Shooting Victim at Glass Factory

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Reported by Roger the Scanner Guy

Shooting victim at the Glass Factory on East Camino Cielo, it's unknown if this was self-inflicted.

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GeneralTree Feb 16, 2018 03:20 PM
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Shame on anyone making this a political discussion. I somehow hope the kid pulls through. Sounds very dire.

Resident Feb 16, 2018 02:07 PM
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It seems that this discussion is way too focused on the tool used and not on the killer. If he had driven his pick up truck into the school yard during lunch recess and killed the same number of people I think the focus of the discussion would be on the mental issues behind his action and not on the tool he used.

a-1518817761 Feb 16, 2018 01:49 PM
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What's sad is that this boy is probably on life support and won't survive after being shot in the head and needing CPR. That's the saddest part! It could have happened from any kind of gun and now his family is suffering. I am against guns, completely, nothing okay about any of them in my book but that is NOT what concerns me here, it's this boy. Very sad!

a-1518890736 Feb 17, 2018 10:05 AM
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They removed life support yesterday. Guns aren't toys, real people die from them!

pstarSR Feb 16, 2018 10:15 AM
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australia banned guns, but had increased knife, blute object and beating murders since.

weird huh, take away what you think is the cause, but in the end "the cause" finds another way to achieve its goal.

stop using other countries as things to emulate, no ones doing it right

a-1518805270 Feb 16, 2018 10:21 AM
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PSTASR - I bet Australia hasn't had any mass knifings or mass beatings where 17 children were killed within minutes. GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM. If you can't see that, then you're not paying attention.

pii Feb 16, 2018 08:37 AM
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Universal background checks? Don't we already have them? I went to a gun show in Tennessee two years ago and they had a somewhat busy section where they started the background check process. Which took days, at least. There were no exceptions.

a-1518769419 Feb 16, 2018 12:23 AM
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Does anyone care if the victim is okay? My son and friend got a tickets for shooting there once.
I always thought everyone it was the "safe" place to go practice. I am just praying the victim survives but I doubt the Glass Factory will now.

Channelfog Feb 15, 2018 03:14 PM
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The "Conversation about Guns" is appropriate; educate every citizen young and old about safe gun handling. Prohibition has not worked for alcohol or drugs, why would it work for firearms? Black markets are way lucrative. Teach every citizen, preferably from a young age, how to safely handle a firearm, recognizing that at some point in their lives they will likely be in the presence of firearms. Simple, factual reality. As for the "Glass Factory", I used to shoot there, but only at 6-7am when it is virtually deserted and those that are there are educated and sane, such as retired law enforcement officers with whom I could have not only edifying firearms related discussions, but mutually assured ceasefires for advancing to set up paper targets. After going there in the late 80's on a weekend afternoon with drunkards tossing beer cans and shooting from their vans, not to mention hearing fully automatic fire from down the firing line, I gave up and joined the Winchester Gun Club. That really is the safest and most sane place not to mention being civil and hospitable. Join the club!

a-1518855648 Feb 17, 2018 12:20 AM
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Where did the mention of "well regulated" go? They didn't mean local gangs of rednecks who like to sling ARs and AKs across their protruding bellies to feel manly while they spout racism. They never envisioned individual (vs crew-served, like cannons) weapons with the killing potential that now exist. And since when do militia members need to carry concealed weapons? What a load of NRA baloney.

Channelfog Feb 16, 2018 04:13 PM
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To RHS: The Founding Fathers were exceedingly clear about their intention, regardless of later interpretation. Where is the 2nd amendment found? In the Bill of INDIVIDUAL Rights, and it is second only to the right to free speech. Not only are the rights of the individual Citizen owning arms to be uninfringed, it empowers us to get together and create militias. That is what the original document relating to Individual Citizen Rights states. So glad that modern courts could reinterpret what the Founding Fathers intended, but as 13th generation New England Mayflower on both sides of the family, I buy none of it. Also, as I posted earlier, I have witnessed full auto, not semi auto, but full auto machine gun fire at the glass factory. That is so illegal. What does you prohibition have to say about that? Does prohibition work? Does it in any way protect the honest citizen? Get real, prohibition disarms honest citizens and arms the criminals with full auto.

RHS Feb 16, 2018 02:26 PM
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Well, you think I am wrong, does not cut it. The Supreme Court allowed outlawing of weapons such as sub-machine guns, bazookas and a lot of other stuff for decades. The recent court engaged in the highest level of judicial activism to write new law when it decided on an divided vote that the 2d Amendment really meant "self defense." You can imagine or hope or dream or think anything you want but history is there to look at. Will you?

a-1518818924 Feb 16, 2018 02:08 PM
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Channel - You are wrong. "Firearm prohibition" is not the argument. I never said BAN all guns, I'm only saying a discussion about limiting the types of guns available to the general public needs to be had. You are the one bringing up your father in law's choice to end his life as some sort of argument against even discussing gun control. Try to see the difference.

Channelfog Feb 16, 2018 02:02 PM
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Yes it does. Firearm prohibition would have precluded the firearm suicide option for him. It would have been considerably more difficult for him to have hanged himself at 89 years old given his health issues. It is absolutely relevant. It is also an issue he cared about, though he is no longer here to make his case, which is part of why I make it here. Not only was he a hunter all his life, he raised a family in East LA in the 60's-70', and East LA was not a "Tranqui" place by any means. One of my sister in laws, very young at the time, had to step over a dead body in front of the house in the morning because back then, when called, then the cops did not show up until well after daylight. That was before we had 3 police officers in the family. That did change the dynamic. My point stands, let it go.

a-1518818547 Feb 16, 2018 02:02 PM
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RHS, I think that you are wrong about how the Supreme Court has interpreted the Constitution in the past - "to restore the interpretation that the Supreme Court had followed for a couple of centuries."

a-1518815998 Feb 16, 2018 01:19 PM
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Channel - how your father in law ended his life is not an argument to do nothing about guns.

Channelfog Feb 16, 2018 01:10 PM
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Don't tell me to calm down. If guns were banned what would he have done? Hanged himself?

a-1518814099 Feb 16, 2018 12:48 PM
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CHANNEL - I meant no disrespect. I'm simply saying that gun deaths in general are needless. Your father in law made a choice. I'm not saying ANYTHING about his choice. His choice to end his life is completely separate from my argument that gun deaths are needless. You should calm down and think about it a little before calling me ignorant and insincere.

Channelfog Feb 16, 2018 12:21 PM
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Your anonymous comment is ignorant and your condolence is both self-serving and insincere. Show some respect and presume not to dictate to me. My father in laws' death WAS NOT NEEDLESS! He was suffering greatly, he did the right thing and had the tools, knowledge and the nerve to carry it out. He did it so as to minimize our families' trauma. How DARE you suggest his death was needless? Shame on you.

a-1518809677 Feb 16, 2018 11:34 AM
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CHANNEL - sorry about your family member, but please don't try to use that as some excuse to not make an effort to limit guns in our country. Gun deaths, whether murder, accidental or self-inflicted, are the same - needless deaths by guns.

RHS Feb 16, 2018 11:10 AM
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Such compromise and hope has led us to where we are today. The gun nuts will not agree to anything reasonable as they see every regulation as a "slippery slope." Best idea is actually to amend the 2d Amendment to restore the interpretation that the Supreme Court had followed for a couple of centuries--that the right was subject to rules regarding a "well regulated militia", and it was not a reflection of the common law concept of self-defense. By accepting that it is "normal" to have such violent capacity in the hands of so many gun nuts we have lost the right to protect ourselves from obvious threats of violence. Simple.

a-1518806132 Feb 16, 2018 10:35 AM
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RHS - thanks, sorry if I was snippy. It's hard to tell who is replying to who on here!

a-1518803317 Feb 16, 2018 09:48 AM
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RHS - My "statistics" are consistent with the link you provided. Are you claiming my link to the article showing Australia's murder by gun rate has fallen is false? Or are you refuting Channelfog's claim?

RHS Feb 16, 2018 09:42 AM
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These "statistics" are not only ancient but false. They have been debunked by many scholarly articles. https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gun-control-australia-updated/ But people who refuse to listen to facts continue to post them with absolutely no integrity. The US has the most lax gun control and the highest gun violence in the world outside of third world countries involved in armed insurrections.

a-1518799021 Feb 16, 2018 08:37 AM
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CHANNELFOG - Yes, Australia has banned guns. And what are the gun violence stats there? Here, I'll help you out on this: "Last year a Reuters analysis of Australian Bureau of Statistics figures showed that in 1996, Australia had had 311 murders, of which 98 involved guns. In 2014, when the population had increased from about 18 million to 23 million, 238 people were murdered, 35 by guns.

In other words, the likelihood of being murdered by gunshot fell by 72 per cent in that period, from 0.54 to 0.15 per 100,000 people, Reuters said."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html

a-1518760143 Feb 15, 2018 09:49 PM
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It's how many handguns used to be, like the cowboy Colt Peacemaker, except that many had 6 round capacity. Maybe that would be acceptable. And illegal weapons are currently confiscated. People who wanted to keep existing, but nonconforming firearms would have to modify them to comply or render them nonfunctional, or trade them in for a conforming weapon.

horsegirl Feb 15, 2018 09:29 PM
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I wonder how that would work for handguns? I get it for rifles, but don't know how it would be feasible for handguns. And again, entering a touchy territory with regards to confiscation

a-1518754286 Feb 15, 2018 08:11 PM
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A good start would be to limit the firepower of both handguns and long arms by restricting their capacity to some small number of rounds, like 3 or 5. No detachable magazines. Single-action only, with no semi-auto, so they would have to be manually re-cocked between shots. They would still be useful for hunters, target shooters, and home defense, but they would help limit the casualty count when misused. We must also confiscate and severely punish for any weapons found to exceed those parameters.

horsegirl Feb 15, 2018 07:38 PM
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I personally think we will get a lot farther not by demanding to begin to give up guns, but to start small and try to pass some better regulations - universal background checks, closing loopholes, temporarily removing guns from situations where mental health becomes an issue. I think it is doing a great disservice to all of us to be so far on polar opposites of the spectrum, because the harder the left fights to eliminate guns, the tighter the gun owners are going to hold on. We might not be able to eliminate guns, but each side can make some concessions and at least get some working, enforceable regulations on the table. Start there

a-1518744582 Feb 15, 2018 05:29 PM
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Not human nature to want to buy guns? Which planet were you raised on? Children have been wanting to hit things from afar since very very young whether by throwing (too much work), slingshots, bow and arrow or bb guns. Typically boys but girls like to shoot too. The power to harness an explosion to hurl a projectile away from you at great speed is a turn on for both sexes. On the other hand the desire to alter reality, besides spinning around in circles, doesn't kick in until much later. But that's the problem... it's the wannabe macho hero whose sense of self is defined by gathering up more and more powerful weapons. Why so much killing power? How is that acceptable in a civil society? If you want to kill people join the military or law enforcement.

a-1518737395 Feb 15, 2018 03:29 PM
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Why so quick to give up on gun control? Guns are different than intoxicants. It's not human nature to want to buy guns, it IS human nature to want to alter reality. Just because prohibition didn't work, does't mean some sensible gun control (banning certain types and devices - like the bump stock) can't work. Gun lovers are way to quick to give up on even trying to compromise. Nothing in the 2nd Amendment says you have the right to ANY gun you want. Time to give up something to at least try to help stop the slaughter of children.

a-1518736744 Feb 15, 2018 03:19 PM
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Educate - yes, because we are, unfortunately, awash in firearms. But we should also work toward elimination, which will take decades, but we have to start acting sanely sometime. Just look at how much progress Australia has managed.

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