Anonymous
January 11, 2021, 2:20 am
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By an edhat reader
The state and local COVID-19 guidance dictate restaurants are only able to serve delivery and takeout meals until the lockdown is lifted. I’ve seen several restaurants downtown and in Montecito serving outdoor diners, and in one case indoor diners. What’s going to happen to these businesses if they continue to rebuff the rules?
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Indoor diners? Wow. I understand the impossible situation restaurants have been placed in. Where is the government to aid businesses now? But having indoor diners during our COVID peak just straight up says, “We don’t care at all.” They should have their operating license suspended.
Who is doing this ? Report them to county
Contact tracing in New York showed only 1.4% of the “spread” came from restaurants with indoor operations. If the government wants to shut down outdoor dining in an (miss-guided) attempt to keep people from gathering they should have compensated the restaurants, by not doing so the state straight up says “We don’t care at all”. The sooner the “woke” public and “pajama class” realize liberal CA dumped the burden of the pandemic on the backs of the lower/working class and small businesses the sooner we’ll be able to see the error in our ways and start taking a more common sense approach.
What should happen is they lose their licenses. What will happen? Doesn’t seem to be much in the way of discipline, so officially probably nothing. But, please name the restaurant serving indoors so we can all be sure to avoid that business and anyone who’d been there recently. Let the public make their own decision on whether we want to support businesses that not only flaunt the rules the rest of us must follow, but actively put people and their staff in harm’s way.
As the government shouldn’t be in the businesses of arbitrarily closing down business sectors that have proven they can operate safely, they should all open up, with covid precautions in place, and it will be up to the patrons if they want to eat inside, eat outside, get food to go, or simply not patron the business.
Before the torches and pitchforks come out, there should be verification that the OP saw what they think they saw. This happened a few weeks ago in Solvang – https://newspress.com/restaurant-owner-cited-for-dining-in-own-restaurant/
Gee, if only there existed a non- internet business that could operate safely in a pandemic environment.
VOR – Indoor operations have not been proven safe. Outdoor, I can agree on that, but indoor still poses a risk, especially when our numbers are breaking records almost every day now. Once again, you can’t just go “live free” running around spreading the virus and expect the at-risk and elderly to lock themselves up for months without any groceries, medicine, doctor appointments or other necessary services.
Sac, you’re correct, if you ignore the data the New York public health put out, Florida (who is fully open and has lower daily’s cases per capita than us for months now), multiple other states, the WHO, and several other countries around the world. I never mentioned a free for all, I clearly said – with covid precautions in place.
Even if your stats are accurate, they surely don’t take into account the new, more contagious variants. But I totally agree that if the government shuts down an industry they/we need to compensate them somehow. What is the pajama class?
Nice misleading number from data published by the RESTAURANT INDUSTRY, Voice. “The figure (1.4%) places the industry as the fifth-largest contributor to spreading COVID-19 in the state, following education employees (1.5 percent), higher-education students (2.02 percent), and healthcare delivery (7.81 percent). ” Largest is private households and social gatherings. But you have to go out and get infected to bring it back to your house and gatherings, right? So restaurants are right up there as a cause.
https://ny.eater.com/2020/12/11/22169841/restaurants-and-bars-coronavirus-spread-data-new-york
VO?, why do you keep posting misinformation? Shouldn’t you be on Parler? “But wait! Isn’t California much bigger than Florida? Indeed. California has nearly 40 million residents; Florida, about 22 million. Control for the difference and the picture changes. Florida has more cases per 100,000 residents. More deaths, too.”
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/12/12/is-florida-better-than-california-at-containing-the-coronavirus-analysis/
Hi I just want to caution ppl that what u think you see you may be misinterpreting. For example if you saw someone in the reception of a salon or spa, you may automatically think OMG!!! They’re open they need to be reported! What what you don’t understand is that spas and salons CAN LEGALLY sell retail. Stop and think or maybe ASK the owner what’s going on so their can explain to you. What if the ppl eating you saw was the owners family that they live with eating a quick snack in between doing to go orders. Or are workers not entitled to a lunch break to eat outside on the patio in between making your Togo order? Or do u think a worker should not be entitled to their 30 min lunch break on a 8 hour shift or god forbid a double shift. Please think bc your misinterpretation could lead to wildly unfortunate circumstances and a huge headache and fines for an owner bc you thought you saw something but weren’t positive the circumstances.
Pit, I don’t think you know what “per capita” means because you keep going back to “California is much bigger than Florida”? Sac, correct, with distancing and other basic precautions, I’d have to see their operation to determine whether or not I felt safe eating indoors at this time. I always preferred outside even before covid, eating outside year round is one of the many reasons I love SB. And FYI, nothing is “totally safe”, that is simply unattainable and has never been a prerequisite for anything (even vaccines!).
Can someone please explain to me how CA has been having an insane spike in cases with no indoor dining for 6 months, no outdoor dining in nearly two months, while FL (among other states) has had unrestricted indoor dinning since end of September and their cases (PER CAPITA!) have been significantly less than ours since they opened?
Pit – VOR floats that florida number every day even though he knows full well his argument is full of $&*@
Pit, so the 1.4% of of restaurant infections are responsible for the 87% of infections not listed out in your stats? I don’t quite buy that math.
cause you are reading the data wrong. go back to the drawing board.
california cases per Mil – 72,848
Floriday cases per Mil – 78,110
need that link again?
I have no idea where you people are eating. I get takeout a several times a week during this second dining ban and have yet to see people eating outdoors, employees not wearing mask or letting customers eat inside, they want to keep their jobs and health too. OP sounds like the people that keep saying people aren’t wearing mask in the stores and I’m like where? What store? Why are you so miserable!?
VOR, I’m confused by your rants. Do you want larger government involvement in the pandemic? Or are you just gripping about everything?
No one will do anything to enforce the obvious safety rules because of fear of things like what happened in DC. These people are insane. The only value they have is their own profit. Lucky’s must have a huge profit and it must have created a huge reserve (i.e., bank account for the owner). If the concern is for the employees I am absolutely certain that Lucky could cover their problems for the duration and not suffer.
My best guess on what the pajama class is: those who have been brainwashed into thinking we must continue to crush small businesses in the name of science so said pajama class can feel safe and healthy while they work from home in pajamas on their office couches. The “in the name of science” people are starting to sound an awful lot like the religious folk they despise so much.
6:02 they have signs in a window voicing their frustration and rightfully so. Where do you see people dining in this picture? Are we really going to stoop so low as to take photos of people eating a sandwich outside or by their car? Are we going back to days where people were taking drives to the beach to take photos of mask free criminals walking in the sand? Will edhat seriously post theses photos? Oh my! This country will never heal under the current standards.
Normally, nah I’d leave it to Mrs Kravitz. But since one of those yahoos eating with their bros outside could potentially kill my parents, yea.. I’m going to call them out.
But with evidence instead of guesses.
Good for these businesses.
It makes sense for people to go somewhere that is cleaned and sanitized as opposed to just hanging out together a few feet farther or in the parking lot.
I mean obviously the vaccine won’t be at reasonable levels in the community this year, so people should push for their freedoms.
Outdoor dining should 100% be allowed, Gavin new some should be recalled, and all the scared crybabies should stay inside.
I have been totally supporting the restaurants that are open for dining. I applaud them.
You’re reading my post wrong, intentionally. “since end of September” when their restrictions ceased. I will give everyone here a link to the CDC:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days Actually, California just passed Florida in total cases/100k. Unfortunately deaths usually follow. How many excuses are left before we admit we took the wrong path in CA? That we’re on the wrong path. Even Cuomo now wants things open in a safe manner. We’ve incurred such a great cost for no gain.
420722: “Will edhat seriously post theses photos?” I seriously wish they would, because it’s irresponsible to publish this reader’s allegations without any proof whatsoever. Palminteri’s photo of signs in a store window is not proof of anything, apart from local businesses struggling under the shutdown.
The Gym next to Turnpike Vons was packed on Friday night. Pretty unfair that they are open and restaurants aren’t. It looks no different than usual around town with the exception of closed restaurants or take out only. Nearly everything else is open. This makes no sense.
I just want to point out what a great, fantastic, a lot of people are even saying phenomenal job the federal government is doing. We don’t pay the highest defense and golf trip costs for discount service and this thing was in the bag by Easter. It just went away with the light and the disinfectant and Windex and thoughts and prayers. Phenomenal! But the deep state Muslim Communists want to take away your Lucky’s and croissants. Sad! Trial by Combat!
horsegirl….seriously? ok so let them violate set in place rules by those that have degrees way higher than both of us, spread the virus around more, maybe infect a few of the employees? Just so a few random townies can eat at a restaurant and a business owner can get some more cash. How about…no! Also….Joes quality went way down when Gene took over. Besides the point. I do not care one bit if a restaraunt is open or not, but i certainly care if my fellow Santa Barbarians contract COVID, even you. The business owners need to fall in line and revamp for to go orders and expand their menu and ordering hours if they want to make cash. Period. People like Gene have spread himself so thin that he thinks exposing his employees to COVID is ok as long as he gets his $$. If our businesses are that stretched, perhaps they need to seriously rethink how they are operating. My friend JJ and his ship were affected. In fact, he had to close…and guess what…he reopned with a different menu and name and is doing much better with to go and delivery orders….just a suggestion….and really is it the end of the world if you can’t go out at dine at Joes cafe or the Sandbar? Nope, but it will be the end if you catch COVID. Fact.
Open up all small businesses, now you crooks, and anyone that doesnt support this shouldnt shop at costco, home depot, walmart, target, etc. cause the science doesnt apply to commodoties and big Corp.
Montesano should open up all his doors cause they’re going out of business eventually if not, and the workers in his restaurants go homeless, Id rather allow natural selection and herd immunity take place …
I take Covid and Covid safety VERY seriously. However outdoor dining, properly spaced should be allowed. It may not be 100% safe but driving on the 101 is not 100% safe. Indoor dining is another thing and probably should be banned.
Stay-at-home order aside, the restaurant regulation is very short and leaves a lot of space for gray. “Restaurants may remain open for take-out and delivery.” It doesn’t say that patrons may not eat their takeout on the tables outside. Anyone been to Pismo recently? Take-out counters at every restaurant and people enjoying their take-out at the outside tables in the sunshine and bussing themselves.
The problem seems to be that people meet up with others from outside their household. Dining outside is not safe if you are mingling with others while doing so.
Gene the owner of Joes and several other diners is doing this. I’ve already had a few choice words for him. This is quite ridiculous. These people are not health officials, nor are they anyone with authority to OK this. Putting their staff and servers at risk and poisoning minds of potential customers that it’s “safe”. It is not safe. Dinning, maskless, in a closed room with strangers is anything but safe or smart. I personally feel he should be fined heavily and have his license revoked. This is just dangerous and reckless. I don’t care about who you vote for or what kind of money you make. This is about stopping a virus that is spreading like wildfire. This is about protecting those you care about. Just because YOU are in good health doesnt mean others around you are, nor does it mean that you can go about freely and disregard common sense and logic. Is eating out that important to you? So important that you would bring your staff back in and expose them to potential harm? Same for your clients. Is it worth it? We are all in this together and we are all suffering in one way or another. Gene, you’re a fool.
Ahchoo- people are still meeting up anyway. Restaurants have been closed for over a month now. It’s more than obvious outdoor dinning was not the problem.
yeah GREAT lets shut down more small businesses. I always wanted Santa Barbara to be filled with chain restaurants taking the place of local restaurants who have been closed, especially when they replace classics like Joe’s.
HORSEGIRL – should we allow them to violate the rules and perpetuate the spread of a deadly virus? The rest of us are obeying the health orders, why shouldn’t they? My kids can’t go to school, our income has tanked due to a family business being completely shutdown since March, we haven’t visited any family out of the area, kids aren’t playing sports at out of state tournaments, etc etc…. why should my family lose money and suffer through the orders, while others ignore the rules and contribute to the risk?
VO?, why do you keep posting misinformation? Shouldn’t you be on Parler? “But wait! Isn’t California much bigger than Florida? Indeed. California has nearly 40 million residents; Florida, about 22 million. Control for the difference and the picture changes. Florida has more cases per 100,000 residents. More deaths, too.”
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/12/12/is-florida-better-than-california-at-containing-the-coronavirus-analysis/
I really want to know your “agenda” why do you keep trying to derail this issue with false information. what do you gain from this? im guessing you own a restaurant or something. because the MAIN thing you post is outdoor dining. Sorry your restaurant is closed VOR, but seriously. its for the betterment of everyone. its called being part of a community. not being part of a singularity.
thomas, florida cant even find their tests.
Which ones are currently open serving outdoors? Id like to support them