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It seems as though a tent city has popped up in Isla Vista and taken over Anisq Oyo Park (behind the Chase Bank/across from Woodstocks). Who is funding this as it seems like almost all of the tents are brand new REI tents?
Tent City in Isla Vista
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420722 – how is CA a wasteland? Liberal, sure, but “wasteland?” Have you traveled through our great state? Have you fished the pristine creeks of the Sierras? Have you dived or surfed or swam or fished our beautiful coastline? Have you hiked our glorious trails? Worked in any of our booming industries? Yeah, we have wildfires and crappy power outages and earthquakes. Wasteland though? I don’t see it. Check out some of those “conservative” states with no jobs, no education, no environmental protections, etc….
420722 – how is CA a wasteland? Liberal, sure, but “wasteland?” Have you traveled through our great state? Have you fished the pristine creeks of the Sierras? Have you dived or surfed or swam or fished our beautiful coastline? Have you hiked our glorious trails? Worked in any of our booming industries? Yeah, we have wildfires and crappy power outages and earthquakes. Wasteland though? I don’t see it. Check out some of those “conservative” states with no jobs, no education, no environmental protections, etc….
Inland California is conservative. Look at the election maps. Glad you like what this part of the state still offers. Unfortunately redstate California get out-voted by LA and SF coastal liberals, who have very much trashed up the state as a whole and dominate elected offices.
Inland California is conservative. Look at the election maps. Glad you like what this part of the state still offers. Unfortunately redstate California get out-voted by LA and SF coastal liberals, who have very much trashed up the state as a whole and dominate elected offices.
Agreed! Having traveled all through the States and the World, California is awesome, truly unique special and beautiful. One point of contention though: Other states are educating, it’s California that is currently not educating (unless of course you sign a large check every month to Laguna Blanca or are the kid of a school district employee/Administrator!)
Agreed! Having traveled all through the States and the World, California is awesome, truly unique special and beautiful. One point of contention though: Other states are educating, it’s California that is currently not educating (unless of course you sign a large check every month to Laguna Blanca or are the kid of a school district employee/Administrator!)
There has to be a better way.
There is a lot of open space just further north. Maybe Marborg can supply porta-potties and shower blessings can come in twice a week. Food Bank will definitely hand out meals and free med checks can be done, along with personal hygiene products and a fresh change of clothes.
Why allow this in I.V. ? Can you imagine if it was done in San Roque, Montecito or Hope Ranch? (BTW, look up the history of Hope Ranch.)
I think the system failed the mentally ill and disabled veterans and I also believe that they will never get the help they need without creating centers for care. I think this will take care of a huge chunk of the “homeless” situation. I think it will also weed out those that are sane, mentally competent and choose to be on the streets. It’s my experience that the latter are the ones committing crimes.
It is not a crime to be “homeless”; the crime is stealing from others to support your nuisance lifestyle.
And before I get any “haters”…yes, I do have compassion and feed when I can. I bring sandwiches, burritos, clothes, hygiene products, anything I can. I’m on the verge of being “homeless” myself.
At the end of it all, we’re all brothers and sisters and just like an immediate family we don’t always know or like each other but we have to have understanding, compassion, and figure out how to get along.
Peace out Santa Barbara!
There has to be a better way.
There is a lot of open space just further north. Maybe Marborg can supply porta-potties and shower blessings can come in twice a week. Food Bank will definitely hand out meals and free med checks can be done, along with personal hygiene products and a fresh change of clothes.
Why allow this in I.V. ? Can you imagine if it was done in San Roque, Montecito or Hope Ranch? (BTW, look up the history of Hope Ranch.)
I think the system failed the mentally ill and disabled veterans and I also believe that they will never get the help they need without creating centers for care. I think this will take care of a huge chunk of the “homeless” situation. I think it will also weed out those that are sane, mentally competent and choose to be on the streets. It’s my experience that the latter are the ones committing crimes.
It is not a crime to be “homeless”; the crime is stealing from others to support your nuisance lifestyle.
And before I get any “haters”…yes, I do have compassion and feed when I can. I bring sandwiches, burritos, clothes, hygiene products, anything I can. I’m on the verge of being “homeless” myself.
At the end of it all, we’re all brothers and sisters and just like an immediate family we don’t always know or like each other but we have to have understanding, compassion, and figure out how to get along.
Peace out Santa Barbara!
Isla Vista Improvement District gets to tax IV property owners and now directs local IV programs. Perhaps this is the source of funding for the tents. The special IV district was a long desired Das Williams dream – allowing IV have some degree of self-governance. Interesting to view the public records of this new agency to see if or how they were engaged in creation of this tent city and what are the future plans. The rest of the area may well want to pitch in with funding too in order to concentrate this population where hopefully it will do the least harm and stop trashing the rest of our streets and parks and stop trying to burn down us down with their “cooking fires”
Isla Vista Improvement District gets to tax IV property owners and now directs local IV programs. Perhaps this is the source of funding for the tents. The special IV district was a long desired Das Williams dream – allowing IV have some degree of self-governance. Interesting to view the public records of this new agency to see if or how they were engaged in creation of this tent city and what are the future plans. The rest of the area may well want to pitch in with funding too in order to concentrate this population where hopefully it will do the least harm and stop trashing the rest of our streets and parks and stop trying to burn down us down with their “cooking fires”
It will get better because we will finally throw the political bums out. 20 years of failed “progressive agendas” is already 19 years too many. We learned quickly, but have been very slow to act. Plenty of good choices on the Nov ballot to change direction and break up this “progressive” super-majority who is destroying it for everyone, except their own special interests. Their time is up. Send the message at the ballot box – no more incumbents for any office. Unless you can prove the replacement would be even worse.
It will get better because we will finally throw the political bums out. 20 years of failed “progressive agendas” is already 19 years too many. We learned quickly, but have been very slow to act. Plenty of good choices on the Nov ballot to change direction and break up this “progressive” super-majority who is destroying it for everyone, except their own special interests. Their time is up. Send the message at the ballot box – no more incumbents for any office. Unless you can prove the replacement would be even worse.
I think we’re talking about the homeless problem in Ca overall not just during covid. It’s definitely Trumps though, everything is. We know how you guys roll.
I think we’re talking about the homeless problem in Ca overall not just during covid. It’s definitely Trumps though, everything is. We know how you guys roll.
At one time it was estimated there was $500,000 to be picked up on our streets, just by panhandling. These are not the poor nor downtrodden; they are con artists, grifters and have a very successful PR operation. Plenty of other social services take care of those truly vulnerable. But this highly visible group are trashing it for everyone and they know how to work the system. They deserve nothing other than treaspass and eviction orders. Let them camp out on the public health directors front lawns or any other elected official who thinks it is okay to tolerate this chosen lifestyle.
At one time it was estimated there was $500,000 to be picked up on our streets, just by panhandling. These are not the poor nor downtrodden; they are con artists, grifters and have a very successful PR operation. Plenty of other social services take care of those truly vulnerable. But this highly visible group are trashing it for everyone and they know how to work the system. They deserve nothing other than treaspass and eviction orders. Let them camp out on the public health directors front lawns or any other elected official who thinks it is okay to tolerate this chosen lifestyle.
Nice theory, what is it based on?
Nice theory, what is it based on?
And yet you still live here 420. Must be a glutton for punishment. Isn’t Texas calling to you?
And yet you still live here 420. Must be a glutton for punishment. Isn’t Texas calling to you?
We have a society where a significant number of people want to take drugs and live rough. All countries have this problem but we seem to have a bigger one in spite of being the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world. It doesn’t seem to be getting better so we’d better get used to it or move to a gated community.
We have a society where a significant number of people want to take drugs and live rough. All countries have this problem but we seem to have a bigger one in spite of being the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world. It doesn’t seem to be getting better so we’d better get used to it or move to a gated community.
The land itself is beautiful. The parts that aren’t cemented and peed/shit on aka most hyper liberal cities. Btw the northern and inland parts of Ca are mostly conservative including the Sierras that I’ve hiked several times. If I wasn’t invested in a business here I’d be a ghost to Ca.
The land itself is beautiful. The parts that aren’t cemented and peed/shit on aka most hyper liberal cities. Btw the northern and inland parts of Ca are mostly conservative including the Sierras that I’ve hiked several times. If I wasn’t invested in a business here I’d be a ghost to Ca.
Jence- Marborg IS already supplying pee pods, showers are provided, free meds, free meals, free money, free clothes. It’s all here for them. That is why they feel so warm and welcome in CA. So yes there has to be another way, stop giving them free shit.
Jence- Marborg IS already supplying pee pods, showers are provided, free meds, free meals, free money, free clothes. It’s all here for them. That is why they feel so warm and welcome in CA. So yes there has to be another way, stop giving them free shit.
Not a theory, there are tables set up outside of the 99 cent store and other places bums like to hang out at for free cell phones and they can get welfare debit card from the county social services office very easily. I know some homeless people trust me, they have access to everything.
Not a theory, there are tables set up outside of the 99 cent store and other places bums like to hang out at for free cell phones and they can get welfare debit card from the county social services office very easily. I know some homeless people trust me, they have access to everything.
Nailed my thoughts exactly!
Nailed my thoughts exactly!
420722. Maybe that’s why they are burning. Someone is trying to burn out the conservatives. Wouldn’t put it past the party of hate. We have seen the burning, looting, and murder inside the cities nationwide.
420722. Maybe that’s why they are burning. Someone is trying to burn out the conservatives. Wouldn’t put it past the party of hate. We have seen the burning, looting, and murder inside the cities nationwide.
Look up New California….the 51st state. 90 percent of the counties in CA have representatives for this movement. They have a map online.
Look up New California….the 51st state. 90 percent of the counties in CA have representatives for this movement. They have a map online.
Free tents…free food…free internet…free access to weekly medical services in the park…free (clean) needles…yep…that’s not going to attract more people or make the problem bigger, not at all!!!!
Free tents…free food…free internet…free access to weekly medical services in the park…free (clean) needles…yep…that’s not going to attract more people or make the problem bigger, not at all!!!!
For those who always are nostalgic about the “hobo camp” allowed on Mrs Child’s estate, she set strict ground rules: had to be self-governing, everyone had to have a job, no alcohol. I suspect this meant they had to clean up their own camp and certainly be working on the means to get out of this situation. Now we ask nothing in return for this supported squalor – that was the biggest error. No reason to give away everything and get nothing in return, except the threat they will burn us down if we don’t keep up the handouts.
For those who always are nostalgic about the “hobo camp” allowed on Mrs Child’s estate, she set strict ground rules: had to be self-governing, everyone had to have a job, no alcohol. I suspect this meant they had to clean up their own camp and certainly be working on the means to get out of this situation. Now we ask nothing in return for this supported squalor – that was the biggest error. No reason to give away everything and get nothing in return, except the threat they will burn us down if we don’t keep up the handouts.
427022 – We’d applaud if you’d move the hell out
427022 – We’d applaud if you’d move the hell out
Orange county is about as Repuglican as you get – same homeless problem Oppenheimer.
Orange county is about as Repuglican as you get – same homeless problem Oppenheimer.
The great Repuglican Lord Reagan Sidious threw out the mentally ill onto the streets. Decades later, same issues.
The great Repuglican Lord Reagan Sidious threw out the mentally ill onto the streets. Decades later, same issues.
LCP, you can have your QAnon state if you let the rest of us secede from the US if the Party of Trump keeps control of the Country. The coastal towns are tired of giving our tax dollars to the inland counties anyway.
LCP, you can have your QAnon state if you let the rest of us secede from the US if the Party of Trump keeps control of the Country. The coastal towns are tired of giving our tax dollars to the inland counties anyway.
This kind of stuff really triggers the QAnon crowd. Like living in a tent in IV is somehow a preferable and desirable life. It’s out there for you, go grab it!
This kind of stuff really triggers the QAnon crowd. Like living in a tent in IV is somehow a preferable and desirable life. It’s out there for you, go grab it!
The good (??) thing about this problem is we can definitely give both political parties a lot of credit and blame. What a mess…
The good (??) thing about this problem is we can definitely give both political parties a lot of credit and blame. What a mess…
Contact Isla Vista Community Services District General Manager Abboud:…. Meet our Staff
General Manager:
Jonathan Abboud
As the General Manager, Jonathan Abboud administers all the responsibilities of the IVCSD, as well as meets with the community as the face of the IVCSD. Former AS President and current member of the SBCC District Board of Trustees, Abboud is experienced in community leadership and activism, having played an integral role in the creation of the IVCSD as the co-founder of the Isla Vista Self Governance Initiative. Email: generalmanager(@)islavistacsd.com
Contact Isla Vista Community Services District General Manager Abboud:…. Meet our Staff
General Manager:
Jonathan Abboud
As the General Manager, Jonathan Abboud administers all the responsibilities of the IVCSD, as well as meets with the community as the face of the IVCSD. Former AS President and current member of the SBCC District Board of Trustees, Abboud is experienced in community leadership and activism, having played an integral role in the creation of the IVCSD as the co-founder of the Isla Vista Self Governance Initiative. Email: generalmanager(@)islavistacsd.com
Wow.
What a political Pantsing.
A lot of posters have shown their colors.
Notice that many have long-winded opinions, biblical diatribes, yet no true experience helping one-on-one with the true needy and helpless.
Is this what we have truly become?
I was born and raised here and by the grace of GOD (yes, I said it. Yahweh, Allah, Supreme Being) I’m still here and helping others, knowing that I may need help myself down the road.
Don’t throw those rocks too far because they might turn around and pick up some speed right back at you!
Wow.
What a political Pantsing.
A lot of posters have shown their colors.
Notice that many have long-winded opinions, biblical diatribes, yet no true experience helping one-on-one with the true needy and helpless.
Is this what we have truly become?
I was born and raised here and by the grace of GOD (yes, I said it. Yahweh, Allah, Supreme Being) I’m still here and helping others, knowing that I may need help myself down the road.
Don’t throw those rocks too far because they might turn around and pick up some speed right back at you!
Found this online (sounds like they are here to stay!!!) – “About 15 people started camping out in tents on Sunday evening, January 27, and steadfastly refused to move as police continually threatened to arrest and cite them for illegal camping. On February 5, seven camp dwellers were given tickets for illegal camping, and are currently awaiting trial, represented by attorney Glen Mowrer.
But the citations did not shut down the camp or erode the campers’ resolve. They dug in their heels, vowing to keep the tent city alive unless handcuffed and forcibly removed. The encampment has survived for two months now; it was relocated once in February to nearby Estero Park. In an unexpected development, the seven defendants cited for violating the County’s no-camping ordinance discovered they may have been unlawfully charged with violating a non-existent law. The Isla Vista Recreation and Parks District’s own counsel discovered that the County’s no-camping law doesn’t apply to Isla Vista parks, which do not fall under the jurisdiction of Santa Barbara County.
Found this online (sounds like they are here to stay!!!) – “About 15 people started camping out in tents on Sunday evening, January 27, and steadfastly refused to move as police continually threatened to arrest and cite them for illegal camping. On February 5, seven camp dwellers were given tickets for illegal camping, and are currently awaiting trial, represented by attorney Glen Mowrer.
But the citations did not shut down the camp or erode the campers’ resolve. They dug in their heels, vowing to keep the tent city alive unless handcuffed and forcibly removed. The encampment has survived for two months now; it was relocated once in February to nearby Estero Park. In an unexpected development, the seven defendants cited for violating the County’s no-camping ordinance discovered they may have been unlawfully charged with violating a non-existent law. The Isla Vista Recreation and Parks District’s own counsel discovered that the County’s no-camping law doesn’t apply to Isla Vista parks, which do not fall under the jurisdiction of Santa Barbara County.
Maybe because we’re educated enough to know school-as-usual isn’t safe yet.
Maybe because we’re educated enough to know school-as-usual isn’t safe yet.
So why can’t we relocate the “homeless” to a safe, sober environment with toilets, showers, food and clothes; most importantly-the meds they need? What’s wrong with Cuyama?
So why can’t we relocate the “homeless” to a safe, sober environment with toilets, showers, food and clothes; most importantly-the meds they need? What’s wrong with Cuyama?
Get used to it? What a flaky and lame statement. Get used to crime, get used to lawlessness. Get used to random clowns living, trashing, and using our community like a toilet in plain sight? Hey, you think our grandparents just said “get used to it” when threatened with fascism and the Nazi’s trying to take over and destroy sovereign nations and their people? Since when did it become ok to trash and harass?
Wrong is wrong. The way the current trend is going we’ll all be subsidizing a massive homeless, lazy ass, nasty population who are literally trashing our community for years to come. Screw that. “Get used to it”? Yeah right.
Get used to it? What a flaky and lame statement. Get used to crime, get used to lawlessness. Get used to random clowns living, trashing, and using our community like a toilet in plain sight? Hey, you think our grandparents just said “get used to it” when threatened with fascism and the Nazi’s trying to take over and destroy sovereign nations and their people? Since when did it become ok to trash and harass?
Wrong is wrong. The way the current trend is going we’ll all be subsidizing a massive homeless, lazy ass, nasty population who are literally trashing our community for years to come. Screw that. “Get used to it”? Yeah right.
Really? Been there lately. Not even close to the problems we have here. Not even close.
Really? Been there lately. Not even close to the problems we have here. Not even close.
People are pissed off seeing our community and environment openly trashed, and resources like our libraries and public parks become overrun and unusable, with elected officials facilitating it at our expense. That’s what your seeing.
People are pissed off seeing our community and environment openly trashed, and resources like our libraries and public parks become overrun and unusable, with elected officials facilitating it at our expense. That’s what your seeing.
It is acceptable in our P/C society now- there are no laws or people who feel shame about setting up “Camps”…. Now, if you and your family set up a “beach camp” on say, East Beach, you will be cited and removed… Laws only apply to those that follow the law. That is the problem in our current society-
It is acceptable in our P/C society now- there are no laws or people who feel shame about setting up “Camps”…. Now, if you and your family set up a “beach camp” on say, East Beach, you will be cited and removed… Laws only apply to those that follow the law. That is the problem in our current society-
More and more people are living in tents these days because the “laws” don’t apply to them. They save a lot of money on rent, taxes, fines, plumbing, trash removal. Sounds like a sweet deal. I hear in Pismo they are set up all over the snowy plover nesting sites. There have been numerous fires in the dunes as of late too. Everyone turns a blind eye to it.
More and more people are living in tents these days because the “laws” don’t apply to them. They save a lot of money on rent, taxes, fines, plumbing, trash removal. Sounds like a sweet deal. I hear in Pismo they are set up all over the snowy plover nesting sites. There have been numerous fires in the dunes as of late too. Everyone turns a blind eye to it.
“Who is funding this…?” May be the people who bought themselves tents? Just because they don’t live in a home, doesn’t mean they are completely broke. Then again, if they can afford tents, they can afford illegal camping citations….
“Who is funding this…?” May be the people who bought themselves tents? Just because they don’t live in a home, doesn’t mean they are completely broke. Then again, if they can afford tents, they can afford illegal camping citations….
The line between chaos and order is very, very thin and does require community buy-in to protect any notion of a civilized society. Since the state is now confiscating landlord rental income, why not go all the way and confiscate empty student housing units in IV and give them to this tent population on the property owner’s dime too?
The line between chaos and order is very, very thin and does require community buy-in to protect any notion of a civilized society. Since the state is now confiscating landlord rental income, why not go all the way and confiscate empty student housing units in IV and give them to this tent population on the property owner’s dime too?
ACLU forced Reagan’s hand and he had to shut down the state care facilities. Not sure why this lie about alleged “GOP hypocrisy” continue to be uttered, when it has been so long debunked. And so many times. No, Reagan did not let loose this crowd – plus that happened over 40 years ago – ACLU did this, and the city blinked when ever ACLU came for them too. Stand up to ACLU and the problem is half solved. Elect a new city council and county supervisors who will fight this blight. Not roll over and whinge about it.
ACLU forced Reagan’s hand and he had to shut down the state care facilities. Not sure why this lie about alleged “GOP hypocrisy” continue to be uttered, when it has been so long debunked. And so many times. No, Reagan did not let loose this crowd – plus that happened over 40 years ago – ACLU did this, and the city blinked when ever ACLU came for them too. Stand up to ACLU and the problem is half solved. Elect a new city council and county supervisors who will fight this blight. Not roll over and whinge about it.
Wow, speculation and snide comments abound! Do any of the commenters actually know what’s going on? Have they been there to see what is in the park? Do they know whether the tents said to be there (no photos?) are permitted by IV Parks & Rec or the County or…? Are you folks just sitting at your keyboard waiting for something to respond to despite not being familiar with the situation? Do you know it’s even true?
Wow, speculation and snide comments abound! Do any of the commenters actually know what’s going on? Have they been there to see what is in the park? Do they know whether the tents said to be there (no photos?) are permitted by IV Parks & Rec or the County or…? Are you folks just sitting at your keyboard waiting for something to respond to despite not being familiar with the situation? Do you know it’s even true?
CA= liberal wasteland
CA= liberal wasteland
But why can’t there be a tent city up there?
But why can’t there be a tent city up there?
Great point @10:51 AM. Sadly property owners will be the next ones living in tents with no viable income to pay the mortgage, taxes, insurance etc. It’s only going to get worse.
Great point @10:51 AM. Sadly property owners will be the next ones living in tents with no viable income to pay the mortgage, taxes, insurance etc. It’s only going to get worse.
now that the camp is established..it will probably remain as camp sites are not being demolished due to the corona virus and fears of campers spreading virus through community if made to relocate. Another park gone… Official camp areas need to be set up with bathroom and laundry facilities. The homeless are not going away..in fact, the numbers are increasing.
now that the camp is established..it will probably remain as camp sites are not being demolished due to the corona virus and fears of campers spreading virus through community if made to relocate. Another park gone… Official camp areas need to be set up with bathroom and laundry facilities. The homeless are not going away..in fact, the numbers are increasing.
And you’re doing what to fix/stop it ?
And you’re doing what to fix/stop it ?
When the party in power hates the poor and is driving the country into chaos – we will see more tents.
When the party in power hates the poor and is driving the country into chaos – we will see more tents.
It’s definitely there…and it’s definitely a problem. Not sure if the REI tents came directly from REI or via some sort of grant or government program, but a whole slew of new REI (which are high end) tents popped up around May…to go along with the rag tag assortment of tarps, canopies and several quite large TEEPEES! Wild times…what could go wrong though???!!!
It’s definitely there…and it’s definitely a problem. Not sure if the REI tents came directly from REI or via some sort of grant or government program, but a whole slew of new REI (which are high end) tents popped up around May…to go along with the rag tag assortment of tarps, canopies and several quite large TEEPEES! Wild times…what could go wrong though???!!!
@ GENERALTREE-The local “Party in Power” is at fault- This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Federal level- Our local D.A. is TOLD to Stand Down as are the Sheriff’s… Clue In.
@ GENERALTREE-The local “Party in Power” is at fault- This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Federal level- Our local D.A. is TOLD to Stand Down as are the Sheriff’s… Clue In.
@Coastwatch. Wrong. These are orders from federal and state health officials, NOT politicians. Health officials reported that disrupting these camps will further spread the virus throughout communities and for now it’s best to let them be. Not the ideal solution but we’re in a pandemic and this is the best one for overall public health.
@Coastwatch. Wrong. These are orders from federal and state health officials, NOT politicians. Health officials reported that disrupting these camps will further spread the virus throughout communities and for now it’s best to let them be. Not the ideal solution but we’re in a pandemic and this is the best one for overall public health.
Best for overall public health? You should probably swing by one of these days. It’s a circus that’s definitely not in the public health’s best interest? I guess it makes it easier for Paramedics to find the right spot to go when a Narcan shot is needed, but it’s a mess and it’s being encouraged by the local powers that be.
Best for overall public health? You should probably swing by one of these days. It’s a circus that’s definitely not in the public health’s best interest? I guess it makes it easier for Paramedics to find the right spot to go when a Narcan shot is needed, but it’s a mess and it’s being encouraged by the local powers that be.
Most of them are getting a check directly deposited every month so they have plenty of money for drugs and alcohol along with a free cell phone.
Most of them are getting a check directly deposited every month so they have plenty of money for drugs and alcohol along with a free cell phone.
Where in the hell is Pearl Chase, Sheila Lodge,
And the 1925 earthquake when you need them???? (Okay, minus the loss of life.)
Where in the hell is Pearl Chase, Sheila Lodge,
And the 1925 earthquake when you need them???? (Okay, minus the loss of life.)
So how about my plan about making a Tent City up north or the Inland Empire?
So how about my plan about making a Tent City up north or the Inland Empire?
It’s the economy, stupid. People were clutching their pearls when Hoovervilles started popping up in the beginning of the Depression. Now we have Trumpvilles and the government has propped up the economy by spending like a drunk sailor. They have made temporary fixes so far and I doubt a stumbling old politician past his prime or a babbling, ignorant old con man will make a long term solution. Fasten your seat belts and brace for impact.
It’s the economy, stupid. People were clutching their pearls when Hoovervilles started popping up in the beginning of the Depression. Now we have Trumpvilles and the government has propped up the economy by spending like a drunk sailor. They have made temporary fixes so far and I doubt a stumbling old politician past his prime or a babbling, ignorant old con man will make a long term solution. Fasten your seat belts and brace for impact.
Talking about the complexities of this issue isn’t going to placate the “Send em to Ventura” crowd. But I appreciate your efforts.
Talking about the complexities of this issue isn’t going to placate the “Send em to Ventura” crowd. But I appreciate your efforts.
Byzantium: Your comments are exactly what is wrong with the attempt to have a successful dialogue.
Byzantium: Your comments are exactly what is wrong with the attempt to have a successful dialogue.
Duke Munson: Glen Mowrer here. You are fantasizing I think. I am not representing anyone in Isla Vista or elsewhere as I have not been in active practice for years. Where did you come up with this stuff?
Glen Mowrer
Duke Munson: Glen Mowrer here. You are fantasizing I think. I am not representing anyone in Isla Vista or elsewhere as I have not been in active practice for years. Where did you come up with this stuff?
Glen Mowrer
As stated, I Googled “tent city isla vista” and the below link came up (first or second I believe”). Here is the link… not sure why they are using your name… http://www.hopedance.org/home/housing-news/1032-799
As stated, I Googled “tent city isla vista” and the below link came up (first or second I believe”). Here is the link… not sure why they are using your name… http://www.hopedance.org/home/housing-news/1032-799
Once again, the identified problem was created by a long time democrat/liberal led government in our area.
Once again, the identified problem was created by a long time democrat/liberal led government in our area.
Googled this:
1967 Ronald Reagan is elected governor of California. At this point, the number of patients in state hospitals had fallen to 22,000, and the Reagan administration uses the decline as a reason to make cuts to the Department of Mental Hygiene. They cut 2,600 jobs and 10 percent of the budget despite reports showing that hospitals were already below recommended staffing levels.
1967 Reagan signs the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act and ends the practice of institutionalizing patients against their will, or for indefinite amounts of time. This law is regarded by some as a “patient’s bill of rights”. Sadly, the care outside state hospitals was inadequate. The year after the law goes into effect, a study shows the number of mentally ill people entering San Mateo’s criminal justice system doubles.
1981 President Reagan repeals Carter’s legislation with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. This pushes the responsibility of mentally ill patients back to the states. The legislation creates block grants for the states, but federal spending on mental illness declines.
Googled this:
1967 Ronald Reagan is elected governor of California. At this point, the number of patients in state hospitals had fallen to 22,000, and the Reagan administration uses the decline as a reason to make cuts to the Department of Mental Hygiene. They cut 2,600 jobs and 10 percent of the budget despite reports showing that hospitals were already below recommended staffing levels.
1967 Reagan signs the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act and ends the practice of institutionalizing patients against their will, or for indefinite amounts of time. This law is regarded by some as a “patient’s bill of rights”. Sadly, the care outside state hospitals was inadequate. The year after the law goes into effect, a study shows the number of mentally ill people entering San Mateo’s criminal justice system doubles.
1981 President Reagan repeals Carter’s legislation with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. This pushes the responsibility of mentally ill patients back to the states. The legislation creates block grants for the states, but federal spending on mental illness declines.
Could be you’re voting for people that don’t truly care to make a difference.
Could be you’re voting for people that don’t truly care to make a difference.
Chillin, vagrancy is a local issue, an ACLU issue, and up until now a 9th Circuit court issue – time to bust up the legal constraints that have long prevented mitigation of these health and safety blights e. The more ideologically diverse Trump era 9th Circuit court will start making a difference – applying the law even-handedly, instead of engaging in extra-legal judicial activism that created two systems of justice; which is intolerable in a just society.
Chillin, vagrancy is a local issue, an ACLU issue, and up until now a 9th Circuit court issue – time to bust up the legal constraints that have long prevented mitigation of these health and safety blights e. The more ideologically diverse Trump era 9th Circuit court will start making a difference – applying the law even-handedly, instead of engaging in extra-legal judicial activism that created two systems of justice; which is intolerable in a just society.
Jence, the better question is what do you oppose. Every reasonable suggestion always gets shot down. What opposition will get thrown up, that only protects the current, and unacceptable, status quo. How does one get around the constant barriers so a permanent solution can be found. Otherwise, methinks vagrants just want to vagrant.
Jence, the better question is what do you oppose. Every reasonable suggestion always gets shot down. What opposition will get thrown up, that only protects the current, and unacceptable, status quo. How does one get around the constant barriers so a permanent solution can be found. Otherwise, methinks vagrants just want to vagrant.
Wasteland might more appropriately describe Toxic Alley along the Mississippi River, or maybe anywhere in west Texas, or perhaps the ruined forests of coal mining West Virginia, or maybe the nuclear polluted eastern Washington, or……?????? But California has done a better job than most places in the US of protecting residents from the predations of corporate policy, thanks mostly to it being liberal and progressive.
Wasteland might more appropriately describe Toxic Alley along the Mississippi River, or maybe anywhere in west Texas, or perhaps the ruined forests of coal mining West Virginia, or maybe the nuclear polluted eastern Washington, or……?????? But California has done a better job than most places in the US of protecting residents from the predations of corporate policy, thanks mostly to it being liberal and progressive.
You actually do not know what you are talking about and the use of the word “Bum” highlights that. Homeless people do not have access to everything. If they did, they wouldn’t be homeless. They cannot get a “Welfare Debit Card” easily as most homeless don’t qualify. Maybe you are referring to the SSDI that you get when you are disabled? It takes months to get it, if you qualify for it in the first place and the tedious process is now done over the phone. You have to wait on hold for at least an hour, sometimes two, just to get a phone appt 1-2 weeks later. A phone appt where they ask you questions for another 45 minutes. Most homeless can’t do the process without help. So no, it’s not an easy process with those piece of crap phones they give out. You can’t even get one without a valid ID, which is a whole other process that unless you have a voucher, costs money that they don’t have. Maybe you should spend sometime working with them to get some perspective.
You actually do not know what you are talking about and the use of the word “Bum” highlights that. Homeless people do not have access to everything. If they did, they wouldn’t be homeless. They cannot get a “Welfare Debit Card” easily as most homeless don’t qualify. Maybe you are referring to the SSDI that you get when you are disabled? It takes months to get it, if you qualify for it in the first place and the tedious process is now done over the phone. You have to wait on hold for at least an hour, sometimes two, just to get a phone appt 1-2 weeks later. A phone appt where they ask you questions for another 45 minutes. Most homeless can’t do the process without help. So no, it’s not an easy process with those piece of crap phones they give out. You can’t even get one without a valid ID, which is a whole other process that unless you have a voucher, costs money that they don’t have. Maybe you should spend sometime working with them to get some perspective.
Is there a general “type” living there? Are they folks who have been houseless for years, folks with substance abuse problems, untreated mental illnesses, etc? Long time locals, recent transients? Are they students looking for a low cost way to get through college? Mixed population? When I was a student in the 80s I knew two students, one who lived in his car in IV, and one who slept in campus buildings on the sly. They were focused on school and had jobs, but couldn’t afford school and rent both. I think it was stressful for them, but as students they had access to the gym for showers, so they managed quite well.
Is there a general “type” living there? Are they folks who have been houseless for years, folks with substance abuse problems, untreated mental illnesses, etc? Long time locals, recent transients? Are they students looking for a low cost way to get through college? Mixed population? When I was a student in the 80s I knew two students, one who lived in his car in IV, and one who slept in campus buildings on the sly. They were focused on school and had jobs, but couldn’t afford school and rent both. I think it was stressful for them, but as students they had access to the gym for showers, so they managed quite well.
Those of us who have never spent a month homeless cannot know what it is like. You can “imagine” and theorize but you have no REAL idea. And people without homes are individuals, they’re not all alike. Some have serious mental health issues (made worse by homelessness). Some have physical disabilities. Some are veterans with ptsd from their mi,Italy service on our behalf. Some have lived the life long enough that they don’t want to or can’t conform to “normal” living and working, and have developed survival skills that don’t mesh well with the rest of society. Some are addicts, some are suicidal, some are criminal. Some are desperate to return to normal life but don’t know how because the transition is beyond their ability. I don’t have answers to the problems, but I do realize that “there, but for the grace of God, go I.”
Those of us who have never spent a month homeless cannot know what it is like. You can “imagine” and theorize but you have no REAL idea. And people without homes are individuals, they’re not all alike. Some have serious mental health issues (made worse by homelessness). Some have physical disabilities. Some are veterans with ptsd from their mi,Italy service on our behalf. Some have lived the life long enough that they don’t want to or can’t conform to “normal” living and working, and have developed survival skills that don’t mesh well with the rest of society. Some are addicts, some are suicidal, some are criminal. Some are desperate to return to normal life but don’t know how because the transition is beyond their ability. I don’t have answers to the problems, but I do realize that “there, but for the grace of God, go I.”
Yeah, okay fine.
But can’t we build facilities in say Shandon, King City, etc?
I think they would bring a lot of jobs to the area. Folsom is all fine and good but when you’ve actually seen it, you never wanna go back to that town.
Yeah, okay fine.
But can’t we build facilities in say Shandon, King City, etc?
I think they would bring a lot of jobs to the area. Folsom is all fine and good but when you’ve actually seen it, you never wanna go back to that town.
Oh, that cite is from 2009 I think. It is also inaccurate in that I never represented all those folks. I did handle one case and did argue that the County Ordinance did not apply. Unfortunately that argument lost. That litigation has nothing to do with whatever is currently happening. People who have cases involving citations for camping and such can contact the People’s Justice Project, Joseph Biko Doherty at 805.242.6691 or peoplesjusticeproject.org. FYI
Glen Mowrer
Oh, that cite is from 2009 I think. It is also inaccurate in that I never represented all those folks. I did handle one case and did argue that the County Ordinance did not apply. Unfortunately that argument lost. That litigation has nothing to do with whatever is currently happening. People who have cases involving citations for camping and such can contact the People’s Justice Project, Joseph Biko Doherty at 805.242.6691 or peoplesjusticeproject.org. FYI
Glen Mowrer