Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

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By Marian Shapiro

There were 100-200 masked and quiet people on Anapamu St. in front of the County Administrative Building, at Anacapa Street. The Larry Elder Rally taking place in the Sunken Garden probably had  5 to 10 times as many people.

The NO on Recall protesters were local activists, but I suspected many of the Larry Elder Rally attendees came from out of town, especially the activists who were in several big trucks parked along the curbs in front of the Vote No protestors. The Elder demonstrators were very confrontative, yelling at the masked and silent Vote No sign holders.  The Elder activists had bull horns and were screaming that the silent sign holders were communists, that they were against what America stands for, like freedom and children’s health and their children’s right to go to school.

The Elder activists yelled that the Newsom supporters were stupid, believed in a lot of lies, and were thoughtless followers, never checking the truth of what their left-wing leaders told them.  Then two Elder supporting women came right up to the masked Vote No protesters and yelled a lot of accusations, clearly frustrated that their yelling questions got no responses.

They yelled, “Why don’t you respond?  You have no answers!  You are blind, stupid followers who don’t care about your own rights, your freedom, your health.  You are so stupid, you can’t answer. How can you possibly support this Governor?"  The protestors had been advised not to engage in arguments with the other side and to just stand quietly, however it’s extremely difficult not to respond! Occasionally a Newsom supporter would answer the yelled accusation, for example saying, “We’re not Communists!”  

Then a Newsom supporter and leader observed that one of her group was arguing with an aggressive, accusatory Elder supporter.  Michal Lynch decided to interrupt the argument and lead the interaction in a less confronting direction. 

Michal explained,  "I stepped in, and changed the subject, by asking her a question. Then anything she said, I found a way to acknowledge it or stated what part I agreed with, and asked her questions. We had a good time, laughed about how ludicrous all the polarization is, commiserated that both 'sides' are not what we truly want, and compared what we like. It's not hard to find points to agree on, when you’re not yelling.”

Michal was successfully using the skills taught by Dr. Tania Israel in her book, "Beyond your Bubble."

Most people want to tell the other side how wrong they are, but Ms. Lynch showed amazing self control and wisdom in finding things they could agree on. The hostility evaporated and they looked like they were having fun.  But know that for most of us, it’s quite hard to do.


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sacjon Sep 13, 2021 11:28 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Just curious, what, exactly, do you recall people think Elder will actually be able do in the next year? Look, I'm not a Newsom fan, but I just don't think he's doing that bad a job. Would you all prefer we be like Texas or Florida? How much money is it worth to you do this now instead of waiting a year?

salsa guy Sep 13, 2021 09:59 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Zerohawk what a rant! I probably do know over a 1000 people because of the business I was in . Newsom is a douche bud!

PitMix Sep 13, 2021 10:57 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Salsa Guy, great example of the type of thinking of a recall supporter. Please let us know your thoughts on Wednesday.

Watcher237 Sep 12, 2021 12:44 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Glad to see people are paying attention. Now VOTE! Blab about your opinions if you must. Yours are the correct ones, always! Right? But voting is all we've been asked to do. Vote thoughtfully. Your vote is your own. Practice your freedom as long as you can. Also try to remember the kind words of a wise God... love your neighbor.

oops Sep 12, 2021 12:39 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

I was at the rally, there were a couple of No Recall folks walking in the Elder crowd trying to make a point with their signs....a bit provoking for sure. A sheriff officer had to tell one female No Recall protester to stop because she was taunting folks in the crowd. Counter protesting at the same time is never a great thing

sacjon Sep 13, 2021 11:30 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

OOPS - " trying to make a point with their signs....a bit provoking for sure." Gads, sounds traumatizing for you! Was it as or more "provoking" as running a bus off the road with a gang of big trucks?

SantaBarbaraObserver Sep 12, 2021 07:33 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

What bothers me most about this whole charade, how it has showcased the extreme numbers of people who lack any knowledge or understanding of how our government actually functions. Who has power over what…policy vs legislation vs politics… etc... Civics has long since lost its place in schools and It seems that 20+years of talk show blowhards, bloviating about how government should work, has eaten away the small amount of civic understanding the avg person held. -------------------------------------------------------------- Today, as evidenced by the obnoxious anti-Newsom crowd, people simply do not know what the actual duty of their elected officials… Granted in today conservative media and party, its become a theater of the absurd. A carnival of clowns all fighting for airtime and attention. Barking and whining is the job, rather than actually governing or gasp, working towards something instead of against it... So its easy to see why the uneducated would think that a blowhard can bully his way through the problems. After all, simple people need simple solutions. Yet absolutely nothing about governing or policy creation is simple. Which is why the Right is filled with preachers, actors, clowns and charlatans. There is no shortage of shameless people willing to say anything for money and power. And say anything they do... its the oldest grift in the books. Distract their attention while reaching behind and stealing their wallets. If you do it right, they'll even give you their wallets on their own. That's why so many preachers are millionaires while their flock are peasants.

Voice of Reason Sep 13, 2021 09:19 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Great retort @12:29, full of facts and solid points countering Byzantium's comment. Though you could describe CNN the same way.

a-1631474981 Sep 12, 2021 12:29 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

9:39 - That's meant to be satire, right? I can't believe anyone would characterize Red State as anything but cartoonish opinion, devoid of facts.

Byzantium Sep 12, 2021 09:39 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

SBO, please try reading the RedState website, if i you want to open yourself broader range of conservative thought than your current one-dimensional version. None of us who call ourselves conservatives even recognize this cartoon version you present. RedState has been running good articles about the Recall election, as well as more national topics. Good writing, good research and good balance.

SBLetsGetAlong Sep 11, 2021 06:01 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Everyone I saw there were locals. Per SB Police there were over 2,000 people there to support Elder.

A homeless looking person next to us went over to some anti Elder protesters who were being loud & asked them politely to allow the supporters have their space. Those anti people left

I do not like Newdom snd his rules for thee not me policies over the last year snd a half. Like keeping his winery open despite the death rate per population bring higher than our region.
Or the schools are closed except for his private school. No travel, unless he goes to his Montana ranch while he tells us to not visit family. Or going out to dinner with over a dozen unrelated people while our restaurants are closed.
The list goes on. Definitely not a leader.

It was peaceful. The anti Elder crowd were flipping middle fingers and yelling being unruly.

Voice of Reason Sep 13, 2021 09:27 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

I agree Zero, there are douchy, grifting policitans on both sides of the isle and we've had a terrible history of Governors. Yet to call CA ungovernable? That sounds like a major cop-out rather than admitting that voting the same way for 30 years with a single-party rule does not lead to good governance. Isn't it time to try something new, or should we keep doing the same thing hoping for a different result?

ZeroHawk Sep 13, 2021 08:59 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

"Everyone I saw there were locals. Per SB Police there were over 2,000 people there to support Elder." So you know 2000 people in town? like actually know them by name and face? i've been here since 82 and know ALOT of people, but 2000...wow that's...pretty impressive if it were not inflated numbers. I also talked to some friends in the PD, about 2000 people and most were from out of the area. Your list of reasons to vote Newsome out really doesn't jive with me. I mean, yeah he's a jerk for the restaraunt thing, but is it worth all of this? Nope. Going to his ranch in Montana? SO WHAT. He's way safer there than anywhere in this state. I had family leave and go to Idaho. Should we recall them too? That's just an absurd list of reasons to try to oust him. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me either way. Why? Because my day will be the same regardless of what douchy things a politician does. Do you think they are all good and honest but not Gavin? If so you're horribly mistaken. Elder and the rest of the challengers will do other stupid things that will upset another group of citizens. California is ungovernable. Our state has a terrible history of governors and being the 5th largest economy on the planet, it's a VERY big job to do. Focus on what's hes accomplished. This is a waste of all of our time and effort because in the end, we all get screwed. Always. Regardless of whos in the office.

salsa guy Sep 11, 2021 10:16 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Interesting comments about the rally. I was there. I knew a lot of Santa Barbarians there. I would say that the vast majority of people attending were locals. In the section I was in it was peaceful and there were NO on the recall folks there. I am sorry but from what I have seen in the past it is far more likely that the NO folks would be the disruptors. Its their fight and they make sure that we all know it. Regarding the egg incident in Venice, Elders security detail did exactly what they should have done. They had no idea if there was a threat greater than an egg toss. What was with the gorilla mask btw? Imagine if this would have happened to a DEM. Newsom is pretentious, pompous ass. The governship is for him just a stepping stone to a larger political office. His management of CA from forest management [yes the vast majority is FED land] , but how did Jerry brown get it done. He management of his departments namely the EDD which was sending Covid checks to prisoners in San Quentin and scammers in Nigeria instead of Californians. His management of the housing crisis which is a total failure. HIs management of the Covid crisis which cost many Californians their livelihood with the lockdowns and dracronian measures which produced results not much better than Florida which had no lock down. Get him out now! There are other candidates running than just Elder. Candiditates that have ideas for solving problems what Newsom cannot or will not do.

gsurfdog Sep 11, 2021 08:53 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Down in the sunken garden I didnt witness one single 'yes' on Newsom's recall confrontation between the few that had the guts to waive their 'no' signs. Emphasis....NOT one confrontation whatsoever from beginning to end. The rally down there was totally peaceful and most decidedly pro for change from the horrific path Newsome has led our now tarnished golden state down...highest taxes, gasoline, homelessness in the U.S., with nearly the worst education rated at 41st..where have all those millions of state lottery dollars gone for years now, since they were to have fixed our educational system ?

Luvaduck Sep 11, 2021 07:44 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

A big waste of money. No one on the replacement list has the experience to finish out Newsome's term. Rationally, those who would like him to be replaced should have had competent people to run against him in the scheduled election. Right or left, the slate of candidates to replace him is a sick joke. Since a replacement candidate would need so few votes, as a replacement govenor of one of the biggest economies of the world, we could get a toker, a billboard queen or a kid still in school. That would NOT be a joke.

Basicinfo805 Sep 11, 2021 07:37 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Except, Luvaduck, sometimes and I believe this I one of them, there is value in the people saying no, this is bs. And making a statement. Plus a lot of us want Newsome ‘s career to fizzle out ASAP, because we all know he’s looking at bigger and bigger offices. He’s that kind of guy. We’ll take a temporary replacement, yeah we will.

Mesarats Sep 11, 2021 06:45 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Californian republicans are going Big Steal 2.0. The party has become a 1 trick pony. Ballots are bar coded and everyone can track their own. wonder how they will confabulate this one.

BDM 1868 Sep 11, 2021 12:06 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

The yes people where at the sunken garden grass with their backs to most of the no people that where across the street on the steps of the county building. A pretty good distance away. I am not blind nor deaf!

sbmh2015 Sep 11, 2021 06:48 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Maybe in your section. There was a group of 'yes' people by the 'no' people purposely trying to goat us.

BDM 1868 Sep 10, 2021 10:38 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

I was there. One ford truck parked legally in front of County Administration building with a vote yes recall Newsom flag. Not blocking the vote no people. I was between both groups there was almost no
confrontation except a little back and forth name calling and I have video! The no people where not silent and there was not several big trucks blocking the vote no people. you can see the only truck with the yellow flag in the second picture.

sbmh2015 Sep 10, 2021 11:52 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

I was there too. It was far more than name calling. It was not stop screaming in our faces, at very close range, and no masks. Very aggressive. The truck absolutely parked in front of 'no on recall' folks.

Idesofmarch Sep 10, 2021 08:01 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Does anyone know of any video that's available of these confrontations and big trucks blocking protesters' view and the yelling? Surely someone had a phone up in the air during all this. I'd like to see it so we know which people and trucks to avoid.

shorebird Sep 10, 2021 08:01 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

I’ve seen the write up about the egg/monkey mask incident. It was reported as one egg and it missed. But that was enough to scare Big Lar away.

Babycakes Sep 10, 2021 06:22 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Thank goodness none of the "No Recall" protesters were dressed up as chimps while throwing eggs at Mr. Elder. It's good to have a healthy difference of opinion, but the monkey mask and egg tossing is truly uncalled for, although it seems that a couple of y'all are A-OK with it (how lovely), but most people are not. Stop with the hate and racism and stop wearing monkey masks and throwing eggs.....please.

fitz Sep 11, 2021 07:34 AM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

This incident with the mask happened in the middle of a huge homeless encampment in LA. Elder has always been a provocateur and going into a homeless camp with an entourage of staff, cameramen and media was not about looking for votes from the homeless.

midair Sep 10, 2021 10:28 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

As soon as you show me the evidence that the election was stolen, voting machines were rigged, and bigfoot exists.

doulie Sep 10, 2021 10:23 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

MIDAIR - Please let me/us know the evidence you have to support your statement the "monkey masker" was "an Elder plant."

midair Sep 10, 2021 07:19 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

The so called "monkey masker" was an Elder plant trying to elicit sympathy and paint Newsom supporters as racist. Can't believe (well actually I can) how anyone is foolish enough to fall for the game.

GeneralTree Sep 10, 2021 06:49 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

I don't think the homeless person with the monkey mask in Venice was a protester.....

Babycakes Sep 10, 2021 06:44 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Clarification: The hate and racism was not from the monkey-masker throwing eggs at Mr. Elder. Something like that?

SBCountyLocal Sep 10, 2021 05:42 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

I want to thank all of the "No on Recall" protesters for demonstrating. I saw you as I drove my ballot to the post office and really appreciated your presence at this rally. - I voted "No" on the question to recall.

a-1631410780 Sep 11, 2021 06:39 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

6:33 - Epidemiologists knew what to do. The orange moron didn't do it. Newsom did. That's why California is so much better off than the states with ignorant government.

OGSB Sep 10, 2021 06:37 PM
Protesting the Larry Elder Rally

Just in case you didn't look past the first thing to vote one, there are a ton of other options besides Elder. I get that Newsome will still be here and be fine and probably be reelected. I still think he should be put on notice that his BS doesn't fly with ALL of CA.

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