Maybe instead of wishing a Happy Thanksgiving to people you dislike you can leave your basement go out and find some of these poor souls people call transients take them to your home and give them a Happy Thanks giving I'm pretty sure they will want more take it and you won't be saying Happy Holidays next week, Good Day.

a-1574074704 Nov 19, 2018 10:54 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

RHS - nice attempt at a "guilt trip." But, you've classified all homeless as needing mental care. Some, usually the younger, more aggressive and violent panhandlers, are homeless by choice and simply have addiction issues or "motivational" problems. Locking up the mentally ill won't fix the problem in its entirety.

Factotum Nov 19, 2018 09:43 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Now that downtown State Street foot traffic dried up, storefronts closed, and very few continue to offer handouts, this grifter population moved into new turf - Upper State.

Concerned4Calif Nov 19, 2018 08:58 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

I feel sorry for the employees. Just working and trying to make ends meet and have to deal with something that is so scary they lock themselves in the back room. They can do nothing to protect themselves so all they can do is hide. Nearly every bad story you read or hear about ends with " and the suspect had a history of mental illness" .

a-1574074704 Nov 20, 2018 09:55 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

lina24 I have to disagree. Not caring about yourself or others and being impulsive in your criminal behavior is NOT a "severe mental illness," it's just being a crappy person. People commit crimes for so many, many different reasons, it's really naive and silly to lump all of them, from murderers to check forgers, in the same class and call them all "severely mentally ill." Even worse, is to lump them in the same class as people with TRUE mental disorders such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, for example. There is a reason that criminals and the mentally ill have always been treated differently, it's because, like I said, some people are just jerks and don't care about their decisions, and others have no choice or even the ability to begin to care.

Lina24 Nov 19, 2018 11:00 PM
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658- No, of course not. They should be incarcerated. But perhaps if they were treated for it while incarcerated it could help reduce recidivism. Because the fact that they know the difference between right and wrong, and know that it will end badly - yet still do it, proves that they don't have self control and don't care about themselves or others, which indicates pretty severe mental illness.

a-1574074704 Nov 19, 2018 02:15 PM
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LINA24 - Criminals who know the difference between "right and wrong" are not mentally ill. They are simply making bad decisions, usually with full knowledge of the consequences. But, even if all "habitual criminals" are mentally ill, are you suggesting we don't imprison them or penalize them in some way for their crimes?

Lina24 Nov 19, 2018 02:04 PM
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There are those who could legitimately argue though, that all habitual criminals are in fact mentally ill. How else would you account for their negative, harmful, antisocial behavior? They definitely aren't mentally well people. But I do agree with the fact that not all mentally ill people are criminals.

Roger Nov 19, 2018 09:13 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

I heard nothing about anyone who is mentally ill in this situation, to me this is a criminal action terrorizing others intimidating to get what you want. Criminals and people who are mentally ill are different yet I know what you mean some people use the mentally ill rap as an excuse for someones behavior. This needs to stop criminals who break the law need to be punished the mentally ill need help.

VinSB Nov 19, 2018 08:21 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

A similar thing happened last week at the Habit on Milpas, but I saw no reports on online news media. I heard that it was a frightening incident (that had happened before). This transient person also caused some property damage- a hole in the ceiling.

Roger Nov 19, 2018 10:21 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Funny I live near that Habit and heard nothing about it..If I heard 415 Transient issue I heard nothing about terrorizing.

Roger Nov 19, 2018 08:00 AM
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I would like an anonymous statement from someone at the businesses involved what these guys were doing to make them hide in the back room or call the police.

Luvaduck Nov 19, 2018 07:23 AM
Transients Terrorize Downtown Employees

Old blokes on-the-street are sometimes "icky" but young transients are more dangerous. They have the strength of youth and many have the violence-level of gang members and the ethics of a snake oil selling, stump-jumping politician.

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