Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

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Update by edhat staff
December 12, 2019
 

The Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors have approved a ban on flavored tobacco in unincorporated areas.

Four supervisors approved the ban with Peter Adam of the Fourth District dissenting.

The amended ordinance to Licensure to Tobacco Retailers includes requirements to prevent youth exposure to tobacco, including electronic smoking devices, also known as vaping, and flavored tobacco products. It also prohibits mail-order deliveries, coupons for discounted tobacco, and small pack sales.

The legal smoking age to buy tobacco is 21 years in the State of California.

Final approval of the ordinance is scheduled for December 17 and could take effect within 90 days if approved.


County Supervisors Consider Flavored Tobacco Ban

By edhat staff
December 10, 2019

The Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors are meeting Tuesday to discuss a ban on flavored tobacco.

The ban will only be effective in the unincorporated areas of the county.

The proposed ordinance or County Code Chapter 37A - Licensure to Tobacco Retailers will include language that provides strengthened public health requirements for tobacco retailers in an effort to prevent youth exposure to tobacco, including electronic smoking devices and flavored tobacco products.

"The amendment provides a multi-pronged approach to address underage nicotine use and regulate businesses to prevent youth access to nicotine and tobacco products. The amendment includes language to prohibit the sale of flavored tobacco products, prohibit small and inexpensive pack sizes, prohibit coupons that allow a consumer to purchase a tobacco product for less than the full retail price, prohibit the sale of any tobacco product to a consumer through a multiple-package discount or otherwise provide any such product to a consumer for less than the full retail price. This item will prohibit the mail-order, home delivery of tobacco products to consumers," according to the county's website.

The City of Santa Maria has already approved a similar ban.

The Center for Disease Control (CDC) reports 42 people have died from complications with vaping prompting many local governments to take action.

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ParvoPup Dec 12, 2019 09:40 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Whats the big deal? They only banned it in the forgotten lands of the unincorporated parts of the county. Which means squat since I don't know of any 7-11 along the 166 to Cuyama. Need a Juul - go to Lompoc or Vandenberg Village or Orcutt or Santa Maria or Guadalupe or Buellton or Solvang or Santa Ynez or Goleta or SB or Summerland or Carp. Or just order the damn things online like the kids do.

Z Dec 12, 2019 03:51 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Good on 'em, it's only outlaws and ruffians what lives in unincorporated areas. Maybe death penalty for postal workers making deliveries of illicit substances out there.

a-1576189467 Dec 12, 2019 02:24 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

But the yutes can be exposed to pot. Rich. So, does this mean that no one can mail order tobacco at much cheaper rates anymore, once it takes effect? Or does this just apply to vaping? I need to go stock up on my mint flavored juice now and order a few bags of decently priced tobacco since they think they can ban grown adults from doing that. I will also be consulting with an attorney to see if this is even legal (constitutionally).

AdamVant Dec 12, 2019 01:27 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Ban this, ban that. Officious, overbearing, finger-wagging scolds telling others how to live their lives. Bunch of intermeddling Gladys Kravitz busybodies.

Flicka Dec 12, 2019 10:55 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

ZEROHAWK, The number of deaths, and those getting really sick, are updated on the TV news. You think it's all a scam? I doubt it.

pstarSR Dec 13, 2019 08:31 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Its not a scam, its just NOT the same thing. please the CDC even released a statement saying it was "bootleg THC cartridges containing Vitamin E acetate". The flavor ban, the addiction issue, the underage getting a hold of them issue are all completely different topics and discussions.

its like eating a cheeseburger, your friend cooked but he calls it a "big mac". he prepares it horribly, and dangerously under cooked. you get salmonella you die. do you sue Mc Donalds? Burger King? remove burgers from menus because they are dangerous? outlaw burger patties because they are an unknown un controllable substance that no one can manage.

PitMix Dec 12, 2019 01:18 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

1:12, more accurately, it's like taking alcohol with strawberry flavors in containers decorated by unicorns and snowboard heroes out of the stores because people are being killed by homemade alcohol. But you are still ignoring all of the legal products containing nicotine that are addicting our kids who think vaping is cool. There still will be enough time to get addicted and ruin their lives when they are 21.

a-1576185172 Dec 12, 2019 01:12 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

FLICKA - to draw a parallel, it is like taking regulated alcohol off the shelves because people are being killed by homemade alcohol.

Flicka Dec 11, 2019 10:51 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Kids are dying from these vaping devices. Sure, they told us almost 60 years ago tobacco could cause lung cancer and heart problems. So, any of us smoking knew the risks, sort of like playing Russian roulette. But it didn't happen as fast as these vaping children are getting sick, and dying. I know a drug and alcohol counselor who said people told him it's harder to quit smoking than quitting heroin. Sure, kids can get the mail order ones, they don't check IDs. Anything to prevent children getting addicted and dying is a good thing.

forrestmv18 Dec 13, 2019 08:57 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Smoking with teens is the lowest in history. Victory! Vaping commercial products has zero health risk. Victory! Vaping homemade concoctions can be deleterious and yet the number of problems compared to the number of users is so small it is laughable. Pot is far more dangerous than commercial vaping products and yet we are demonizing vaping and openly advertising and selling pot. We are nuts.

PitMix Dec 12, 2019 11:39 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Zero, if everything we see is just online media hype paid for by lobbyists, wouldn't your comment be the ultimate in fake news? If you can't trust anything, that means we definitely can't take anything you say as the truth. I don't see how your nihilistic approach solves anything.

pstarSR Dec 11, 2019 11:35 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

no they actually are NOT "dying" from these. this is the issue other are pissed off about and so am I, I dont vape. But the ILLEGAL BOOTLEG BACKYARD vape products that DID cause the illness's are being lumped into this. where the flavors have NOTHING to do with the illness. the flavors have everything to do with peoples personal choice, and if the rules are applied or not. 1. why are underage kids buying these when they are 18+ 2. alcohol is flavored just the same 3. so as adults we are subject to only " legal " flavors of alcohol/ tobacco/ or anything else someone deems "illicit". Stop spreading rumors, this ban has NOTHING to do with the Illness's caused by Vitamin E acetate included in bootleg THC cartridges.

PitMix Dec 12, 2019 11:41 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

So you think this strategy will be ineffective, which means we shouldn't try it? Sometimes when you see bad things happening, you have to try something. What is your solution to providing addictive nicotine products to kids?

SBLetsGetAlong Dec 11, 2019 07:53 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

“ to prevent youth access to nicotine and tobacco products.”
It is illegal to sell to minors. Regardless of flavor, it’s already illegal!

That’s not enough? Put bar codes on the vape pens and trace them to the POS (point of sale), take them from minors and fine the store that sold them to the consumer.

Punish the stores that sell or allow these products to get into the hands of kids.

While we’re looking out for children’s health and safety, let’s go all out and ban sugar like NYC, ban big gulps, supersize sodas, yoplait yogurts, candy, etc...
Make it illegal to sell sugar, candy and sodas to minors. It causes diabetes, obesity, and other health problems.

Just because the symptoms don’t immediately appear doesn’t mean they’re not dangerous to health.

jqb Dec 12, 2019 05:30 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

"virtue signal" is a term that sociopathic right wingers use to signal to other sociopathic right wingers that they're on the team.

forrestmv18 Dec 13, 2019 09:00 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Inhaling burning organic matter is irrefutably bad for your lungs. Vaping commercial products has zero negative effect on your lungs. Whether high or low in THC, smoking pot is not good for you from a physiological point of view.

sacjon Dec 12, 2019 11:45 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Pit - No, you said "Sacjon, you cannot prove that cannabis never killed anyone. " Now you're saying no one has ever died from THC. Which is it?

PitMix Dec 11, 2019 03:53 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Sacjon, using words like cannot and NEVER are not your friends. You can die from THC. But the amount that would kill you is so large that probably no one ever has died from an overdose so you are right about that. The median lethal dose according to Stoner on Westworld is 666 mg/kg, or about 53 grams of THC for a 175 lb person. Wonder how much that would cost at our local Mission St dispensary?

sacjon Dec 11, 2019 01:37 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

PITMIX - If you think it is "hyperbole" that THC/cannabis has never killed anyone, then I'm not sure I can help you here. Sure, someone got stoned and hit a tree, and someone else got lung cancer from smoking foreign substances, or the lady in Louisiana died from vaping (caused by additives, not THC)...but my point is that THC (the active chemical in cannabis) has NEVER killed anyone on its own. You cannot die/overdose from THC. It has never happened. Please educate yourself.

PitMix Dec 11, 2019 01:17 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Sacjon, you cannot prove that cannabis never killed anyone. So that is hyperbole. Just as I cannot prove that cannabis is deadly to everyone. But I would assert that cannabis usage is linked to death in many ways. Maybe my friend's cancer. Maybe the guy that was high that drove into a tree. Maybe the people that got addicted to THC and then moved on to stronger drugs and overdosed. Making addictive substances available to lots of people and especially youth is never a good idea.

sacjon Dec 11, 2019 10:53 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

PITMIX - there are many causes of lung cancer, not just smoking. I'm talking about ALL THC products. Cannabis has never, not once, not ever, killed anyone. Even if the lung cancer is from smoking, it is from inhaling burned material, not necessarily caused by cannabis and/or THC.

SantaBarbaraObserver Dec 11, 2019 10:05 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Radon gas is the #2 cause of lung cancer. Radon gas is present in a sizable number of homes and buildings in Santa Barbara. But let's not let facts get in the way of our opinions...

RHS Dec 11, 2019 09:35 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

And I know a long time tobacco user that has never had lung cancer or anything else. What does this anecdotal stuff tell us? We are foolish to even consider such testimony.

PitMix Dec 11, 2019 08:28 AM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Sacjon, I know a long-time pot smoker that now has lung cancer. Never smoked cigarettes. Studies show that marijuana smoke has many of the same harmful substances as tobacco, and often more of them. Among the hazards are:

Benzo(a)pyrene
Benz(a)anthracene
Phenols
Vinyl chlorides
Nitrosamines
Reactive oxygen species

When scientists looked at lung tissue of some people who smoked weed regularly, they found changes that are known to signal the future growth of cancer. Maybe you are talking about tinctures and thc candy?

sacjon Dec 10, 2019 04:41 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Parvopup - there's a huge difference between flavored tobacco products and cannabis, legal or not. Tobacco can kill you, cannabis cannot.

Factotum Dec 10, 2019 02:37 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

Every new regulation requires more county employees to enforce it. Of course the current crop of supervisors support the nanny state - telling people what they can and can not do as well as hiring more of their union buddies to enforce all these new regulations. No, this is not worthy of consideration. If people want to make stupid consumer choices, let them. PSA's are good enough.

a-1576014821 Dec 10, 2019 01:53 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

if this is targeted to underage users, then why prohibit mail order to "consumers", and mail order for less than retail? WHY! How does that have anything to do with use by those underage? It doesn't is the answer. This law is a ruse - kids aren't buying these things mail -order. It's already been proven that the recent vaping illnesses were linked to black market products containing THC and vitamin E oil as a carrier - which solidifies in the lungs and blocks the airways.

a-1576199311 Dec 12, 2019 05:08 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

PITMIX I don't work at any "store", assuming you are referring to a vape store. I do however purchase mail order products and it's ridiculous that now I can't. Parents need to watch their kids - where do you think they get the money from? Please - parental failure is what causes these things, and banning adults from choices like cheaper mail order is completely illegal.

a-1576199311 Dec 12, 2019 05:08 PM
Supervisors Approve Flavored Tobacco Ban

PITMIX I don't work at any "store", assuming you are referring to a vape store. I do however purchase mail order products and it's ridiculous that now I can't. Parents need to watch their kids - where do you think they get the money from? Please - parental failure is what causes these things, and banning adults from choices like cheaper mail order is completely illegal.

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