Rules On Gatherings?

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There is a house on our block that consistently has gatherings. It does not look like anyone is currently living there so it may be an Air BnB although we are not sure. These are gatherings of people partying, not wearing masks, etc. They may even be out of town. I thought that there was recent rules passed about this ? If so is there any recourse or is the only recourse calling in a noise complaint?

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dbkleinsb Sep 07, 2020 08:52 AM
Rules On Gatherings?

Wow, people are not very helpful here. We had a similar airbnb issue where neighbor was holding weddings every weekend in a very quiet neighborhood. We went through the proper channels, and now she can legally have her homestay but with major restrictions (no weddings/parties) and this was pre-covid. First, you can easily find out if it's an airbnb or vrbo - just look on those sites and find the house. If it is on there, you need to find out if they have a homestay permit to operate it. If they do, the owners must live on the property to have the guests (and be there while the guests are there)- and max amount of guests is 6 adults staying there, and they can each have 2 guests during the day - so 12 people. If they are violating that, they can have their permit taken away and fined. If they don't have a permit, they can also be fined. Assuming you find the property on a site, contact Travis Lee at the county planning department and he can help.

a-1599529356 Sep 07, 2020 06:42 PM
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DB, it is my experience that the county is much more responsive to these sort of complaints than are the city staff and elected officials. It is probably because the city staff hides behind the city manager, as do the elected officials.

dbkleinsb Sep 07, 2020 03:16 PM
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Yeah, I hear you. If they aren't listed (permitted or not) on a website, then I would think it would be hard to do anything about them. Although I think most are listed somewhere, b/c their customers have to come from somewhere! When we worked with the county on ours, we had lots of neighbors in support, and the county really came to the table for us. But yes, it was a non permitted, yet listed, airbnb. And now that I think back, somewhere along the line, she applied for the homestay permit (while illegally holding weddings, etc), which made it easier to call on it.

Nextguyinline Sep 07, 2020 11:54 AM
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The bottom line is that the "Guidelines" are not "Law!" Guidelines are intended to "guide" one toward the desired goal and are "suggestions" based on what is wanted. The only weight that can be asserted by the Governor regarding his "Executive Order" is to affect businesses via licensing and regulations that are in place. There are a large number of people who will honor the guidelines and Executive Order because they recognize the value in following them. Others do not recognize that they have any value and are going to do what they want to do, regardless of any guidelines. If it is not "Against a law" they will do what they want. Many of those are the same people who will chose which law they want to obey and which laws they don't agree with, so they ignore them. Nothing new. Also, consider that at the present time law enforcement is not getting any backing from their communities or their local and State governments. Since "Guidelines" are not laws they have no authority except to go to talk to "violators." However, they also know that could lead to a violent confrontation where they will not "win." Why would they want to go to a potentially violent situation where they have no authority to enforce? It is a lose - lose situation for them. I wouldn't go! Furthermore, you will see in recent news in Ventura County where the District Attorney filed a Civil Action against a business under the "Unfair Business" theory not a criminal action for violating the "Guidelines" or "Executive Order." As much as we all would like this Covid-19 situation to be over and would like to have everyone comply in every way, it is not going to happen that way. All you can be responsible for is yourself, and if possible, your immediate family. Keep yourself safe and keep your blood pressure down by not getting involved in situations wherein you cannot win, and this is one of them. Regards and Blessings to all.

a-1599498735 Sep 07, 2020 10:12 AM
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DB, it is not those that are legally registered that are the issue in most of these cases. Yes, they can be found and brought to compliance. It is the dozens of other off the record rentals that are the issue. One cannot prove their rental agreements/procedure but from looking at the property and its changing uses and frequent closing and opening it is obvious what is happening. No one in the city wants the nanny job of going after these places even though they are, minimally, shorting the city TOT revenue.

Waterboy Sep 07, 2020 08:47 AM
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Fear not, Darwin had a theory that virus-deniers are anxious to prove.

a-1599492550 Sep 07, 2020 08:29 AM
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Better scofflaws and drunks in town or at the beach than in the hills or back country. It's still 100 or so with strong gusty wind above Montecito right now. Last thing we need on top of the smoke and heat, is an active fire!

PitMix Sep 08, 2020 07:49 AM
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Like my high school counselor said, those are not the only options. How about people following the law as a 3rd?

a-1599463183 Sep 07, 2020 12:19 AM
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Wait -- so the noise is not bothering you? You're lucky.

a-1599463098 Sep 07, 2020 12:18 AM
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Talk to them? face to face!
Are you on Nextdoor? Enlist them. Or talk to your neighbors. Again, face to face. ===============

If you're in the city, contact your council member. Harass THEM. And/or your county supervisor. And keep calling in noise complaints -- IF THEY'RE VALID. =================================
Then? Play dirty. Harass the party house with a sound battle. Well, I could, if I chose to. Not next door? Do you know the neighbors who ARE next door? Enlist them. You do need some equipment to play this game. It probably pisses off other neighbors. But maybe you could fight as a group. ================================================================

It's not a totally lost cause. Keep pushing the sound complaint. Otherwise? Oh well. Stay safe, hibernate.

JB86 Sep 06, 2020 08:10 PM
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Health rules do not have the force of law unless local agencies pass ordinances, and this starts with the State, where the 'rules' are by the Governor's proclamation, not any act of the legislature. I don't know what the City has done in this regard, but it sounds like nothing; therefore police can't do more than enforce regular noise and public nuisance rules.

a-1599444897 Sep 06, 2020 07:14 PM
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I called the city complaint line twice in the last week about a property in my neighborhood that is apparently being rented out to party visitors. The first time I was treated brusquely but at least the info was taken. Maybe some police went by because about an hour later things got much quieter and a little after 10 p.m. these closed down. This week it s tarted again so loudly that at 5 in the afternoon I could not use my own backyard some distance from the house due to the noise. When I called the reception was worse than the previous week and the police person told me that there was nothing illegal about the activity, they were just violating "directives." He hung up on me. I called back and got a different person who grudgingly took the info but told me she had to go due to "911 calls" (I did not call 911). It is obvious that enforcement of the city's short term rental laws and the COVID regulations is simply not going to occur under our current city leadership and police department bosses.

PitMix Sep 08, 2020 07:53 AM
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804, can you remind me who is running for the November election and how we can vote for someone else? I don't think we are electing them this time, but don't let facts get in the way of your enthusiasm. 714, when dealing with the City, make sure you get names and document your interactions with all staff, including any refusal to respond to an unlawful gathering. CC: your council member and the mayor. CC: Paul Casey. Keep at it, and the squeaky wheel will get the grease.

a-1599491096 Sep 07, 2020 08:04 AM
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It's very definitely time to change the city "leadership"!!! There's an election next November. Let's get a mayor and councilmembers who are responsive ---- they're now paid quite a lot for the time they put into it ------ with so relatively few meetings/month.

420722 Sep 06, 2020 07:00 PM
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You could always make yourself even more mad and drive to the beach. Hundred of people on Cabrillo today if not thousands.
People on the beach with umbrellas lounging/picnicking everywhere like a normal day. Closed beach? What closed beach? The police didn’t seem to mind either so I doubt you are going to get them to storm trooper your neighbors house. Good luck.

a-1599443723 Sep 06, 2020 06:55 PM
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People were concerned about the beach closure this weekend, and I heard that lifeguards were breaking up groups congregating at Leadbetter. But this afternoon I saw that people had set up tents, canopies and such at West Beach and were clearly not following the rules. My point is: the authorities are not rigorously enforcing the Covid-suppression rules. Not on the beach, anyway. Seems unlikely they will shut down a relatively small house party.

Megouski Sep 06, 2020 06:17 PM
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If its private property and away from you, what do you care? Covid19 isnt a tool for you to use karen powers, get a life. Now when you see them doing this on public property or general open social gatherings, let em have it.

PitMix Sep 08, 2020 07:54 AM
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MEG, how much are you making from your illegal rentals? Can you see that neighbors in this situation might have some concerns?

3P14159 Sep 06, 2020 06:26 PM
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survival of the fittest - stupid dies more quickly

3P14159 Sep 06, 2020 03:56 PM
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expose idiocracy ! post videos on the nextdoor website !

a-1599431183 Sep 06, 2020 03:26 PM
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LOL! Exactly, CMC. It's like the 'guidelines' with signage for East Beach where this morning there were four or 5 camper tents from last night, dogs on the beach and 3 tall RVs parked along Cabrillo; plus a group set up with a grill, etc. for a party breakfast near the restrooms. One can feel sorry for the motels/hotels along Cabrillo that lost out on the business for this 3-day weekend: the rules of 'closing' the beaches seemed to make sense until it was clear they were not being enforced, at least not in the morning.

SBCountyLocal Sep 06, 2020 01:52 PM
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Call Dispatch about noise from the party. You can do this anonymously (805-882-8900). Then report this to landuse@santabarbaraca.gov and request@santabarbaraca.gov. Send photos and or video with noise. Create a record and state that you think it is a illegal vacation rental. Nothing will change unless you report it. The more you report it the greater the chance that City Attorney will get involved. - Be sure report to the police and City to create a record.

RHS Sep 06, 2020 07:19 PM
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SBCountylocal: You are incredibly naive. Read the comments from so many who have tried to do as you suggest and met stone walls and diffuse responses. There is a policy not to notice the rentals and parties and other nuisance acts and one suspects this is because the elected people believe these are their support, not the people inconvenienced and worse by these greedy actors.

a-1599424540 Sep 06, 2020 01:35 PM
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Someone in my neighborhood was having a wedding reception about a month ago, there were no masks, no social distancing and lots of alcohol, not a good combo. Later
I mentioned this to a high ranking city official and was told when it is on private property there is nothing they can do about enforcement.

a-1599422762 Sep 06, 2020 01:06 PM
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Take the property owner to small claims for harboring a public nuisance. Get all your neighbors to join so you can file multiple claims - up to $10,000 each.

3P14159 Sep 06, 2020 12:53 PM
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1) use your iphone profusely and, 2) call a lawyer

Minibeast Sep 06, 2020 12:46 PM
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We’ve got a place in our neighborhood where 12-15 people are partying every Saturday night, sometimes Friday nights, too. I get the frustration, OP. hearing other peoples’ music and drunken yammering up until or past 1:00 a.m. is no treat. Ignore the snarky “mind your own business” commenters on this thread. The snarkers wouldn’t enjoy the parties, either. Too bad we can’t share these “it’s my right to party and be obnoxious” idiots with those who don’t have the pleasure of experiencing it for themselves.

gizmo1 Sep 06, 2020 12:36 PM
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Calling the city or county ( don’t waste your time they don’t do squat about the pandemic guidelines) they’re not sure what their purpose is ? They are hoping that the the people will self govern( ya right especially the ones from LA)

a-1599419117 Sep 06, 2020 12:05 PM
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Has anyone heard of civil law suits from COVID-19 illness or death due to exposure by someone flagrantly disregarding pandemic control measures?

a-1599422876 Sep 06, 2020 01:07 PM
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Do you spend more than one hour being within one foot of this alleged covid scofflaw? Might be an issue of contributory negligence if you do.

OpossumBoy Sep 06, 2020 12:04 PM
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just another Karen trying to police other people’s behavior

oceandrew Sep 06, 2020 12:00 PM
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I'm sorry but this is really very funny. They are not next door and clearly not disturbing you directly but the idea that they are doing things that you don't approve of is clearly galling to you. Isn't there a name for that?

sbmh2015 Sep 06, 2020 11:52 AM
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You can call the non emergency number of sbpd for noise complaint, etc but they specifically told me they are not responding to public health rule enforcement. That was 2 months ago but try again. Otherwise, contact SBC Public Health. There is an online form to report health guidance enforcement. You can phone them also. Thank you for your concern

Getoffmylawn Sep 06, 2020 11:37 AM
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Call non emergency sbpd. Figure it out

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