Transient Threatens Library Employees

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Code 415pc: Threats, a transient threatened to kill the employees at the downtown Library, 40 East Anapamu.

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a-1575645713 Jun 14, 2019 03:00 PM
Transient Threatens Library Employees

Yeah... no. Have you seen the homeless people? They're not exactly the type to think twice about anything.

a-1575645713 Jun 14, 2019 06:35 AM
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I have an idea. Yesterday, I went for a walk and stopped to respond to a text. This guy was smoking a cig, minding his own business (I know it's "Illegal" now, but whatevs), and this other guy comes by on a bike- total obnoxious guy- stops by this smoker guy and holds up some card and says "no smoking, you've been cited". The smoker of course said "get a job". Maybe we could take those people and tell them to start citing the smelly obnoxious vagrants instead - every time they poop or pee or scream or hassle anyone, they could cite them. That would be a better use of these vigilantes, it might work.

a-1575645713 Jun 14, 2019 06:28 AM
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This makes me sad. I love public libraries. The one in my hometown is still beautiful and NO homeless people AT ALL. Same with the NYC public library. I remember, many many years ago when I first moved here I wanted to check out the library here and several people told me, don't bother it's basically a homeless shelter. I was shocked, and saddened. I've never even been in it and won't go. SB is a great place to live for very limited reasons - it's fun, nice weather, but that is about it. Not a place to call home or raise kids unless you have tons of $$ and can shelter yourself from DT. Not to mention, the pot smokers, and obnoxious health nuts who will harass regular smokers, but tolerate the pot and druggies.

a-1575645713 Jun 14, 2019 04:41 PM
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Really, you won't even go to the library to see for yourself? I go often and am never harassed. I pay no attention to the less savory looking people, and they pay no attention to me. If you are squeamish about contamination you can avoid the upholstered chairs.

Shasta Guy Jun 13, 2019 08:58 PM
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How’s this: The right to sanitary conditions in public places. Outdoor public places are to be kept free of fecal matter, urine, and otherwise foul and infectious matter from humans or animals and such matter is not allowed to remain more than 24 hours. Those responsible for depositing such matter are subject to all applicable laws. Indoor public places are also to be kept free of such matter, persons entering indoor public places with such matter on their person or clothing, and persons who do not maintain proper hygiene and therefore possess unbearable stench are not allowed in public places. Municipalities are to provide access to hygiene maintenance facilities for persons lacking access to such facilities so as not to lose their right to access public facilities. Access to hygiene maintenance facilities can be provided by the municipalities themselves or outsourced to charitable organizations so that the facilities are accessible at free or reduced charge. Municipalities and responsible public officials who do not maintain sanitary outdoor or indoor public facilities and do not make hygiene maintenance facilities available will be subject to fines, loss of public office, and are financially liable to persons harmed by their dereliction of duty.

Shasta Guy Jun 14, 2019 01:08 PM
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This is why it needs to be a state wide implementation so that groups mentioned can’t henpeck local ordinances to death as they do so well. The language I chose puts the burden on the “state” to maintain sanitary public indoor and outdoor environments as a reasonable expectation for well behaved humans. It’s more about having the right to a public square that is sanitary and decent while also making the provision for those non-hygienic individuals to access clean up facilities to maintain so as not to be deprived of their access rights.

a-1575645713 Jun 14, 2019 10:30 AM
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Not just the ACLU: the local League of Women Voters has as one of its adopted principles (unless it got eliminated at the annual meeting): "Repeal by local jurisdictions of policies, practices, regulations, and laws that criminalize, penalize or permit the harassment of homeless persons for engaging in necessary life activities in public spaces (ie. sleeping, standing, etc.)" We wonder how many of the Leaguers spend much time downtown SB, including at the main library.

Shasta Guy Jun 13, 2019 06:57 PM
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Perhaps I’m dreaming here, but with the right legislation/proposition/amendment spelling out everyone’s rights here, then there might be legal standing to sue foot dragging public officials and agencies for failing to carry out the law. Right now if someone takes a dump in my front yard, my rights have not been violated so it’s easier for the city ignore me. However, if I have a right to a dump free front yard and the city does nothing to prevent vagrants from doing so, then I might have legal standing to take the city to court (as a class action lawsuit since there are so many of us...). I think it’s going to take some form of bombproof legislation otherwise we can be ignored by those in charge because there is no penalty for them doing so.

dantheman Jun 14, 2019 07:41 AM
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Keep voting in libratards and get more of the same. California is more concerned about taking care of illegals than it’s own citizens. 70000 now live in tents in Los Angeles alone. Gov newsom just signed a bill to insure illegal aliens. Lol

a-1575645713 Jun 14, 2019 06:15 AM
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Hey, if some dodo is willing to pay a premium for a postage stamp of a house believe me I'll take their money! There are lots and lots of places without homeless and mentally ill to the extreme extent as here. Here, it's a pit. Go to other places - including NYC - and you will not see it to this extent. You must not get out much.

a-1575645713 Jun 13, 2019 01:42 PM
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As an example of how long this "transient/homeless" take over of our Main Library has been a problem: It has been about 25 years since I walked into the Main Library, walked up to the desk and told the sweet little old lady Librarian there that a man was outside shouting and carrying on. I advised her to call SBPD. This Librarian gently admonished me with, "Oh, dear. We do have a certain element that comes here and you need to understand . . ." At which point I interrupted her and said, "No. I want you to call the police RIGHT NOW. The man is yelling, waving his arms and screaming curse words. He is threatening people." At which point she did call 911. Poor Librarian. She was so used to people complaining about the raggedy homeless that her first thought was only how my "senses might have been offended" and not that I was serious about this guy being a danger to people.

Alexblue Jun 14, 2019 04:43 PM
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I have called 911 more in the last year than in the last decade. I will bring the cops down on any homeless person, drug addict, drunk or mentally disturbed person who is behaving in a threatening manner. I'm a bleeding heart libtard of the highest order, I believe this country has totally failed the majority when it comes to mental health and addiction issues, and I also believe that everyone has a right to enjoy being in public without being threatened or accosted. Both things can be true at the same time.

AdamVant Jun 13, 2019 12:41 PM
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Our soft, doughy, PC government and law enforcement won't do a thing to protect us normal people from the vagrants, bums and hobos, so we must adjust our lives to accommodate the whims and activities of the vagrants, bums, hobos. The rights and wishes of us law-abiding, hard-working, tax-paying residents to live in a place free from vagrants, bums and hobos count for nothing anymore. So we have to be around and tolerate vagrants, bums and hobos and their tents, drug needles, feces, urine, stolen bicycles, pit bulls, trash and stink. Tough luck if we don't like it.

Bird Jun 14, 2019 10:35 AM
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In the library budget, there IS money for increased security. Sad, that Santa Barbara general fund library money has to go for that rather than for books!

a-1575645713 Jun 13, 2019 10:08 AM
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$76k could go a long way in getting more security at the library. The Council is voting Tuesday to drop the rent for outdoor patio dining to $0.00 for our public right of way at the behest of property owners, business owners, real estate agents, the chamber of commerce and others. Who gains the most? Property owners who sky high rents will continue to climb. They will advertise the free space out in front of their properties that businesses will be able to encroach upon into the right of way for free as extra space. Instead, this money could be spent to help with security at the library. Keeping kids and patrons of the library safe and improving the environment must be a top priority of the city.

Factotum Jun 13, 2019 10:27 AM
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$75K buys a half time city position - what kind of security are you suggesting? If it is a full power law enforcement office, then $75K will by one quarter time security. If enhanced downtown with outdoor tables generates more city tax revenues, it is self sustaining. LE baby sitting our poor down town library is a lose- lose. Just close it down. Or convert the Library to a private operation so there can be access controls and membership demands made on its use by members of the public. The current status of the public library serves no useful public function.

PitMix Jun 13, 2019 09:31 AM
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Last time I was in the library, I was shocked to discover that you could eat there now, as a group of people were sharing a bucket of chicken. I guess they had to allow it because people did it anyway. It seems that librarians are now social workers- do they get paid for their double duty?

a-1575645713 Jun 13, 2019 09:25 AM
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I can. And now that L.A. has been alerted of our massive pot grows, any of the apx 60,000 gang-members now know, as well as all the "trimmers" from the north with back-pack & dogs, will soon be here also. Ain't SB grand?!

Red Creek Jun 13, 2019 09:01 AM
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Left the library at exactly 5:01 yesterday (by the time stamp on a book) and definitely heard angry voices from the chairs by the window. There was an unsettling undertone which propelled me to leave. So sorry for the kind and helpful library staff and patrons who had to endure this uncivil behavior in the most civilized of our institutions, our beautiful free public library. L.A. Public Library has its' own police. What is happening to us?

RHS Jun 13, 2019 08:58 AM
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The library has become the de facto day center for the poor, unsheltered, mentally ill, physically ill and the abandoned among us. Credit to the library staff for their tolerance and forebearance in providing a safe space for these folks. But it is the failure of our greater society that is to blame: We need to admit our duty of care to the least among us and to provide resources to address their needs, even when those needs are the result of self abuse. Not everyone can compete in a society which sends simple jobs out of the nation and then complains that these folks aren't doing anything to earn their way. The suggestions of some in these comments are amazing. Should we resort to culling the "bottom" of our society so that the more successful are less uncomfortable? If so does the culling line keep moving "higher" until even the people complaining here are not welcome? Would that be justice?

Roger Jun 13, 2019 05:02 PM
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I wasn't referring to our public library as the hate factory like the book.. I was referring to the hate factory as to one of his so called care institutions since he likes to spread it around so much.

a-1575645713 Jun 13, 2019 12:02 PM
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The Hate Factory . The New Mexico State Penitentiary riot, which took place on February 2 and 3, 1980, in the state's maximum security prison south of Santa Fe, was the most violent prison riot in American history. Mutilations and Beheadings . Hardly our Public Library. :)

Factotum Jun 13, 2019 09:04 AM
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Should "the least of us" (by choice) demand to be housed, fed and catered to in one of the most expensive areas in this state? Your argument fails on all counts. This town offers more support services than any other surrounding community. All it accomplished is making Santa Barbara a dumping ground for other localities who refuse to do their share. That is the injustice. Nor is there any proof, enabling this population group to keep making unrealistic demands on local taxpayers is beneficial for anyone.

doyenne Jun 13, 2019 08:49 AM
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I was at the library with my toddler grandchildren when this happened, It is a terrifying thing for young children to have to run the gauntlet of the frightening people who populate the entrance to the library. My youngest, age four, was really worried and said it made her nervous to go to the library. Too bad we can't have a separate "safe" entrance for children who love the library.

Frederick Jun 13, 2019 08:49 AM
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We needs laws in place that will prohibit all these unsanitary foul smelling derelicts from loitering in pubic spaces and buildings. It's pathetic one cannot enjoy a walk downtown or go to the public library without having to deal with this crap. Perhaps the city needs a designated skip row area to corral them all.

Bird Jun 14, 2019 10:41 AM
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Not all agree with you: the local League of Women Voters has as one of its adopted principles: "Repeal by local jurisdictions of policies, practices, regulations, and laws that criminalize, penalize or permit the harassment of homeless persons for engaging in necessary life activities in public spaces (ie. sleeping, standing, etc.)" I wonder how many of the Leaguers spend much time downtown SB, including at the main library? ...I've given up going to the main library except to pick up books held; for reading, I go to the Goleta Library and donate to the Friends of that library.

Luvaduck Jun 13, 2019 08:39 AM
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If everyone who used the library respected it and the rules that have made it a public resource for so long, then everyone should be welcome. Otherwise, not. Start by making public internet access $1 for 30 minutes. For school kids, come up with punch card access. Pay toilets, like in Japan and Europe, might be next.

Sprigofsage Jun 13, 2019 08:31 AM
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Many years ago the upholstery in that library wreaked of something like urine or body odors. I had to kind of sniff around to find a clean one. Upstairs was always better. Sad.

PitMix Jun 13, 2019 01:13 PM
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I think a new industry will be selling seat covers to patrons of the library and mass transit. Fabric seats are the worst!

Ahchooo Jun 13, 2019 08:19 AM
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I visit the downtown library two or three times a week. Clearly there is a problem, but it actually feels safe and pleasant there. Maybe I lead a charmed life, but the vagrant-looking people don't harass me. And yes, they take up a lot of the comfy seating, but there are other, clean seats available. The bad apples need to be dealt with, but they haven't spoiled the whole place. On a side note: the bathrooms, in my experience, are always clean.

Shasta Guy Jun 13, 2019 07:29 AM
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We need state-level legislation in the form of a ballot proposition or new constitutional amendment that defines the rights and responsibilities for homeless and non-homeless since common sense no longer applies. If people want to free roam, fine, but that doesn’t mean they get to soil the nest of everyone else. With clear legislation then local municipalities like ours can actually have something enforceable to recover normal quality of life. Until bombproof legislation is in place expect the blight to expand...

Shasta Guy Jun 13, 2019 12:49 PM
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Yes, behavior based in terms of freedoms and respect of the rights of others. For example our guaranteed right of free speech does not give the right to yell fire in a crowded theater. If a person uses their freedom so as not to work and not have a place to bath for weeks then they should not have the right to offend others by going into the confines of an enclosed building and subjecting all to their stench. You get you freedom but not the freedom to make everyone smell you in a public place. For those who are homeless and cannot bath, then charitable organizations or the city can accessible bathing facilities to access places without substantial aromatic expressions.

Ahchooo Jun 13, 2019 09:52 AM
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What could that legislation look like? I'd suggest it not focus on housing status, but rather require a certain standard of behavior: must not stink, shout, spit, etc. The library already enforces a limit on the quantity of possessions one can bring in (e.g., no shopping carts, large bags). Much of the problem is enforcement: who will do the policing, and where could we send the folk who won't or can't behave as we like? Again we come back to the problem of untreated mental illness.

Factotum Jun 12, 2019 09:45 PM
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When is our police chief and mayor going to publicly address these vagrancy assaults that have undermined this sense of a wholesome, family-friendly community, When will our state elected representatives provide relief. When will the city employee union realize letting vagrants rob this city of its cash flow is their immediate concern. Stop funding parks and libraries. Close them all down and put fences around them. Use that saved operational money to fund the city employee pensions. You have tapped this city out. It is time to now start cannibalizing it instead of pouring good money after bad.

jqb Jun 13, 2019 09:23 AM
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I knew he would be along to blame this on Cathy Murillo, Monique Limón, and Hannah-Beth Jackson, and call for replacing them with factotem-clones who will ... what? Make public addresses? Close down all the parks and libraries? Such brilliant solutions! OTOH, we've got the climate-science-denying guy from Shasta calling for a constitutional amendment to ... what? Require proof of residence before entering a library? A smell test? These are systemic problems that cannot be wished away. And they have a cause ... which is largely the policies that are enacted by the sorts of people that these guys tend to vote for.

Carrotville Jun 12, 2019 07:30 PM
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I’m tired. I just want out of California and I’m leaving. The cops hands are tied. The politicians are useless. One more study..... I’m gone to my 10 acres of solitude where it’s beautiful and too cold to have my new piece of paradise far away from daily fights, fires, sidewalk poop, and being cussed at. This used to be such a nice town. Now it’s an embarrassment. I can say that for I was born here 71 years ago and am so happy to leave. Cathy Murillo, you may have it. I no longer wish to call it home. It now belongs to those who do not pay your salary, nor pave your streets, nor overhead, nor anything else that keeps the city afloat. It will soon come crashing down on all of your heads while you take that photo op.

PitMix Jun 13, 2019 01:16 PM
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Can you tell me if your house is for sale or rent for a decent price because I know plenty of people willing to endure these intolerable SB living conditions? There has to be a reason small 2 bdr/1 ba houses are worth $1M.

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