SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

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Source: City of Santa Barbara

In order to ensure that our customers are getting the very best information about their electricity service, Santa Barbara Clean Energy is sharing a recent announcement made by Southern California Edison (Edison) stating that it has raised its electricity delivery rates by an average of $0.02/kWh effective October 1st. This rate increase will equate to roughly $10 per month for the average customer and will affect both Santa Barbara Clean Energy and Edison customers. Edison’s rate increase is tied to the delivery of electricity to ALL customers in Santa Barbara (and the entire Edison service area) and is based on the increasing costs of updating poles, wires, and other infrastructure. For more information visit www.sce.com/bill_change.

“Edison’s rate increase is specifically related to the infrastructure needed to deliver power to homes and businesses,” shares Alelia Parenteau, acting sustainability and resilience co-director. “They’ve had to increase rates dramatically in recent years due to heavy investment in infrastructure to prevent wildfires and modernize their grid. Most Santa Barbarans have seen Edison crews working on power poles and wires in their neighborhoods.”

Santa Barbara Clean Energy provides customers with green energy, and Edison delivers the electricity. This is shown on every electricity bill under procurement and delivery rates. Santa Barbara Clean Energy procurement rates are staying the same. Edison’s delivery rate will show the increase of $0.02/kWh on customers’ November statements reflecting October electricity use.

Santa Barbara Clean Energy’s mission is to offer customers green energy options with continued reliable electric service to achieve our community’s ambitious climate goals. This is particularly important because local electricity use accounts for over 20% of Santa Barbara’s greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions.

Santa Barbara Clean Energy also offers incentives and programs to its customers that leverage Santa Barbara Clean Energy’s carbon-free electricity in ways that will greatly help achieve the city’s carbon neutrality goals. Benefits include rebates on electric vehicles, reduced-cost electric bike memberships, trying out induction cookware, home energy audits, and discounts on locally made battery back-up systems.

For more information about the Santa Barbara Clean Energy program, the various clean energy choices, programs and incentives, frequently asked questions and more, please visit www.SBCleanEnergy.com or call (805) 897-1979.

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PitMix Nov 10, 2021 02:11 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

That nuclear reactor that Bill Gates likes- not a one has been built in the US. I don't think we should base our plans on an untested unproven technology that generates toxic waste with nowhere to put it.

As for French nuclear power, are we really emulating their science now? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-nuclear-accidents/factbox-a-brief-history-of-french-nuclear-accidents-idUSTRE78B59J20110912

PitMix Nov 10, 2021 07:31 AM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Just got a mailer that says to switch back to SCE, you will have to pay a fee! Maybe no fee in the 1st 60 days, but it was a little confusing on that part. Buyer beware.

a-1636494167 Nov 09, 2021 01:42 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

A little education on nuclear fission as a source of power:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lsquo-advanced-rsquo-nuclear-reactors-don-rsquo-t-hold-your-breath/

a-1636577971 Nov 10, 2021 12:59 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

10:06 - I guess you don't have much information on that subject. Or, if you think the current storage arrangements are safe, you have a very high risk tolerance for potentially catastrophic events.

a-1636515749 Nov 09, 2021 07:42 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Information on the relative costs of green energy, including fission, showing that fission is not a rational choice. The "new design" molten salt reactors have problems with containment vessel erosion, and still produce waste isotopes that are dangerous for hundreds of years. Their upfront costs and insurance costs are huge. No matter your ideology, lifecycle analysis shows that wind and solar are cheaper and better.

https://www.nrel.gov/analysis/life-cycle-assessment.html

https://www.pnas.org/content/112/20/6277

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/the-decreasing-cost-of-renewables-unlikely-to-plateau-anytime-soon/

https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/839371

Evaluations of some of the lies that are being spread about green energy:

https://skepticalscience.com/renewable-energy-baseload-power.htm

https://skepticalscience.com/renewable-energy-investment-kills-jobs.htm

https://skepticalscience.com/renewable-energy-is-too-expensive.htm

https://skepticalscience.com/lives-clean-energy-save-by-state.html

a-1636513121 Nov 09, 2021 06:58 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Standard right-wing BS to bash science. There is no safe method yet devised for handling nuclear waste from fission, and the upfront costs to build/time to recoup such are large. Wind and solar are much cheaper, and their advantage is increasing with time.

a-1636495636 Nov 09, 2021 02:07 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Subtitle from your link: "There’s little evidence that they’d be cheaper or safer than existing designs" Yes, because the existing technology is safe and has excellent safety record particularly in the US. Safer than oil and coal. The two international incidents in the past 70 years; one was the result of gross negligence (Chernobyl) , the other an extreme natural disaster (Fukishima) the repercussions of which were less drastic than other industrial accidents and oil spills. Fact check: true but very misleading.

Lucky 777 Nov 09, 2021 09:59 AM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

I opted out. But apparently they "have no record of it" and I am enrolled. Today I called to make sure I was NOT and they told me I had not, and when I asked to make it so effective immediately they said I was switched to the Green and Clean "by state law" and that even IF they assure me I have opted out as of TODAY they will still bill me for an entire billing cycle and THEN I will be switched "back" to SCE at the end of next month. WITH a "reinstatement" charge. What a crock.

MikeDrigger Nov 09, 2021 08:43 AM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Santa Barbara is lying when they say their energy is "greener." There is no "greener" energy, it is all the same. SB gets kick backs for offering this amazing "greener" energy, it's a crock of sh!#. When you turn on a light bulb and you're connected to the grid. The light bulb does not know you are buying "greener" energy it just does what you tell it do and turns on. The electrons just flow and there is no distinction between a greener electron when you are on the grid. The only greener energy is if you are personally producing it in a "green" way.

It will have absolutely no impact on our current climate situation. The changes are here, it will only get worse, it would have maybe been a little better if we had done something about it 30 years ago but now just hold on for the ride because the roller coaster has just left the platform. It's sad...

MikeDrigger Nov 10, 2021 10:22 AM
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You still don't understand...Yes if you generate your own power and store it then yes it is better for charging your toys. Plugging in your toys without your own storage system well then, you're using the grid, therefore fossil fuels. The only thing an EV does is convert AC to DC from the grid, they don't save energy.

PitMix Nov 10, 2021 07:39 AM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Miked, if they have contracts with solar and wind farms, then their power can certainly be greener. To the extent that they need supplemental fossil fuel power during cold days, and nights, then they will still use fossil fuel until they get their storage worked out. That is just the current reality. BTW, you do know that generating electricity and using it in your Tesla is way more efficient than converting gas to power in your Hummer or Jeep, right?
"Natural gas power plants are 42-60% efficient. "
"EVs convert over 77% of the electrical energy from the grid to power at the wheels."
So total efficiency is 32 to 46%.
Conventional gasoline vehicles only convert about 12%–30% of the energy stored in gasoline to power at the wheels."

MikeDrigger Nov 09, 2021 10:50 AM
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Pitmix, it does not work like that. Green energy is not stored somewhere special to make your tv greener, your electric car greener. You are using a power grid that is made up of almost all fossil fuel generation. You can't buy green energy but you can create these "community energy groups" to make people think that is happening, change rates around to benefit city councils pocket books. Our power grid is not set up like that. Do your our research and find your own link...

PitMix Nov 09, 2021 10:00 AM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

This argument doesn't hold a charge, to me. If the source of the electrons is greener, then the electrons powering your 80-in TV will be greener. Their greenness will not be absorbed by the nuclear power electrons in the SCE grid being sent to SBTownie. If you are trying to argue that they don't have more access to greener power sources than SCE uses, then you have to provide a link for that.

SBTownie Nov 09, 2021 03:23 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Wait till Pit finds out he's still an SCE customer, getting the same power dirty ol' Townie is getting funneled into Townie's house... Pit just paid someone to be the middleman to send him fliers in the mail to make him feel like he was doing a goodness and getting green energy piped directly from the wind turbines to his specific abode.

ParvoPup Nov 08, 2021 08:58 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

There is nothing any individual can do at this point other than temporarily alleviate their own guilt.

Any substantive solution to climate change will take the entire planet's population acting as one unified entity - which we all know has never been done and never will be done.

This earth is going to shake us off like fleas on a dog and it has all been our own doing.

a-1636423764 Nov 08, 2021 06:09 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

How do these new rat es affect the choice to use the city's new aggregator? I have not been able to figure out who to trust and whether to opt out or stay with SCE.

Zenyatta19 Nov 08, 2021 08:13 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Opt out. The city claims the energy they will procure will be “ greener” but it’s not. They opted everyone in at the highest rate. 100% green energy. But your neighbor who opted out is getting dirty energy? Nope it’s all the same. Community Choice Energy is a scam no matter which way you slice it. It’s an added level of government bureaucracy that does nothing to fix our main issues. SCE still distributes the power. Grid reliability still falls with them. CCAs don’t give rebates for rooftop solar because they don’t want to lose behind the meter costs. Opting out will save you $ in the long run, but rooftop solar and backup storage is truly the best bet to save the planet.

CoastWatch Nov 08, 2021 06:05 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

A % of every bill you pay is SUPPOSED to go towards upgrading/maintaining their infrastructure... INSTEAD, Edison Administrators and Management give themselves BILLIONS of dollars in raises annually. Pay up suckers

Gregoreo Nov 08, 2021 05:47 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

The chickens are coming home to roost! The wildfire liability issue is probably the biggest driver here. I think the social contract for 100% grid reliability incorporates the risk that shit can happen. It’s a total bummer when it happens to you, but it’s baked into the cake. Next we have the “price on carbon” scam to make energy more expensive. The costs always trickle down to us suckers that need energy for stuff. The cost of energy isn’t just a “us” problem, look at China and Europe. China has been rationing electricity, and people are going to die this winter.

a-1636493376 Nov 09, 2021 01:29 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

What's mindboggling is that even though they're shutting down Diablo and San Clemente, the waste is still being stored onsite. Simply asinine to have built the infrastructure of a plant, having it now producing carbon free electricity, then shut it down while storing the nuclear waste on site. Makes a great talking point for elections but a big step backward in the actual reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. Newsome just authorized the construction of diesel generators (a step above coal in it's dirtiness) to shore up our power grid. Prudent thing to do was keep these plants operating until alterative green sources (which is not diesel generators) can be brought online.

a-1636493107 Nov 09, 2021 01:25 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

That is incorrect to state that nuclear waste is being stored unsafely at plants that generate it. The US has very successfully stored nuclear waste safely since the 50's. What many also don't appreciate is that why nuclear waste is hazardous, the actual volume of waste produced is rather minuscule.

letmego Nov 09, 2021 01:09 PM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Yeah, PITMIX, that's the problem - that we allow states to refuse to hold the waste, even if they generated it. And of course, same goes for the nuclear waste from submarines and Aircraft carriers, which is technically the responsibility of the entire US. This has been going on for decades.

SBTownie Nov 09, 2021 10:04 AM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

So you're really telling me you're worried about waste up in SLO at Diablo Canyon? That keeps you up at night? The theatrics around this place are truly mind boggling.

PitMix Nov 09, 2021 10:02 AM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Name one, given that no state in the US will accept nuclear waste, and it is currently stored unsafely at the sites that generated it.

Numerous safe ways, now I've heard everything!

SBTownie Nov 09, 2021 09:34 AM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

What ever happened to ChemicalSuperFreak? Sure hope he is ok. He would be a great resource for explaining the numerous safe ways to store nuclear waste. Like our shared favorite, burying it in the Canadian Shield. Where it won't see the light of day for millions of years. Nuclear waste is put in safe containers and can literally just be stored on open lots. Unless you drive a missile straight into one on those canisters and live literally 25' from that blast site, there is nothing to worry about. A lot of big babies on this board. Never seen so many grown adults hysterical about something so trivially threatening. Oh, wait... we also have the anti-vaxxers. The anti-vaxxers and the anti-nukers have a lot in common. It's called histrionics and a complete detachment from reality.

SBTownie Nov 09, 2021 09:30 AM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Nuclear waste is literally stored all over this country. When was the last time you were affected? Have you ever traveled to France? Were you worried about a nuclear meltdown or being poisoned by stored spent nuclear waste while you were there? Stop being a histrionic about nuclear waste.

SantaBarbaraObserver Nov 09, 2021 09:04 AM
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OK then, go ahead and cite the various methods for safe disposal of nuclear waste for eternity. There are billions to be made, so what's your excuse for keeping these solutions to yourself?

SBTownie Nov 09, 2021 08:55 AM
SoCal Edison Announces Rate Hike for All Customers

Observer, your understanding of nuclear waste is elementary, at best. Scaremongering and ignorant. Sounds like you watched too much The Simpsons and thought nuclear waste is glowing green goo. There are endless safe ways to manage nuclear waste.

SantaBarbaraObserver Nov 09, 2021 08:27 AM
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Climate friendly? Your understanding of nuclear waste is the same as your understanding of everything else Loon. Astoundingly naive to state that nuclear fission is environmentally safe. I suppose to you, leaving radioactive waste to be managed by countless future generations, for 5000+ years is perhaps the least environmentally friendly thing anyone could do...

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