Santa Barbara County’s Board of Supervisors expressed frustration and called for greater transparency following last week’s enforcement actions by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in Carpinteria.
The operation resulted in over ten arrests at Glass House Farms in Carpinteria as part of a larger effort tied to search warrants, leading to a total of 361 arrests and the alleged discovery of ten minors working in a cannabis facility in Camarillo.
The Board demanded answers from ICE about who was arrested and the specific charges against them. Supervisors also requested ICE representatives to appear in a future meeting to address their concerns directly. Additionally, the county sought financial support from local cities to help fund services and resources needed in response to these enforcement actions.
District Attorney John Savrnoch criticized ICE’s tactics while emphasizing the importance of maintaining “the rule of law.” He urged opponents of these actions to use non-violent ways to express their discontent. “Meet their force with our voice. Meet their force with our actions,” Savrnoch said, noting the risks posed by violent protests. He warned of possible future large-scale military enforcement while stressing the consequences for those engaging in violence.
Sheriff Bill Brown also weighed in, clarifying that his department does not partake in ICE actions or immigration enforcement. He acknowledged the confusion some immigrants face distinguishing between federal agents and local law enforcement.
Primitiva Hernandez, Executive Director of 805UndocuFund, raised alarm over escalating federal enforcement and called for immediate local protections and funding from the county. She asked for funding, access to county and city owned properties for trainings, and protection from federal agents.
The League of Women Voters of Santa Barbara submitted a letter asking for the County to deploy county emergency vehicles for civilian protection, enforce visibility and identification in law enforcement, designate county facilities as safe zones, and provide material support to rapid response networks.
“We believe Santa Barbara County has both the legal authority and moral obligation to respond swiftly and compassionately,” the league stated.
The nonprofit group Fund for Santa Barbara also submitted a series of requests to Supervisors that include supporting the ACLU of Southern California’s federal lawsuit challenging unconstitutional ICE raids, allocating $1 million in emergency funding to immigrant-rights organizations, and raising the minimum wage for farmworkers to $26/hour.
“Let us be clear: This is state-sanctioned terror—carried out with impunity, and now with deadly consequences,” the Fund stated.
First District Supervisor Roy Lee, who represents Carpinteria, shared his distress over the actions. “It’s the first time that I, as an immigrant, did not feel safe and I’ve been targeted.” Lee argued that the enforcement raids are divisive for both the community and local businesses.
While many voiced opposition to ICE’s actions, others supported the agency, citing its focus on illegal immigrants who have committed crimes. Some underscored the ongoing labor issues in California farms, noting that DHS is alleging underage children were among those found working in cannabis facilities.
Supervisor Bob Nelson read a statement from a Northern Santa Barbara County farm owner stating their farm has ran at 95% labor capacity and they have not experienced a crisis or shortage.
The debate underscores growing tensions between local leaders, federal authorities, and communities over immigration enforcement tactics.
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ZIP – “Why didn’t these illegal aliens get visas or begin asylum that Biden said he offered?”
I’d ask if you were really that unintelligent, but we all know the answer. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of undocumented immigrants have had their visa and asylum claims CANCELLED BY TRUMP. Hundreds, if not more, are being arrested AT THEIR COURT HEARINGS.
STOP THE FUKKKING LYING.
The order applies to about 532,000 people from the four countries who came to the United States since October 2022. They arrived with financial sponsors and were given two-year permits to live and work in the U.S.
ZIPZ – “children being forced to work at the illegal marijuana grow”
For the 100th time, you mindless fool…… IT WAS A LEGAL OPERATION and there is NO PROOF the alleged “children” worked there at all, much less being forced.
Now, time for you to stop. If you can provide proof (and no, the DHS BS post is not proof of anything) that these were “children” and they were being “forced,” I’d gladly denounce it and change my mind.
Until then, stop acting like a failed doctor and lying with every breath you take.
The GOP has been reducded to a terror organization. The republicans in congress are either for bigotry, authoritarianism and violence, or they are cowards that are too afraid to speak up. Anyone supporting suppression of the 4th and 5 Amendments, or habeas corpus, is an enemy to me and a traitor to the constitution.
Term limits ! Why do you think we have this problem? Because you guys haven’t done anything !!! Now you’re just criticizing everybody else it’s cleaning up your mess.
You really do live in a delusional fantasy world.
Thorazine may help with that.
You know what would be nice? If the media talked more about the 70,000 Americans who die from fentanyl poisoining every year. But that would actually involve a real debate, instead of cancelling dissenters of popular opinion.
You’re right, it’s a tragedy and something we need to find a way to stop. But what does that have to do with the ICE raids? Fentanyl is not brought in by migrant workers sneaking across the border. Most of it comes in on airplanes and with people who are anything but the farmworkers being targeted by ICE. Argue if you will that undocumented is illegal, etc., but Fentanyl is an altogether separate issue. And a far more important one, I would add, than farmworkers without adequate documentation. Let’s put our money into finding and stopping and deporting these dope peddlers and other real criminals rather than these stupid raids on working people.
SCHIFTER – Who is being canceled? What “popular opinion?” Do you mean support for ICE raids? Sorry pal, but the support for this is in the 30% range, hardly popular.
And yeah, it would be AMAZING if the cops went after actual criminals. That’s exactly what MOST people are saying!
Gotta love a DA who opposes valid warrants issued by judges.
He does not know what they’re for but he opposes the rule of law.
As to who was arrested, we saw on video & interviews of numerous hispanics leaving after the raid was over. So they did not arrest every brown skinned person. I had to watch the video clips posted by 805 & others bec here made it seem like every brown & tan person was arrested.
Not the case.
I detect a person who lacks a single honest bone in his body.
Can you imagine how much could be done to treat drug addicts and arrest real criminals with the insane amount of money that is being allocated to DHS to essentially build another military army? Can you imagine how much could b done to get homeless people off the streets and into housing and job training with that money? Wouldn’t it be nice if our government actually worked for our safety and health? Well, get over it, because that’s not happening for the next 3.5 years. Oh, and enjoy the MASSIVE INCREASE IN DEBT that our descendants will now carry to build this unnecessary military force.
All who are complaining about unhoused folks should take a good hard look at the insane amount of money that will now be going to ICE instead of helping those who need it most.
Our fruits and veggies will now be rotting in the sun, but we’ll waste vast sums of money to be racist and xenophobic. This is obscene on every level.
Supervisor Bob Nelson read a statement from a Northern Santa Barbara County farm owner stating their farm has ran at 95% labor capacity and they have not experienced a crisis or shortage.
KAPO – cool, ONE farm hasn’t lost most of its labor force. That’s really neat. So what?
Edhat thought it was relevant, that’s why it is included in this very article.
The latest raids were on pot farmers, not fruits and vegetables – there is quite a difference.
The master of paltering, Ka Pono = Jonathan Kennedy = Maganonymous = Jay Kay, depending on the sock puppet of the day.
That’s cool, food is rotting in the fields right now in the Central Valley and it’s only going to get worse.
KAPO – A 2 second Google News search:
https://www.newsweek.com/ice-immigration-raids-farms-crops-rotting-2092749
https://foodinstitute.com/focus/crops-rotting-in-fields-with-undocumented-farmworkers-gone/
https://www.reuters.com/business/immigration-raids-leave-crops-unharvested-california-farms-risk-2025-06-30/
Paltering away, as usual.
I just Googled “Fentanyl News” and there are at least 1 dozen stories on the subject published by major news outlets in the past 24 hours. Do you use Google?
What would be nice would be if right wingers weren’t ignorant dishonest imbeciles.
How embarrassing it must be to be a parent of one of these ICE pigs. Losers!
I didn’t hear any sniveling when Nobama or Clinton deported about 13 million illegal aliens.why now?
BAD247 – read the news. Watch the videos.
Obama and Clinton did it the right way, without hurting people and without destroying families and without violating peoples’ rights.
That’s why now.
Why do you think? Is Trump doing what Obama and Biden did? Or is he doing something else? What do you think?
They didn’t deport citizens. They didn’t deport people who were here legally. Must be sad to live without creative thought after being fed fear for so long.
The sniveling came, as always, from your side–the side of stupid ignorant lying racist sociopathic fascists–who claimed that Obama and Clinton left the border wide open. It’s the same lie over and over.
https://www.heritage.org/border-security/commentary/trumps-immigration-actions-reverse-obamas-open-borders-policy
“Alleged” minors at pot fsrm. Gotta love how SB refuses to consider minors were at the pot fsrm per the official government press releases.
Way to go investigative journalism. Not confirming but denying the authorities report as if the journalist knows otherwise.
How about sticking the facts snd not undermining he authorities until you can prove your conspiracy theory.
Some people, like SBLGA, are very easily fooled.
SBLETSGET – prove it. The DHS still, a week later, has provided ZERO evidence that they were working at the farm or that they were even minors.
Show us these “facts” and we can talk. Until then, keep guzzling and gulping all those lies.
Mr. ChemTrails says what?
Is it easonable to take 12+ Billion dollars (spent annually on illegal immigrants) away from Legal residents in need? Is it reasonable for illegal immigration to cause a 12 billion dollar deficit? The Council is conflating immigration with illegal immigration, there is a difference …is it reasonable to live in a country illegally, should everyone just do t?
Sun – IMO it’s unreasonable to spend any money on illegals for any reason until all Americans, especially American veterans have been properly cared for. Sick and tired of having our money spent in this manner and on lazy ass Americans “playing” the system and then receive benefits.
LOL, oh please. The United States Government has been giving the shaft to and spitting in the face of American Military Veterans for as long as we’ve been a nation. Anyone who believes that the nation will eve the care of veterans is an absolute dolt. Anyone who joins the military and believes that the military will be there for them if they are wounded or suffer from long term damage of any kind are naive suckers.
DOLLY – if you gave a rat’s behind about veterans, you wouldn’t have voted for someone with a long track record of crapping on them
SUN – explain this so called 12 billion dollar deficit.
Does that account for the 90+ billion dollars they contribute to our economy each year?
Total Budget Deficit Shortfall in California’s 2025–26 budget Est. Impact 12 billion
Medi-Cal Expansion Costs Health care for undocumented adults exceeded projections $2.7 billion over budget
Annual Immigrant Health Spending General fund spending on undocumented immigrants’ health care ~$10.8 billion/year
Sac detail the 90 billion, not all farmers are illegal immigrants
SUN – now explain how much it will cost if we cut health care programs for undocumented immigrants. It’s well established that when people don’t have health insurance, they use the ERs and Urgent Cares for routine health issues or not at all until they have severe health issues that could have been prevented by preventative and routine health care. Overflowing ERs and UCs costs the rest of us. Not only in increase costs, but in safety. Read up on that.
The 90 billion does not just come from farmers. You realize that most employed immigrants pay taxes for benefits they’re not even eligible for, right? Oh and also sales tax, etc. Pretty glaringly ignorant for you to assume it’s only coming from farmers’ contributions to our economy.
Weird. From all your other comments, I am surprised at your willful ignorance about productive members of your community.
If people are not in the country illegally costs will be minimal. You are conflating immigration with illegal immigration. With legal immigration status one files and pays state and federal taxes and you benefit from taxes you pay for benefits. This is the whole reason for legal immigration, both sides benefit and you have a sustainable system. Current illegal aliens, do not file taxes which benefit and support society as a whole from education, transportation, communication, health care, etc…when you are not filing a state and federal income tax, the system becomes unsustainable it has nothing to do with race, it’s sustainability. Unless you have 12 billion to pay for the expense, this money will be taken away from those who file taxes and need it.
SUN – LOL yeah fantasizing about something doesn’t make it real. People ARE here, you can’t imagine them away or deport them all. It’s really disturbing that you seem to support this. I thought you were very different. Disappointed.
As for paying taxes, please say you know that filing your tax return is not the only way people pay taxes. That’s adulting 101 stuff there.
I’m sorry, but the ignorance here is too much. I suggest you learn more about how taxes work and why these hard-working people aren’t the threat you sadly believe them to be.
You are disappointed in having a sustainable system where both sides benefit and pay through filing state and federal income tax.. That’s not ignorance that’s sustainability.. If every amercian took your tax solution of just buying something and thinking that’s enough …the system would fail completely. Currently tax payers, yes those who file federal and state income are burden with the cost ANNUAL 12 billion plus, increasing each year, which is not sustainable . I would think you would understand this.
No, SUN, I am disappointed in YOU, no the system. I’m taken aback by your total lack of empathy for our community members and lack of understanding of how taxes work.
You still don’t get it. Undocumented workers are still subject to tax withholdings in their paychecks. Not all are paid cash under the table. I don’t know how this does not occur to you.
Again, please educate yourself and try to find some kindness in your heart.
You would have the system collapse that benefits no one, it has nothing to do with compassion.
Remember January 19th, 2025?
Yeah, there was no collapse, there was no danger of collapse, it’s a manufactured crisis. And you’re supporting evil people who are brutalizing decent human beings. Disgusting.
Here, SUN, read for yourself:
“Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.”
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
This is also corroborated by the Trump administration themselves: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD003.pdf
Now stop lying about taxes.
@Sac
California has about 2.7 million illegal immigrants, about 50% of total illegal immigrants in California pay taxes through ITIN, California received 8.4 billion, however it spent 22 billion…while only 50% of Illegal immigrant pay taxes they all received benefits
💸 California’s spending on undocumented immigrants in 2025 is substantial and spread across multiple public services. Here’s a breakdown based on the latest data:
🏥 Health Care
$8.4 billion is being spent on Medi-Cal, California’s Medicaid program, to provide health coverage for undocumented residents
https://budget.house.gov/press-release/california-to-spend-84-billion-this-year-on-health-care-for-illegal-aliens
This expansion, which began in January 2024, covers all low-income undocumented adults and has exceeded initial budget estimates by billions
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/12/california-medicaid-shortfall-00227904
🏫 Education & Social Services
California also spends billions on:
K–12 public education
In-state tuition for undocumented college students
Housing assistance
Food and nutrition programs
These services contribute to a total estimated annual cost of over $22 billion for migrant-related services.
https://www.visaverge.com/news/california-buckles-under-soaring-migrant-costs/
⚖️ Legal Aid & Other Programs
In 2024, California spent over $8 million on immigration-related legal services through the Equal Access Fund.
An additional $10 million was allocated for legal aid via the Department of Social Services.
However, starting in 2026, California will restrict legal aid funding for undocumented immigrants convicted of serious felonies.
📉 Budget Impact
The state is facing a $12 billion budget deficit, and Governor Newsom has proposed freezing Medi-Cal enrollment for undocumented adults beginning in 2026 to control costs.
California also borrowed $3.44 billion to cover Medi-Cal shortfalls, highlighting the strain on public resources4.
Spending money on people in need and healthcare for all is money well spent.
More shovelware bigotry from down south.
SUN – I just realized all your comments are copied from CHATGPT. I find that disingenuous and won’t be engaging anymore. This is all anonymous, why would you cheat on your comments? Either way, disappointing.
When your strongest suit is natural ignorance, you have to opt for artificial intelligence, even though that’s even more stupid.
SAC, Very disappointed in you for lying. To everyone and your lack of compassion and empathy for citizen who are good people, work hard and are part of the community. They work hard pay their bills and can not afford to pay for their health care and someone else’s and go into debt.
You stated illegal immigrants pay taxes and don’t benefit…total BS
While 50 percent of illegal immigrats have a n ITIN number and pay taxes 50 of illegal immigrants do no not pay taxes.
The estimated $30.9 billion annual cost payed by citizens includes:
$22.8 billion for benefits and services to approximately 3.23 million illegal immigrants
$8.1 billion for services to about 1.15 million U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants
$7,074 per capita cost for California taxpayers
Then you lie and say they do not benefit, BS
These costs cover:
K–12 public education
Indigent medical care
Housing and nutrition assistance
In-state tuition at public colleges
Health coverage under Medi-Cal Other state-funded programs
For every $1 contributed, they receive approximately $3.69 in benefits.
27.1 profit each illegal immagrant makes…so who pay no taxes make 127% return just for being here illegally.
If this isn’t enough cities and counties are adding to the money given to illegal immigrants
Los Angeles County ~$6–8 billion Largest undocumented population in the U.S.
San Diego County ~$2–3 billion Border proximity, migrant services
Orange County ~$1.5–2 billion High housing and education costs
Santa Clara County ~$1–1.5 billion $8M earmarked for immigration services
San Francisco County ~$800M–$1 billion Sanctuary policies, public health access
Fresno County ~$500–700 million Agricultural labor hub
Riverside County ~$1–1.5 billion Growing migrant population
Santa Barbara County $105,000 (public allocation) Approved for Immigrant Legal Defense Center
Goleta (City of SB County) $100,000 (public allocation)
Additionally laws are created to benefit illegal immigrants
Senate Bill 946 (2018) – Safe Sidewalk Vending Act
Legalized sidewalk vending statewide
Decriminalized street vending—vendors can no longer be arrested or charged criminally for vending without a permitRequires cities and counties to regulate vending through civil citations, not criminal penalties
This disadvantages legal business and create a food and health safety epidemic
I think citizens have been neglected by representatives to advantage the illegal population. Citizen have empathy fatigue. Cities, Counties should not raise taxes and then give money away to a select group. It’s great they want to help but they should reach into their own pockets and pay…City of Santa Barbara contributed 500,000 with no accountability of the money. They should each pay 100,000 back into city funds, same goes for Goleta which contributed 100, 000 and the County of Santa Barbara…As stated before the State contributes 31 billion a year costing each tax payer $7,074 Annually and thus far 100 billion dollars. Wile illegal immigrants make a 27.1 profit for each dollar the might pay… This is abuse and neglect to citizens
Where was the County’s letter to the State against high density housing and the threat it poses to citizens in communities ? Why was money not allocated for legal defense?
Whackjob racist with logorrhea strikes again!
@ anonymous
Your incessant proclivity for self-aggrandizement and ostentatious displays of intellect renders your demeanor insufferably pompous
According to anonymous reviewing and analyzing budget cost is racist …you can’t get any dumber
Hey! You found a thesaurus! Congratulations on sort of figuring out how to use it. Still a bit of awkward phrasing, and too verbose, though.
SUN – point out exactly where I “lied.”
This time, try to complete a sentence without relying on AI and ChatGPT.
You really need to learn how to adult.
Sac, you are foolish to think you don’t use AI…if you are so against AI you shouldn’t use this site or the internet which utilizes AI, nor your phone, drive a new car, finance, commerce, travel,, Healthcare, go to a grocery store or even buy from a street vendor, etc…AI is intertwined …
As for your lying, you’ve implied taxes which may or may not be paid by illegal immigrants covers the 31 billion annual cost for illegal immigration. It doesn’t even begin to cover 1/2. Look I get it, you want to support illegal immigration, what I am saying it’s not sustainable. I do support legal immigration because it is sustainable. People who attack just want to hide the math. This enormous expense is not sustainable. it’s causing a deficit. Hiding the math is not going to pay the bills nor is it going to help citizens. Illegal immigration is like trying to drive a car up hill on empty. At least with legal immigration the gas tank gets filled and you make it up and over the hill.
SUN – sure I use AI, but I don’t use it for conversing with other people… that’s all you.
And seriously?
“As for your lying, you’ve implied taxes which may or may not be paid by illegal immigrants covers the 31 billion annual cost for illegal immigration.”
That’s not a lie. I never said it covers anything. All I said was that they pay close to 100 BILLION a year in taxes. That’s not a lie. That is a fact.
Also, 100 is more than 31, so you can figure that one out for yourself.
I’d say nice try, but it wasn’t. Ask Chat GPT why you’re wrong.
Sac, “ Also, 100 is more than 31, so you can figure that one out for yourself.”
I say you you are lying and don’t understand math… yes 100 is greater than 31 BUT California only received 8.4 billion of the 100 billion you quoted, thereby not covering the cost and incurring 22.6 billion in cost. You should use AI to get your facts correct and stop your lying!
SUN – you keep saying I’m “lying,” yet you can’t articulate what I said that was a lie. I have not said anything that is factually incorrect. Not one single thing.
I think it’s best you give it a rest. This is proven to be far too challenging for you.
Sac
You just stated
“Also, 100 is more than 31, so you can figure that one out for yourself.”
Here you imply 100 covers the cost for 31 billion ( which is California cost) yet California only received 8.4 billion leaving a deficit of 22.6 billion….
“ SUN – you keep saying I’m “lying,” yet you can’t articulate what I said that was a lie. I have not said anything that is factually incorrect. Not one single thing.”
I just did, you just won’t admit it …you criticize people for supposedly lying…you look like a hypocrite.
SUN – again, show me where I lied. Not “implied,” because I did nothing of the sort.
You really going to do this all day? You’re dead wrong and continuing this makes you look even less in command of facts (and reality) than you already seem, as you rely on AI to “argue” for you.
Saying 100 is more than 31 is a numerical fact. NOT. A. LIE.
Implying whatever you think I am is NOT. A. LIE. because I didn’t say anything other than that aforementioned fact.
You’ve lost. Give it a rest. You’re moving goalposts, making assumptions and misusing the term, “lie.” Over and done.
SUN – giving you another chance here as you seem genuinely confused.
You said taxpayers (I’m assuming all, not just CA since you didn’t make the distinction and I’m not reading your computer generated arguments) pay 31 Billion. Again, 100 is more than 31.
Now, if you’re trying to say CA tax payers spent 31 billion on “illegal immigrants,” then you’re still way off. Just because CA only received 8.4 Billion (again, not delving into your Chat GPT bs), it does not mean undocumented workers aren’t paying their share unless you can prove that 22.6 billion from the 100 billion they pay (the majority being CA tax payers) isn’t going to CA in some form.
You’re mixing a lot of numbers with a lot of sources and clearly have no grasp of how this works, given your clear misunderstanding of how taxes work in their most simple sense.
Fact is, you don’t really understand the things CHAT GPT told you to copy and paste here.
Soooooo….. again, I’ve not lied at all. My statement about the 100 billion is a numerical fact. You cannot dispute that.
My statement about you figuring this out on your own is also not a lie. It’s a suggestion that you learn what you’re talking about here as opposed to just copying/pasting whatever the computer tells you as you misguidedly type prompts into Chat GPT.
Let’s call this one done. Please have a good day and please make an effort to think on your own. Do the research and articulate your own words and thoughts. You’ll be better informed if you do.
State & federal income tax is only a part of it. Every gallon of gas is taxed. Utilities are taxed, paid for by landlords and passed on to renters. Sales tax on food and clothing. Trying to reframe it the discussion limited to income tax is disingenuous.
Every Citizen pays for those with no benefit
Riiight. That money just gets burned.
You should learn about taxes some time. It will keep you from looking so stupid.
Citizenship has nothing to do with it. Every person, citizen, tourist, undocumented, unhoused, etc who buys anything pays taxes. No benefit? Define “benefit”
Anon , benefits referenced free healthcare, free education, free rent, attorney fees etc…which are not received by every citizen….your need to hide the enormous cost of illegal immigration is evident…legal immigration is sustainable while illegal immigration is not
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116727/witnesses/HHRG-118-JU01-Wstate-CamarotaS-20240111.pdf
SUN – “benefits referenced free healthcare, free education, free rent, attorney fees etc…which are not received by every citizen”
All citizens who are eligible can receive those benefits. You really need to learn how things work in life.
Now, not EVERY citizen gets those things in this country, because we are a backward and greedy nation run by billionaires. If you’d like to receive those benefits, you’ll need to move to a civilized country like anywhere in Europe.
I,m guessing you don’t have the 12 billion this year, 15 billion next year and so forth 😬
I’m guessing, with plenty of evidence to back me, that you don’t really know what you’re talking about here.
None of this has a thing to do with money or resources or crime. Nope.
Sure it does. “Free” healthcare. I wish I could get that, or maybe just a reasonable rate.
BASIC – no DIY?
The government could create a national health care program for all that would be free. You people would never all that.
I don’t think health care should be free for all, just those with little if any money who are also U.S. citizens. Free for everyone is the current Democrat mantra though, so I know where YOU’RE coming from. Free everything! Handouts galore. Unsecured, porous borders. Why work? It began back with COVID and your party still hasn’t figured out that game is over.
No thank you. Make a program free to all in this country and it’ll go down like the Titanic.
BASIC – from a medical perspective, why don’t you think all people should have access to health care?
It’s very clear from your comments that you don’t understand what Democrats or even Republicans want from our government. You’re simply trolling, as usual.
You sound like a dishonest imbecile.
California should provide illegal immigrants with legal work permits so they can further contribute to our local economies and continue paying taxes. Glad we agree on that Sun!
I think they should go through the process like everyone else, not skip the line.. and pay federal and state taxes to support the system. As for Agriculture provide visas like any other profession, but they still have to follow the process like everyone else to get permanent status or citizenship.
SUN – ” and pay federal and state taxes to support the system”
THEY. DO. My God…. this is what I’ve been saying all along.
Also, you do realize that millions were “following the process like everyone else to get permanent status or citizenship” but Trump cancelled their visas and asylum claims making “doing it the right way” impossible.
Learn facts.
The order applies to about 532,000 people from the four countries who came to the United States since October 2022. They arrived with financial sponsors and were given “two-year permits” to live and work in the U.S.
At Sac, I did not know this, my understanding was that if you were illegal you legally could not work and therefore were paid under the table. I did not know illegal immigrants could receive an Individual Taxpayer Identification . I would say that those who are e-verified and verified through finger prints should move through the process and be granted a work visa to ensure a sustainable system. At the same time resources need to be able be sustainable.
Number (ITIN) Here’s a breakdown of that $96.7 billion:
💰 Federal Contributions
$25.7 billion to Social Security
$6.4 billion to Medicare
$1.8 billion to Unemployment Insurance
$19.5 billion in federal income taxes
$6 billion in other federal taxes
🏘️ State & Local Contributions
$15.1 billion in sales and excise taxes
$10.4 billion in property taxes (paid directly or through rent)
$7.0 billion in personal and business income taxes
$4.8 billion in other state/local taxes
📍 Top States by Revenue from Undocumented Immigrants
State Tax Revenue (2022)
California $8.5 billion
Texas $4.9 billion
New York $3.1 billion
Florida $1.8 billion
Illinois $1.5 billion
New Jersey $1.3 billion
ITEP also found that undocumented immigrants paid $8,889 per person on average in taxes, and in 40 states, they paid a higher effective state/local tax rate than the top 1% of earners.
So this changes matters if illegal immigrants are paying this amount it ‘s a start. They should be granted a process for work visas with term limits by e- verified as to prevent abuse does not occur. Unfortunately, you will still have those who use stolen identity fingerprint , face recognition verification is essential.
Yeah, kidnapping and deporting an academically successful 18 year old who has been here since he was a little kid and is a stand out soccer player beloved by his community really makes sense.
Please stop with the thoroughly ignorant and lazy-minded “skipping the line” canard. There is no “line” to skip.
It can take up to two years just to get a green card. Once that’s accomplished you wait five more years before you can apply for citizenship, unless you are married to a US citizen, then it’s only a three year wait. Then it’s anywhere from 9 months to a couple years before the swearing in ceremony. That’s just scratching the surface of the byzantine citizenship process, because all kinds of hiccups can occur along the way, especially if you’re also poor. You can save a lot of time by not doing the green card route, but if you have to work to support yourself while you wait, which almost all immigrants do, that’s not an option.
So it’s several years of working, waiting, navigating a challenging and unstable bureaucracy, hoping not to get sick, hoping not to get into a traffic accident, surviving skyrocketing rents, surviving xenophobia and bigotry, and trying in many cases to keep your family members healthy and your kids in school. Immigrants are the most resourceful and hardest working people in America, my friend. They actually DO make America a great country.
At anon,
Working while waiting to become a legal citizen—or more accurately, while waiting for a green card or adjustment of status—can be perfectly legal if you have the proper authorization. But working without it can seriously jeopardize your immigration process.
Here’s how it breaks down:
✅ Legal Work While Waiting
To work legally in the U.S. while your green card or citizenship application is pending, you need:
An Employment Authorization Document (EAD), also called a work permit
Or a visa that already allows employment, like H-1B or L-1
With an EAD, you can work for any employer, full-time or part-time, without restrictions2.
🚫 Risks of Unauthorized Work
If you work without a valid EAD or work visa:
Your green card or citizenship application could be denied
You might face deportation or removal proceedings
You could be barred from reentering the U.S. for years3
Even side gigs like selling on eBay or freelancing count as “work” in the eyes of immigration law.
;Anon: None of that is guaranteed, so those who come here for work/green cards/work permits/citizenship need to follow the rules. The rules are spelled out and quite simple to follow.
And yet, following the rules does nothing for you when a thuggish executive doesn’t follow the law.
Oh yes google-AI, the sum total of your “research” on this topic, makes it sound sooo simple– geez-louise don’t be so clueless.
The lack of a guarantee and the built-in uncertainty was exactly my point, and why the “rules” are movable goalposts changing from admin to admin along with murky jurisdictions. The long periods of time all but guarantee complications of many kinds, and I gave several obvious examples, but there are many, many more.
Of course everyone should have access to health care, but not necessarily FREE healthcare. Read my previous post Sac. Got it?
Why not? Civilized countries have it, and it works well.
BASIC – yeah, I read it, hence the question. So, you only want US citizens who are poor to get access to health care. Got it.
Here, let me help you, Scientist Doc: people who can’t afford health care DO NOT HAVE HEALTH CARE if it’s not free.
Not sure how you’re not understanding that. Oh wait, never mind. Forgot who I was talking to…..
@ anon “ The lack of a guarantee and the built-in uncertainty was exactly my point”
The point of entry, whether legal via a visa or illegal,, whether the visa was violated or any violation will cause the goal post to move. You are guaranteed denial if you enter the country illegally just like in any Country. The process is slow for a real purpose, to prevent a high influx which the economy can not sustain and to verify.
The best way to improve the speed of the process is to enter the country legally, do not violate your visa and have a skill set in demand. You can’t blame a Country for prioritizing high in demand skills that will dramatically improve the economy. Every Country does this as they can’t afford to spend hundreds of billions .
FYI, AI is used in every aspect, government, policy making, medicine, health care, finance, manufacturing, retail and e-com, transportation and logistics, education, entertainment, climate change solution, water management, research, … it’s endless and verifying on multiple levels is key.
The problem with AI, millions will lose there jobs…
Example Microsoft laid off over 15,000 employees in 2025, including thousands of software engineers and game developers. Many of these employees had worked directly on building and training AI tools — After helping develop these systems, they were replaced by the very AI they helped create
That’s going to happen, yes.
“You are guaranteed denial if you enter the country illegally just like in any Country [sic].”
That is demonstrably false in practice. There were no such guarantees for the are hundreds of thousands of people who entered the U.S. without a visa, or overstayed their temporary ones, who have stayed here for decades while they established careers and families. There are no guarantees, but there are plenty of Hogwarts-style moving staircases, and of course lots of vapid proclamations from those posturing, with abject hypocrisy in many cases, about the rule of law.
Your advice on how to enter a country and your odd pivot to AI actually sounds like AI wrote them both for you. Relevance? Nevermind, I’m not really asking.
I agree that deep-reaching and systemic immigration reform is sorely needed and decades late. The problem is that the GOP is more interested in campaigning and fundraising on the problem -often by the ginning up fear and hatred, e.g. “they’re eating the pets”- than they are in solving it, and when half your government acts that way, real change is next to impossible. Xenophobia is a freekin gold mine for the GOP.
And there we have it, political fund raising and fear-mongering at it’s finest, “you’re bad, no you’re bad attitude”…just another Trillion dollars wasted on political posturing and fund raising…if you choose sustainability you have Xenophobia….if you care about a balanced budget you’re racist, if you don’t follow the propaganda you’re evil, if you’re independent you are bad…you’ve opened the flood gates to the trillion dollar operation of wasted political fund raising…you make a ton of assumptions while ensuring billions are wasted
Or you can do what Sun does: Logorrheic postings that wander away from topic, all with a tone of dissatisfaction.
That sounds like you to a T, ….
What no…. Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
I prefer sesquipedalians with more recherché fundamentals.
Weird capitilizing dude. Ok but just to be clear, (different anon here) are you saying that trump’s plans for immigration are “sustainable”? Or that xenophobia is a natural outcome of turmp’s plans? Sometimes the sarcasm overlaps itself and is hard to figure
I think most people understand that ice is there to continue dividing us. Some outraged to different degrees, some think “as long as it’s criminals as promised” some just sure they won’t be targeted as they are “white.” We have to remember that it may be true now, at least as far as ice goes, but they will come for naturalized citizens and then born here citizens who don’t reflect the desired profile or who speak out against them, or whatever. Those camps will house others; LGBTQ+, Trans, anyone who criticizes this admin. Eventually, it will touch someone you love. They will be disappeared. This is a mukhabarat, a secret police. By dividing us, with all these gradients of BS, they are stronger. I think many people voted for this, thinking it would be a bit different, and that only some people who “deserved it” would be deported. And now they are shocked at what they see.
This is not benign in any way. No one decent is going to win, no matter how hard they try to stay out of it. And by winning, I just mean surviving with one’s self-respect and a clean conscience, and leaving an acceptable world when one dies. People are already just trying to survive. Already we can see the parallels with 1930’s Europe. It’s not hyperbole. It’s happening. A just response to the ice threat would be a general strike state-wide. And try to stop othering your neighbors. We are all the same. Doesn’t matter the culture. We all bleed. We all feel grief. We all want a decent life. People have parents. They have kids. They have pets. They want homes and to live a satisfying and safe life. Etc. There are no “others”. There is no such thing.
What is happening is an outrage. What kind of country have we become? They can disappear our neighbors, they can disappear people we speak to every day, they can disappear our loved ones. And many people are driven to arguing over whether or not these people deserve what happens to them. Please stop. No one deserves being sent to an American concentration camp, or a Salvadoran one. Or to a third country, like South Sudan. No one. People are owed due process.
Just because some thug says they don’t need it, doesn’t change anything. And many people were given asylum here. They came for safety. We just take that away? Just yank it? We just say, suddenly, that’s over? Brutally, with a bang on the door in the middle of the night? Parents arrested? Kids sent to wherever? Pets left on the street? This is without honor and decency. I was educated in the California school system and this was never part of who we were.
Even if the regime is acting like they run a police state, we are not there yet, but we are well on the way. Time to call their bluff. California supports a lot of the federal government. Yet Californians are living in fear and screaming at each other about whether Old Spanish Days culture is this or that. It’s exactly what maga wants. Most power is freely given away, in anticipation of what the regime wants. The regime wants us scared. They actually enjoy it. Let’s try not to fight amongst ourselves. We are so much stronger together. Read Timothy Snyder’s On Tyranny for things to watch out for and to see what you can do.
The fascists currently in power are relying on the average person thinking “It won’t happen to me.”