So Cal Gas Bill Increase?

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Curious if anyone else received their Gas Bill this month and experienced a massive increase over last year.

Cost per therm in December22 was $1.05329 and now for January cost per therm is $3.44892. Bill was $169.65 for 43therms.

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a-1675141869 Jan 30, 2023 09:11 PM
So Cal Gas Bill Increase?

I hope this increase is investigated and the utility pays for price-gouging.

chico berkeley Jan 30, 2023 05:22 PM
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Gas futures are way down starting next month according to some info and I hope they are right because this naty gas situation is a pain in alot of peoples wallets.

sblocal1967 Jan 30, 2023 01:31 PM
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The same way Obama increased fed taxes to pay for ObamaCare you will see Newsom create some new CA tax to subsidize failed policies to regulate utilities. Follow the money - which party in CA do the large utility commissions donate too? Yep - Dems. So who ends up paying - the makers, the tax payers - who benefits? The takers and non-tax payers. I am not concerned with the wealthier people who can absorb this higher cost. The middle class who pay taxes get screwed.

Voice of Reason Jan 30, 2023 02:17 PM
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edney Jan 30, 2023 11:17 AM
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California is at the end of the line for refined gasoline and natural gas. Here is a map. The top map is liquids, scroll down for the natural gas map.

Andrea Smith Jan 30, 2023 11:16 AM
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It seems like CA is becoming a place that is only habitable by the wealthy elites. Nothing is being done to help the average working shmoe. We were supposed to get gas rebates back in October, what happened to those? We never got ours. Now these insane heating and electric bills and nothing, not a peep, from the governor or our attorney general. If someone can explain this to me without political finger pointing then please do because other places in this nation are NOT experiencing the pain at the pump or in their homes like we are here.

Voice of Reason Jan 30, 2023 02:21 PM
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Socialism is very different from government regulation and you're missing a key part in this specific issue, it wasn't a free market that allowed this but a heavily regulated (by the government) of a public utility.

sacjon Jan 30, 2023 02:12 PM
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ANDREA - you're right. This is outrageous and it should be regulated. I'm not saying otherwise. I was simply pointing out that some complain about "socialism" or "government regulation" then demand lower prices when the market allows increases, like this.

Andrea Smith Jan 30, 2023 02:01 PM
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SACJON utilites are supposed to be regulated. They are in most places. Rate hikes have to be approved. These are basic life necessities, like being able to cook and see at night, and to work. The state absolutely should be regulating this. And if they are not then who is buying who to keep quiet? Never in my life have I witnessed utility companies being able to just, with less than a month's notice, more than double the rates without any oversight, process, or approval. SO what gives here?

sacjon Jan 30, 2023 11:23 AM
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ANDREA - so now you want our Governor to regulate utility prices? I don't understand. Real capitalism means no regulation, even on utilities.

edney Jan 30, 2023 11:12 AM
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Biden sets the tone on the national position on fossil fuels. His position on natural gas use does effect pricing indirectly because the gas market is a futures market. Which means that Sempra and SC Gas had to buy gas back in 2022 for delivery today at the price at that point in time. Here is a chart: Keep in mind that the futures market is so buyers like SC gas can plan ahead with their purchases. The can't say OMG Santa Barbra is almost out of gas,, we need to buy more, the anticipate usage based on years of data and purchase gas for Future delivery months in advance
Biden can directly impact the futures market by denying infrastructure upgrades to pipelines and by denying permits to build new ones. Think of pipelines like the highway. The old highway was two lane and was fine until population growth (demand) pushed us to go to four lanes, now we are building six lanes because you can only fit so much volume through a two lane highway

a-1675110872 Jan 30, 2023 12:34 PM
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And, thankfully, the tone of everyone except the carbon industry has taken the sane path of "get rid of fossil fuels".

letmego Jan 30, 2023 10:11 AM
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Our gas bill only went up about 75%, but that's because our heater was broken so we turned it off.

Andrea Smith Jan 30, 2023 09:40 AM
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So everyone is just accepting this? Seriously? I live in a 600 sq ft rental and my bill was almost $300. I cannot afford this and I'm fairly well paid for this area! And, I have a shared meter and I get a credit and now I don't think that credit is enough but I am not comfortable approaching it as I don't want to rock the boat or create a situation where my LL increases my rent or something. This together with gas and food prices, I don't know how much longer I can sustain this.

Voice of Reason Jan 30, 2023 01:13 PM
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If throwing out a "nope" or "wrong" to factual statements makes you feel better go for it, it may help your feelings but it doesn't make you right.

sacjon Jan 30, 2023 12:51 PM
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VOICE - but you're wrong. Knocking you down a peg is truly a joy for me. This is fun!

mp805 Jan 30, 2023 12:49 PM
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Wish I could upvote this Andrea, I'm in a very similar situation that you described and feeling the pinch as well.

Voice of Reason Jan 30, 2023 12:45 PM
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Ha, just going to throw out a "nope"... Prices are higher throughout the US, and the policies certainly, like I sad, exacerbated CA's recent nat gas spike (feel free to look up the definition of exacerbate). You're also wrong on the XL pipeline - projected to be complete in 2022 and operational in early 2023, and your inability to grasp economic/business matters is showing if you think cancelling leases that could produce in the future don't impact current prices.

sacjon Jan 30, 2023 12:02 PM
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Nope. If those were the reason, other states would be experiencing this, not just CA. In fact, other state' gas prices are plummeting. Also, had he not halted those, they still wouldn't be producing today. It takes a while from the signing of a lease to the gas turning on in your home.

Voice of Reason Jan 30, 2023 11:56 AM
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You mean like halting new oil and gas leases on Federal land? Or canceling the Keystone XL pipeline?

Andrea Smith Jan 30, 2023 11:10 AM
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SACJON yes capitalism can be a problem but we are talking about utilities here. They are supposed to be regulated. I saw comments on SoCalGas' FB page where people are using blankets and hats and hanging their clothes to dry because they will go broke. How are SCE and the gas Company getting away with this? How are they pushing these rate hikes through with no backlash or government oversight? What is going on here? This isn't some retail establishment that can set their prices, these are NECESSITIES and for those of us who rent and cannot go solar or install heat pumps or whatever, we suffer. Just like how SB Clean Energy got away with opting everyone in with a 2 week window to opt out or get charged more! I still am on their stupid expensive plan and it takes 6 months to get off of it unbeknownst to me, or face SCE "transitional" charges {that is partially my fault for waitin so long to opt out but we had just moved and I started a new job at the time and it slipped off my radar]. Everyone wants to spew their political garbage but yet no one is asking how UTILITIES are getting away with this while we have no recourse? We have to heat our homes and use water? Shall I sit in the dark and take cold showers now? I've already started washing clothes less and in cold water and we hardly keep lights on. It's getting ridiculous now!

sacjon Jan 30, 2023 10:39 AM
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Which policies? Name one. Name one Biden initiated policy that made the gas company jack up our prices.

Voice of Reason Jan 30, 2023 10:34 AM
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"Biden's policies have certainly exacerbated the problem" - not off topic.

sacjon Jan 30, 2023 10:01 AM
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So you admit, complaining about Biden here is offtopic. Yeah, very self aware! Proud of your progress!

Voice of Reason Jan 30, 2023 10:00 AM
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While this specific situation between SCE and Sempra certainly smells funny and there have been calls for investigation (see link below), Biden's policies have certainly exacerbated the problem. To deny Biden's energy polies have had a direct and significant negative impact on domestic energy costs (their intended effect) is to deny reality. It makes absolutely zero economic or environmental sense to restrict domestic production while encouraging foreign countries, many with horrible human rights records and environmental controls, to produce and export more to the US.

sacjon Jan 30, 2023 09:47 AM
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ANDREA (and everyone else) - I apologize for my earlier comment about the increase being nominal and not going to bankrupt anyone, that was tone-deaf.

That said, ANDREA, you're absolutely right. We need to do something, but first we need to all understand this is what capitalism does. Instead of wasting tears on Biden (you know who I'm talking to here), take it up with the corporate thieves who are doing this to us. So much misplaced blame! No wonder we can't ever get anything fixed in this country!

Babycakes Jan 30, 2023 08:12 AM
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Our gas bill went up about 200% and our electricity bill just more than double the usual amount. We have a big pile of wood on the side of our house and are now forced to use it in our fireplace to keep us warm/toasty. Several of our neighbors are doing the same thing, and I suspect that more and more folks will be doing the same. It's actually comforting to have the fireplace working again...make us feel like we are in control and not the utility companies! Next week we are having dried/split firewood delivered from Paso Robles, which should last us a couple of months and certainly through this cold snap.

Here is how I look at it: If Leonardo, George, Ellen, Oprah, Harry/Meghan, former VP Gore, and the thousands of "elite" eco-flyers who attended Davos can fly private all the time, I can burn a couple of logs....actually, more than a few logs.

Chip of SB Jan 30, 2023 07:42 PM
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Firewood is an excellent source of heat, and for those who are concerned about it firewood is completely carbon neutral. Firewood is really a form of solar power. Trees harness the sun’s energy to absorb CO2 and turn it into wood. The tree dies and gets burned and the CO2 is returned to the air where it came from and someone gets to enjoy the warmth and the light of its flame.

sacjon Jan 30, 2023 10:38 AM
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So just ignore that part about it not meaning we shouldn't cut back on emissions..... typical.

Further, how many of that 1% are "eco warriors?" Simply being a liberal or publicly saying we should address climate change doesn't make one a "warrior." How many of that 1% are gas/oil/coal CEOs?

Again, just because some are hypocritical, doesn't mean you get to throw up your arms and walk away from the problem.

Voice of Reason Jan 30, 2023 10:28 AM
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It is absolutely as prevalent as the NY Post and Fox make it sound. Just 1% of people cause 50% of the global aviation C02 emissions. The 1% produce as much emissions as the poorest half (3+ BILLION) poorest people.

sacjon Jan 30, 2023 08:54 AM
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VOICE - that IS hypocritical, but it doesn't make the fact that we need to cut back on greenhouse emissions wrong, nor is it as prevalent as the NY Post and Fox make it sound.

Voice of Reason Jan 30, 2023 08:41 AM
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The hypocrisy of the elite eco-warriors demanding everyone else do with less to "save the planet" while they fly around in private jets between multiple mansions and their mega-yachts is absolutely astounding.

pdxjjb Jan 29, 2023 11:24 PM
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Hi there. Thirty-year resident of Santa Barbara here, now living in northwest Oregon where it will be below 25 tonight. We'll be cozy, though, paying $1.17/therm, at present, scheduled increase to around $1.35 in a few months (

You folks blaming the Biden administration - c'mon, man, for a problem that is specific to California? Democrat Biden picking on California? That really makes sense to you? We got a liberal Dem state government here too, and our gas prices didn't triple. And Oregon is at the end of everybody's pipelines, a little afterthought that nobody thinks about.

Now, the fact that SoCalGas buys its gas from its parent company Sempra ... that might be worth some thinking about, it seems to me.

engnrng Jan 29, 2023 07:31 AM
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Thank you SO CAL GAS for raising the rates so high that switching to a heat pump becomes a no-brainer. With my solar, I expect a small increase in my SCE bill, but not the tripling I see on my gas bill. By the end of Feb, the only gas I use will be cooking on the stove and a little hot water. Induction cooking is next.

a-1674967136 Jan 28, 2023 08:38 PM
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Learn the facts, not the garbage spewed on social media:

a-1674966440 Jan 28, 2023 08:27 PM
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The carbon shills and poseurs had been giving us the weekends off. Too bad they're back and inflicting their nonsensical garbage on us.

Voice of Reason Jan 30, 2023 08:58 AM
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Anyone who thinks it's possible to end the use of carbon fuels rapidly without drastic negative consequences for the lower and middle class is a "climate shill" tainted by propaganda. And that's just in the United States. If you try and do that globally, which would be required if meaningful change to our planet was the goal, It would create mass famine and political instability, erase all the gains undeveloped countries have made over the past 50 years, and cause more death than a changing climate ever would. Gradual means as more green generation comes online, the dirtiest forms like coal are eliminated. Nat gas, being the cleanest and abundant, is a critically necessary bridge to get there while making significant C02 reeducations without impact the global quality of life. I'm sure this poster @ 10:53 must drive an electric car charged by solar panels on their home, with electric only cooking/heating, forgos the use of plastics and grows their own food (can't have those diesel trucks and farm equipment getting the food to the grocery store) - otherwise just another climate shill spreading FUD.

a-1675018408 Jan 29, 2023 10:53 AM
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"Gradually" is the shill word there. We need to end our use of carbon fuels rapidly, as anyone with any knowledge of the subject not tainted by propaganda would be aware. Spread that FUD!

Voice of Reason Jan 29, 2023 10:21 AM
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People saying that we should phase out of fossil fuels gradually as renewable resources become more prevalent and reliable doesn’t make a carbon shill. But go on with your buzz words …

a-1674942898 Jan 28, 2023 01:54 PM
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Of course, this triggered all the carbon shills, but it's just one more hint that burning stuff provided by industries that you already heavily subsidize in many ways that are not so obvious doesn't mean that they won't gouge you at every opportunity. Carbon-free renewable, sustainable energy is cheaper, safer, and produces more jobs. Follow the facts, not the propaganda.

AQUAHOLIC Jan 28, 2023 10:31 AM
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The last 3 Gas bills, beginning with current:
Insane. And Electric was equally "shocking".....

BigDD8 Jan 28, 2023 10:06 AM
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We were forewarned by SoCalGas itself that bills would most likely double; ditto for SCE, which uses natural gas, too.

Chip of SB Jan 28, 2023 09:29 AM
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There are practical alternatives to the increasingly high costs of natural gas and electricity. A fireplace will heat your house, and a wood stove will do so even more efficiently. If you have a source of free or low cost wood to burn, it’s a no brainer. The first service is giving out permits to collect firewood at no cost. This is a great way to get some low cost heat and do some good for the forest at the same time. Another option is burning other low cost fuels. Unwanted papers, magazines, and books can be had at no cost and will provide lots of free heat. Another readily available and very practical source of heat is waste oil. Below is a link to a video explaining how to convert a wood stove to run on waste oil which can be obtained in large quantities at no cost from auto repair shops or other sources. Whatever you burn, make sure your setup is safe and do your best to keep it running hot and clean to minimize smoke. Hopefully we can get prices for clean burning natural gas down soon so there is no incentive to use alternative fuels. Until then, if you need to stay warm and can’t afford the crazy bills, burn what you can.

Firewood collection permits:

DIY waste oil heater:

Voice of Reason Feb 01, 2023 09:14 AM
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Sounds like a much greener and less fossil fuel reliant way to fertilize the ground for farming over the current methods of petrochemical (oil) derived fertilizers or strip mining them from Africa and shipping them to the US:,driver%20of%20the%20climate%20crisis _and_

Channelfog Feb 01, 2023 08:39 AM
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Thank you Chip for a good explanation of the Carbon Cycle, that the ignorant might learn something. I would add that the use of biochar DOES sequester Carbon in the ground for centuries or millennia. It also makes the soil more healthy and productive as Humans have known for millennia. (we forget though)

Voice of Reason Jan 31, 2023 03:33 PM
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Fun fact on that topic Chip, when we loose weight more than 80% is lost via our lungs in the form of C02.


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