Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

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Pedestrian Promenade on State Street (Photo: John Palminteri)
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By edhat staff

The Santa Barbara City Council is focusing on education and outreach for wearing face masks but approved the use of citations as a last resort.

The council voted unanimously on Tuesday evening to allow Santa Barbara Police officers and downtown ambassadors to cite anyone in "high-risk areas" who are not wearing a face covering. The areas discussed as high-risk are in the newly created pedestrian promenade on State Street, more specifically the crowded 500 block.

The emphasis will be on education with new signs to be placed throughout the city to remind locals and visitors of the Governor's mandatory order of wearing a face mask. 

Santa Barbara Transportation Planning and Parking Manager Rob Dayton stated approximately 90% of people were in compliance with the mask order on State Street last weekend from 11:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. In a recently conducted study of people in town not wearing masks, 62% were not aware of the mask order, he said.

Dayton also stated the mandatory six-feet of social distancing isn't happening at restaurants and some have their outdoor parklet reaching too far into the street. 

The council has not determined what the cost of the citation will be but discussed it could be similar to a parking ticket.

Although discussions took place over reckless bicyclists on State Street through the promenade, the council did not make a decision whether to cite the cyclists as well. 

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SBLIFE Jul 29, 2020 12:57 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

This is ridiculous. We are 4 months into a worldwide pandemic, and City Council wants to focus on EDUCATION?? People who aren't wearing masks know the facts and choose to ignore them. Signs and warnings are not educating ANYONE and are a waste of money, period. Believing that people aren't wearing masks because they are uneducated is foolish! Please make citations a higher priority. Stop making decisions and spending money for the sake of being able to say you did "something," City Council. Lead us, please, we need it. Enforce the mask rule with citations, not just as a "last resort" (aka, never), or our local economy will continue to crumble as businesses are continually forced to close and make costly adaptations as cases spike.

ZeroHawk Jul 29, 2020 03:39 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

SBLIFE, they can't cite. it's not a law. law is made by legislators, not city council members. and also, about 90% of you all have it wrong. wear a mask in public places where you can't be more than 6 ftt away from anyone out of your household or immediate family. That's the words from the health official. Not "wear a mask outdoors". That's ludicrous.

a-1596063786 Jul 29, 2020 04:03 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

zerohawk not sure where you studied law, but the cities can very much pass city ordinances unique to their city. That's what they've done here and can cite you for violating said ordinance. Do you seriously believe only the state/federal legislators can pass enforceable laws, rules, regulations?

Alexblue Jul 30, 2020 07:56 AM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

Zero--dude, you know those things called "Ordinances", right?

"Ordinance. A law, statute, or regulation enacted by a MUNICIPAL CORPORATION. An ordinance is a law passed by a municipal government. ... The power of municipal governments to enact ordinances is derived from the state constitution or statutes or through the legislative grant of a municipal charter."

So, yeah, they can cite you for jaywalking, a loud party, parking where they don't want you to park.

Alexblue Jul 30, 2020 08:21 AM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

Zerohawk--I'll put it here as well to try and educate you. Cities and counties write and pass laws and enforce those laws, they are called ordinances, here's the definition:

Ordinance. A law, statute, or regulation enacted by a MUNICIPAL CORPORATION. An ordinance is a law passed by a municipal government. ... The power of municipal governments to enact ordinances is derived from the state constitution or statutes or through the legislative grant of a municipal charter.

sacjon Jul 30, 2020 11:45 AM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

ALEXBLUE - Exactly. It's odd that so many people keep saying the cities can't pass laws to require masks in certain situations. There are MANY local ordinances that prohibit or require specific activities that are passed by municipalities. Do you think the 75 minute parking laws were introduced/passed by the state or federal legislature? Zoning ordinances? No smoking rules?

a-1596054601 Jul 29, 2020 01:30 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

My God SB is weak and useless. How many times will they "educate" someone before writing a citation? And why not cite cyclists for breaking the law? Get a spine SB! While you're wringing your hands and worrying about how not to upset people, Goleta is out there having Caltrans clean up the side of the 101 to avoid more homeless fires. Get something done for once!

ZeroHawk Jul 30, 2020 09:17 AM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

yes stopping, however, most of us stop, yield, look and go. far right? that's not a law or anything enforceable, that's just you wanting them on the right side. walking their bike when a sign tells them to? how is that a law? lol! yeah i do need more because you still haven't answered the pointed and clear question. cite the laws/ordinances...

ChemicalSuperFreak Jul 29, 2020 02:04 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

"In a recently conducted study of people in town not wearing masks, 62% were not aware of the mask order, he said." Is that like when people get pulled over and say they didn't see the stop sign, or thought the posted speed limit was higher? Of course they're going to say that, despite all the "educational" signs the City Council and pretty much every business and institution has place that show, in pictures, that masks are required. Continue to be soft on people and they will take advantage of your weakness.

LocalinSB Jul 29, 2020 02:19 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

Last Saturday the Rose Garden was filled with people. No one was wearing a mask or social distancing. Young adults were playing Beer Bong! Elected Officials and Public Officials are useless. I have called to report problems (833-688-5551) and they are too busy taking calls to enforce on anything. Thoes hired to be the "enforcement" are sitting at desks! Now the Council wants to continue education rather than ticket. Ticketing will work. All you need to do is advertise that you are doing it and have a few people complain and people will get the message... Flood the Council's email addresses with complaints on the weak and inadequate enforcement: SBCityCouncil@SantaBarbaraCA.Gov

sacjon Jul 29, 2020 02:26 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

LOCALINSB - I'm a native and grew up 3 blocks from the Rose Garden. I just now discovered you CAN drink there. Also, there are no requirements to wear a mask outside as long as you're 6 feet away from people from other households. I've seen many groups there, spread apart. There's no way to tell if the young people are from the same house unless you walk up and ask. Please don't bother the police calling in something that is perfectly legal. What they need to be doing is citing people jammed next to each other on State St. not wearing masks or distancing. Leave the parks alone, focus on the real problem!

ZeroHawk Jul 29, 2020 03:34 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

yes and what business it of yours? angry that you weren't invited? no? then really, how is their business any of your concern? Oh the outrage and horror! Some guys went outside and enjoyed a nice summer day near some roses and they were playing a game and having some beers! OMG c all the cops! No, just go find a better hobby than spying on people. How'd you like it if we did that to you? I chased someone down last weekend for taking a photo of me and my daughter at the beach. I caught him and got his camera. I asked what permission he had to take photos of my daughter, and he response was, you guys aren't wearing masks, i want to report you. Seriously? Shes my daughter. I live a block and half from the beach, we are in our neighborhood. We are family, and the only one near us at hte beach is some freak with a camera trying to snitch on us...WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT US. Just like you and your thread. Same thing. His camera ended up accidently slipping out of my hand and went into the drink. Poor him. Maybe think twice next time?

Bene Jul 29, 2020 04:43 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

ZERO, are you confessing to crimes? That you committed assault , theft, and destruction of property by forcibly wresting someone's camera away and dropping it in "the drink?" BTW, it is perfectly legal to take pictures of people in public places. As a television reporter I did it all the time, and our counsel said people out in public do not have the expectation of privacy. Now if you take video or stills of someone inside their bedroom that would be different.

Alexblue Jul 29, 2020 06:44 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

Zerohawk--

Okay, to recap you went to the beach with your daughter. Someone took your picture without your permission, which pissed you off, and that's totally understandable..

Then, you went vigilante and enforced the law against taking pictures of people in public. No. There is no law. In fact, it is entirely legal to take someone's picture in public without their permission, weird, creepy, and uncool as that may be.

So, you decided to enforce a law that doesn't exist. And in order to do that, you physically strong armed someone, stole their property, and destroyed it.

So how many crimes did you commit? Two? Three? Felony? Absolutely brilliant.

And how old is your kid? So she got to watch Dad go rage monkey and break the law because you don't like someone else's perfectly legal actions?

Have you seen the video of the psycho old lady pepper spraying people for not wearing masks? Yeah--you're basically her.

Assuming you didn't make this whole thing up.

ZeroHawk Jul 30, 2020 09:21 AM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

omg you people are just over the top weird. get off your computers and go find a life, hobby or something other than trying to argue online. see, i don't care what your response is. you all have your opinions and when someone on this forum disagrees with your opinion, it's like a pack/gang mentality. i usually enjoy it, but hey, i've got better things to do with my time. unlike you. so go a head and go wear your mask while you jog alone and take photos of peoples kids at the beach. weird AF...

a-1596133949 Jul 30, 2020 11:32 AM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

ZERO - if you don't care, why are you on here plastering the place with comments? You have an overall aggressive and condescending attitude towards others commenters here in most of your comments, which could be why people are giving you flak. Also, you seem to think because you're local, ride a bike, fish, walk, skate, etc etc etc (you tell us every time) that no one else here does the same. Hate to break it to you but I'm sure most of us are just as active outdoors. I know I am and my kids are. Try adjusting your demeanor towards all of your fellow residents/commenters and see how it fares.

m-cubed Jul 29, 2020 02:43 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

statistically speaking, a slope-forehead anti-masker is just as likely to flip out on you for 'educating' him as he is for giving him a ticket. might as well make the city some money. and i base these statistics on absolutely nooothing.

LCP112233 Jul 29, 2020 03:25 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

Anyone who needs to be educated by now must be living under a rock, in a cave or in a coma. And no M-Cubed, it's not just the so called "slope-fore headed, anti-maskers". In fact, it seems to be mostly the liberalized college age entitled brats.

ZeroHawk Jul 29, 2020 03:30 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

edhat staff, you have this wrong and i just spoke to Alejandra from the council to confirm. No one is going to cite anyone for not wearing a mask. They will give you a mask and educate you. 7-0 vote on this.
But really think about that too. Do you really expect our officers to mill around downtown waiting for a few people to not wear a mask so they can "cite" them? For what? There is no _law_ that says we all must conform and wear a mask. There are requests to wear masks. Also, our PD have a lot bigger things to focus on than to go downtown and "cite" some one for not wearing a mask. I'll go out on a limb here and say that it won't even hold up in court. Until there is actual legislation passed and approved and the laws go into the books, 'citing' some one for not wearing a mask will result in absolutely nothing but a lawsuit against the city for attempting to cripple someone elses rights and freedoms. Just trying to show a different perspective, but back to the point. Post what is correct, not what you interpreted.

a-1596062819 Jul 29, 2020 03:46 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

@ZeroHawk - that is not entirely true. The council voted to allow police and ambassadors to cite people as a last resort although the details have yet to be hammered out so it is not an official law as of now. The focus will be on education but citations could be done if needed once the rules are finalized.

Alexblue Jul 30, 2020 07:54 AM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

Pitmix, my saying "enforce all laws" doesn't mean that anyone expects them to cite all lawbreakers. My point is that people are trying to weasel around the issue of masks by saying it would be a burden on the police to enforce. It's their job to enforce, as you say, get a few and people will start to pay attention.

420722 Jul 29, 2020 06:31 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

4:46 that doesn’t answer the question. I’ll show you how. @5:48 I only wear a mask while shopping because it is forced for entry. Also, what events are taking place that people can’t distance outdoors? If you’re going to say in the downtown thing don’t bother I don’t even go there.

420722 Jul 29, 2020 04:47 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

I’d like to hear from the weirdos that want mask to be worn outside at all times even while your alone and away from people or in the car ALONE with dirty gloves that you just touched everything at the store with. Like, what’s your reasoning? For real.

Bene Jul 29, 2020 07:45 PM
Santa Barbara Allows Citations But Pushes Education of Mask Wearing

I have never heard anyone advise wearing a mask in a car when alone. If you have seen such a thing, I am positive you will be able to figure out at least five scenarios why that would occur-- other than that the person was thinking they would get the virus while in their car.

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