Petitions for Bright Street Lights

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Petitions for Bright Street Lights
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Update by an edhat reader
August 2, 2018

Update:

I just learned from Alelia at SCE that there are petitions available to REMOVE the horrible new streetlight bulbs = yay! These petitions require that you get signatures from the occupants of the 5 nearest houses/buildings in each direction of the light. They also have to do a safety analysis to ensure that it’s not a high-risk area for accidents.
Cheers!
Alelia Parenteau
Energy Program Supervisor
CITY OF SANTA BARBARA, Public Works
(805) 564-5474 | AParenteau@SantaBarbaraCA.gov


By an edhat reader
July 24, 2018

This week Edison replaced the street lamps on our street, in the 1600 block of Mountain Ave, and I feel like I’m living inside a sports arena. This photo is taken at night time, but it looks like daylight!

I called the City to complain to the person who was in charge of replacing the City’s lights, Alelia Parenteau. The City successfully used a LED fixture with a lot of cut-off for less light bleed in many parts of the City. Edison did not use the same fixture and it is obvious. Alelia said she’s had many calls of complaints about the fixtures and that she is trying to get Edison to change them or shroud them or dim them.

If you would like to email her with your concerns or complaints about the light fixtures near your house, she said it would be OK: aparenteau@santabarbaraca.gov. I’m sure she needs as much support as possible to get Edison to change them, and email communications are easier to save and track. Her work number is 805-564-5474. She assured me that she is trying, but it may take time.

The City of Santa Barbara also issued a statement [Monday] stating that anyone could call the above number to request a shroud be placed around the new lights if they are being bombarded with light the way our house is. 

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a-1571156371 Aug 06, 2018 11:21 PM
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Thanks to everyone who added info. I'm thinking of preemptively informing all my neighbors about this nightmare. And writing the SB City Council. And the PUC. I bookmarked this thread. Please keep adding input!

a-1571156371 Aug 03, 2018 10:24 PM
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RED CREEK, LUCKY777 and PITMIX: What can we do? I talked with Alelia months ago. (I wrote earlier that it wasn't her, but turns out it was the *same* City official with whom I discussed these awful new lights.) This time around she and I exchanged emails and she is going to send me a petition. I did say to her (email) that the petition sounds like a lot of work for me which will most likely result in nothing being done. "Risk analysis" and all that blather. While she denies that budget has anything to do with it, nevertheless this was in one email to me: " . . .we (City) spend almost $500k per year on streetlight electricity, with these new fixtures it should be almost halved." So------------IT IS ABOUT THE MONEY! Yet again the little guy has to do all the heavy lifting if we want this problem to be rectified. I love stargazing and I absolutely detest these new "stadium" lights. I am going to contact the PUC and complain to them .********* Thank you, commenter 8531.***********

a-1571156371 Aug 03, 2018 10:08 PM
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PII. You crack me up. You're seeing bats eating the insects at SBCC stadium. Please take a closer look and you will "get" that you're seeing bats at those stadium lights. I'm not a chiroptologist. Maybe someone else can tell you which species of bats haunt SBCC.

macpuzl Aug 02, 2018 05:45 PM
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If you're in an unincorporated area of the county, the lighting ordinances are being updated to address some of these problems, thanks to the Save Our Stars Committee of WEWatch up in the Santa Ynez Valley. ======================================= To view the Outdoor lighting requirements, see Section 35.30.120 in the link to the Land Use and Development Code below. The project I mentioned to revise and standardize the existing Outdoor Lighting regulations will also amend the LUDC to apply the lighting standards currently in place for select community plans (e.g. Santa Ynez, Eastern Goleta Valley, Summerland, Mission Canyon, and Gaviota Coast Plan) and apply them countywide, including the Orcutt area, which is good news. The Outdoor Lighting regulation update will likely start next year in 2019 (winter or spring). ============================================ http://sbcountyplanning.org/pdf/forms/LUDC/LUDC.pdf ============================================ David Lackie Supervising Planner - Long Range Planning County of Santa Barbara 123 E. Anapamu Street Santa Barbara, CA 93101 805.568.2023 ============================================ dlackie@countyofsb.org <mailto:dlackie@countyofsb.org> ============================================ For more information about Long Range Planning go to: ============================================ http://longrange.sbcountyplanning.org/

Red Creek Aug 02, 2018 02:13 PM
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Cheers? That city staff member sounds a little too arrogant. Folks are complaining with legitimate issues, and she tells you to get up your own petition? The City has no power or authority over SCE? OR to set policy regarding offensive and unnecessary brilliant lightening in residential neighborhoods.? Sounds like a meeting with the local City Councilperson and Mayor is necessary to blast the bureaucrat in charge into responsible action for the citizens of SB.

a-1571156371 Jul 30, 2018 11:26 PM
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Hmm. "Alelia" is not the City official I spoke with many months ago when I noticed that one of these bright white lights had replaced a nice soft yellow light right down the street at a corner not far from my house. Because of that white light, the corner is now lit so brightly, you could stand anywhere within its radius and read a book, a very small print book, no problem. I was told that ALL of the City of Santa Barbara street lights would be replaced with these new glaringly bright lights and that it had to do with City budget and nothing at all to do with SoCalEdison. A few nights ago I noticed another yellow light within view of my front yard had been replaced with a blastingly white light. UGH and double UGH.

Merc Jul 27, 2018 07:38 AM
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Sorry everyone, but I already had light shields in place when the bulbs were changed in the 1800 block of Mountain Ave. and it does nothing. It is absolutely unacceptable for our city to allow this - for so many reasons: it feels like prison lights, it disrupts all animal patterns - not just the nocturnal animals... and what about the light pollution in our night sky? Lets all stand together and get our neighborhoods back to a gentle, civilized feeling. Cheers!

Lucky 777 Jul 25, 2018 09:22 PM
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I dutifully registered my dismay by email with Alelia Parenteau, Energy Program Supervisor, and she replied : "I will add your name/request to the list of requested shields to give to SCE? (sic) The shields, unfortunately take about 2-4 weeks to get but SCE is working on it!" I then replied : "I think the important thing for you to do is tell Edison that ALL lights should have the shields. They are just going to charge a double installation fee to come back and put them on, and in SOME places they are installing them with shields to begin with. This is the sort of city where ALL should be installed with shields at the first pass. She replied "Yes, we are trying to prevent SCE from charging people who have been affected by this project, hence why we reached out. To be fair, we’ve had a number of people who are pleased with the increased light output (though fewer, and I doubt it went into their bedrooms). We are continuing to work on this with SCE and will hopefully figure something out that works for our City." So, "working on this with SCE" sounds like a weak position. I'd like for once to hear a civil employee say they were going to take a stand against a monopoly. And if we complain and ask for a less polluting light, say again, are we going to be CHARGED for that? "Trying to prevent?" Say what?

happyme Jul 25, 2018 09:19 PM
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We had the exact same situation occur in Hermosa Beach (a few miles south of LAX) in April 2018. Lots and lots of complaints. I am definitely not in favor of these nasty bright lights. Sorry that Santa Barbara was a victim also.

Cricketeer Jul 25, 2018 06:10 PM
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We live in Foothills near 154. We've been trying to figure out the source of the light. I thought they were for an event at Eling's Park. Such bad light pollution, it lights up the whole hillside.

a-1571156371 Jul 25, 2018 04:34 PM
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SCE is a utility and they have to answer to the PUC, so send the PUC a note. http://cpuc.ca.gov/contactus/.

notarobot Jul 25, 2018 11:22 AM
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Stop installing them. It’s a design flaw for small narrow residential streets. It’s pure light pollution. I too had one installed across the street last Friday and it has had a tremendous impact on my health and enjoyment to sit on my patio, or even sleep. It’s a prison light. If the city is aware of the complaints pouring in from city dwellers , then stop the install of them. If the city knows that a shield can be put on, then do it at the same time as install. Enough of the wait list and passing the job. Sure it’s Edison, I get that , but does he care John King? , he doesn’t even live in town John.King@sce.com 626-278-4057 Go back to the drawing board and design something that is for our neighborhood streets. These lights are for commercial buildings with wide streets.

stormet54 Jul 25, 2018 11:02 AM
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The bulb was replaced on the city owned pole across from our house on the Mesa. It used to give off a nice golden glow and now it's like looking into a flashlight. Horrible!!!

PitMix Jul 25, 2018 10:20 AM
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Even the lights that the City installed, which are supposed to be better, seem a lot brighter even though the City swears they aren't. There are studies out there that conclude that public safety does not improve with street lights, but since they make us feel safer, it is hard for us to give them up. Maybe only global warming will pry them from our dead overheated overlit fingers? Paying for streetlight power is a pretty big budget item for the City.

pii Jul 25, 2018 08:35 AM
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This is slightly off topic. Have you seen the birds fly up to the lights above SBCC stadium? They fly up and then seem to fall down, then back up and repeat over and over again. They look exhausted. It is pathetic.

greytfull Jul 25, 2018 08:06 AM
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The comment about "low temperature" was absolutely correct. You are dealing with blue laser-generated light. The important thing is the shape of the light pattern and it's color. The color temperature should not exceed 3000 (the range humans are comfortable with). (this is true when you replace your household bulbs with LEDs, too) Unfortunately, his is what happens when companies forget the public's welfare. Please write to SCE before Santa Barbara looks like an airstrip.

Z Jul 25, 2018 07:28 AM
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Street lights? You city folk find the weirdest stuff to complain about. Out here in the countryside we have headlamps on our cars.

a-1571156371 Jul 30, 2018 10:54 PM
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The problem of light pollution is not only a menace to astronomers. People who have no interest in astronomy are affected by the intrusion of light into their properties; be it a streetlamp that shines into their bedroom or the danger caused to motorists from the glare from poorly designed/placed streetlights and floodlights. Light pollution also has numerous direct impacts on the environment. Not only can some high-powered lights produce more carbon dioxide over a year than a modern day diesel car produces in about 500 kilometres (read more) , but the strain on wildlife in both urban and rural locations is great (read more) . Light pollution is also an unnecessary waste of energy that eventually gets translated into a great and unnecessary cost to economies worldwide. https://www.iau.org/public/themes/light_pollution/

a-1571156371 Jul 30, 2018 10:53 PM
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It's just plain ugly. The light shown in the photos is EXTREME. I'd raise heck if it was my neighborhood. And the reasons previously mentioned. ====================================================================== For those who care or are curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution

Flicka Jul 25, 2018 07:09 AM
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We have the same problem in Concha Loma in Carp. Gads, the light was bad enough before but this new thing is like in the published photos here. Thanks for the suggestion to call Edison for a shield. Our other light was bad enough, we've lived with it for 42 years and my complaints fell on deaf ears. Or, I was told Edison would put on a shield for $180. I guess this time they will just do it free to mitigate the worse problem they caused.

Factotum Jul 24, 2018 11:15 PM
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SCE is offering to install shields for free, to correct this issue. Give them a call or try online.

a-1571156371 Jul 30, 2018 10:41 PM
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Not enough. That light needs to be changed! I'd be miserable if that was on my street, especially during hot weather when I keep shades open to allow for air flow. I know I'm too late to this conversation, but what kind of light is it? Still LED but a different fixture is what I got. I didn't know the LED's where that painfully brilliant. This is not a good design feature.

pstarSR Jul 25, 2018 06:57 AM
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I dont see SCE coming by in the evening to check the light pattern, during install ( during the day) it would be hard to tell the impact. but the shield is a good option to try, they will install one.

Potif Jul 24, 2018 11:43 PM
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They shouldn't need to be told there is a problem if the lights are that bright! Just some common sense should work.

Ducky Jul 24, 2018 08:31 PM
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Too bad we can’t address the underlying issue of entitlement and disrespect that makes it necessary for the bright lights in the first place.

a-1571156371 Jul 24, 2018 05:54 PM
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Umm... hate to state the obvious but where's a good guy with a bb gun when you need one? or even a slingshot.

d8vanilla Jul 24, 2018 05:13 PM
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That might explain the mega bright light on San Andres, near Victoria street.... The entire street is lit up !!!

macpuzl Jul 24, 2018 03:20 PM
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In addition to the obvious drawbacks of light trespass and glare, LED luminaires that aren't of the "low temperature" variety emit so much blue light that they disrupt human (and animal) circadian rhythms and start causing health problems. ============================== Lots of good information resources at http://darksky.org

Bug Girl Jul 24, 2018 03:05 PM
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I feel bad for the nocturnal animals that live around there, confused about what time it is and being more susceptible to predation. Also my sympathies to the inhabitants of the street for the light pollution. I would be quite upset as well.

sbres Jul 24, 2018 02:58 PM
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Well, I guess I shouldn't complain that we have no lights on our street just a few blocks away......

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