Theft at Downtown Clothing Store

FOND OF - What will Mom/Dad do when "little Johnny" or "little Susie" are seen wearing some new clothes they can't account for? I don't agree many viewers are "fine" with increased criminalization. I believe some are too fearful to speak out against the rabble now in charge at different levels of government. Some are content with letting others get involved to hopefully solve the problem; and a few just don't care. A person says something against what the rabble believe and they are jumped on. Look at what's happening to parents speaking out against some school board officials in different states. Hopefully, those that care, will use their vote to make positive changes. Until then, we will have to deal with these little groups of cowards, thieves and others as the law permits. As a side note, I am duly impressed. Some of these little clowns made their escape on a bicycle. Three-wheeler or two with training wheels, anyone know?

Exactly who is fine with criminals? Ridiculous.

Or we could hold parents responsible for their children’s deeds. A few nights in the klink with their kid should adjust parents’ attitudes and perspectives.

The trope that raising the petty theft definition means "looters will walk" is such far right nonsense that we should laugh but unfortunately it seems to resonate. A few facts: People who enter into a business with the intent of theft commit burglary, not petty theft. People who use violence to commit theft commit felony theft. People who are convicted for petty theft (even as newly defined) face at least 6 months in jail. Petty theft had been set at less than $400 for decades despite inflation. Long ago it was set at $200. No one claimed that raising it then resulted in a huge increase in petty theft. This is propaganda. The only issue right now is that misdemeanor arrestees (NOT these smash and grab criminals) will be released pending charges to avoid COVID problems in jails. This has to do with the pandemic and not with criminal justice reform.

Wrong RHS. Before prop 47, it was considered burglary to enter a commercial establishment with the intent to steal. Prop 47 created a new offense called “shoplifting.” As long as the value of the stolen property does not exceed $950, it is no longer burglary. See the prop 47 FAQ here: https://www.courts.ca.gov/prop47.htm

In addition RHS, I never thought of the San Francisco chronicle as a far right publication. However, they are apparently promoting the “far right nonsense” you are talking about. Here is a chronicle article describing how numerous storefronts in union square are boarded up this year due to a wave of looting. https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/There-s-nothing-festive-about-boarded-up-16664219.php

Chip, I have not read the Chronicle recently but it is historically a far right pape. With regard to the other issue, without regard to the statement on the nature of the "shoplifting" crime definition, taking property by force or violence is not petty theft, it is robbery. Robbery is a felony.

BABYCAKES - this is a perfect example of how ridiculous the far left can be. I'm a liberal, but I think the far left is almost as dangerous as the far right. Only reason the far right still wins is the obsession with violence and praising people who kill unarmed people, self defense or not.

SacJon: Example*(s)?

Unfortunately, for the intellectually challenged, propaganda continues to work very well...

The argument is lost when one confuses 'difference of opinion' with 'propaganda' and then throws the 'intellectually challenged' shade on those who disagree wit chew. Why be a tosser when you can be a hero?

SacJon: I wouldn't worry about it too much or get emotional, the fact is that violence is all around us. Think about the Eastside vs Westside conflict in SB....do you think they think in terms of left/right? Have you been held at knifepoint on your way home from the store (Foodland in my case) and had your purse and groceries stolen? If so, then you know what I'm talking about. I can't even come within two blocks of Bohnett Park any longer. Welcome to the new norm.

BABY - Wow. That was an Olympian level deflection and about face lol! No, not talking about violence in general. You asked for examples, I provided them. I'm neither worried nor emotional, just providing the facts you asked for and now you completely change direction. OK, it's cool. I know there is more violence in general now, I agree, but that's not what we were talking about now was it?

Again though, far right and far left fanatics are what's dragging us down. The far right and its violence, the far left and its over obsession with wokeness.

I think the owners of Hilda and Jesse were 100% RIGHT in asking the cops to leave if they were going to be ammo'd up as much as they are. They are NOT military, and this is not a police state. If I were dining there, I would have been uncomfortable with that level of gun power and weaponry on these cops. IT's JUST WRONG. Demilitarize the police. The civilians are NOT the enemy and they (the cops) are NOT the military.

Careful BigUgly, we're about 1 variant away from a police state. If it wasn't for half this country appreciating the freedoms our ancestors fought and died for we'd already be there.

BUS: The owners have backtracked and apologized profusely for their actions toward the police. They've admitted that they made a horrible mistake to ask LE to leave their business. I take them at their word, and will support their business the next time I return to the Bay Area. People make mistakes and should not be put in the dog house due to their mistake....no matter how bad it was (such as in this case). Unfortunately, not everyone is so forgiving and their reviews have been horrible since their mistake. Oh well, live and learn I suppose.

1:11 VOICE - Dude that's straight up disrespectful to the millions of American servicemembers who have died fighting for our country throughout history. Our "ancestors fought and died" so you didn't have to wear a mask when you go to a store during a pandemic? That's pathetically false and simple minded.

1:11 - Yeah, it's a good thing the people who embody the true values of this country voted that moron out of office. It's too bad he duped so many with weak minds that he still remains as a threat of dictatorship.

1:11 - Yeah, it's a good thing the people who embody the true values of this country voted that moron out of office. It's too bad he duped so many with weak minds that he still remains as a threat of dictatorship.

@2:29 no one said anything about masks, and most active duty servicemen and veterans would strongly disagree with you. Your, and several others here, continued association of masks as going against our freedoms shows how well you've been misled and how blind you are to the actual encroachments on our freedoms over the past 18 months.

VOICE - you equate mask mandates with tyranny, don't try to dodge it.

Masks equaling tyranny is your own construct. Do not confuse my strong skepticism on the effectiveness of masks, particularly on young children, with the actual governmental overreach and very real encroachment on our freedoms and liberties that has occurred. There is a long list of high-level court decisions, at both the state and federal level, to back this up.

VOICE - you've said many times here that forcing people to wear masks is tyrannical, for lack of a better word. Stop lying.

I have not once said that. When I point out the errors in your statement you often put words in my mouth in rebuttal. Please feel free to dig through the old comments to prove me wrong.

@2:42, I don't think you know the definition of a 'dictatorship.'

VOICE - reread you 1:11 comment. Your whole argument against the covid restrictions/rules is that they're overreach by a government trying to control us. I'm hardly putting any words in your mouth.

No Sac. Many of the restrictions/mandates have been, or are currently, governmental overreach and a violation of individual freedoms and liberties, but mask ordinances aren't one of them.

VOR's position, unless he's continuing to fib, is that what he "types" into a comment box is not what he "says".

In california, a business can be punished for failing to enforce mask and vaccine passport regulations. In Florida, a business can be punished for enforcing mask or vaccine passport requirements. Completely opposite approaches. Are both states guilty of government overreach?

As it relates to mask mandates, no. The government forcing you turn over your personal medical information to a random business, absolutely yes. But each business, if they choose, does have the right to refuse service if you're not wearing a mask or not vaccinated (or just refuse to show proof)... that's called freedom. Or, in the anecdotal case that pops up on the "news" every now and then, they have the right to refuse service if you're wearing a mask.

VOICE - forcing people to wear masks is not governmental overreach?

VOICE - it's not "personal medical information," it's a confirmation and date of vaccination. This has been required in schools, the military, overseas government employment, etc. This is not new, nor is it some "violation" of privacy or liberty.

To equate requiring proof of vaccination in some businesses, employment, etc to a violation of the liberties and freedoms our servicemembers have died for is an affront to their service and flat out hysteria.

4:47 - More evidence that Florida's governed by lunatics.

For all the poor babies burdened by wearing a mask:

https://www.wearecentralpa.com/news/regional-news/new-chewing-gum-can-kill-covid-19-particles-in-your-mouth-reducing-virus-spread-philadephia-study-finds/

Bigugly - You say in the restaurant you would have been uncomfortable with cops in there "ammo'd up" with their "level of gun power and weaponry." Did you stop and think you might be safer inside a restaurant with a cop car parked outside and a cop seated inside? Do you think you could ever talk to the cop to see how everything is going? No way, not you, they have too much "weaponry." What do you suggest doing to "demilitarize the police?" My word, the cop in the restaurant probably had one handgun with extra magazines and a taser. It's your kind of thinking with idiots in charge of cities, big and small that are listing record increases in crime. This type of theft from the clothing store is just the beginning of what's to come and worse without police. You are correct, "civilians" are not the enemy unless they are involved in a criminal activity. One day you may (with or without police presence) be the victim of a crime. But then, don't call them "ammo'd up" cops with all their "gun power" as they will probably add to your discomfort.

The Surgeon General and the White House are blaming the huge uptick in crime amongst "teen agers" on Covid. So, the reason for the smash-and-grabs robberies by these criminals is due to Covid. And they expect a-n-y-o-n-e to believe this??? Ree-deeq-U-luss!

Everyday, without fail, you come here and showcase your true colors and capabilities.

You would be uncomfortable eating at a restaurant with a cop who is carrying a gun? Seriously???

BABY - That IS ridiculous. This is not due to covid. This is, as I said, due to far left policies on crime and a lot of bored and short-minded youths. Smart kids and kids who are busy with sports, academics, music, etc don't do this stuff. It's time to invest more into our kids. It is shameful that in a country this great and mighty, our public education is so unimportant to the purse holders in Congress. ALL kids, regardless of income, should have a quality education.

SacJon: Totally/totally agree with you.

A big part of this is that we have a two-tiered pension system... breathtakingly generous for the old-timers (literally retiring with pensions worth millions and millions) and shockingly bad (with super high pay-in rates) for the youngsters. Read in the tea leaves the future of California.