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Is there a local osteopath that readers would recommend? They're pretty common in other countries but am having a hard time finding one locally. 

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a-1633019680 Sep 30, 2021 09:34 AM

Thankfully they are rare locally. They should be non-existent. You should look for a scientifically based care giver.

a-1633024927 Sep 30, 2021 11:02 AM

Rude and wrong.
"Osteopathic medical students complete four years of medical school, plus three to nine years of additional medical training through internships and residencies in their chosen specialties. After earning their degree, D.O.s also must pass state licensing exams and national boards."

"Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine graduates attend the same graduate medical education programs as their MD counterparts."


a-1633025004 Sep 30, 2021 11:03 AM

"One notable difference between DO and MD training is that DOs spend an additional 300–500 hours to study a set of hands-on manipulation of the human musculoskeletal system along with learning conventional Western medicine and surgery like their MD peers."

a-1633031757 Sep 30, 2021 12:55 PM

Here's what the National Health Service of UK says about this sort of practice: There's some evidence to suggest that osteopathy may be effective for some types of neck, shoulder or lower-limb pain, some types of headache, and recovery after hip or knee operations.
There's only limited or no scientific evidence that it's an effective treatment for conditions unrelated to the bones and muscles.... https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/osteopathy/

MarcelK Sep 30, 2021 01:31 PM

The U.K. is not the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Osteopathic_Medicine
"Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO or D.O.) is a medical degree offered by medical schools ***in the United States***. A DO graduate may become licensed as a physician. DOs have full practice rights in all 50 ***US*** states. As of 2021, there were more than 168,000 osteopathic physicians and osteopathic medical students ***in the United States***.[1]

DO degrees are offered ***in the United States*** at 37 medical schools .[2][3][4] As of 2021, more than 26% of ***US*** medical students were DO students.[5][6] The curricula at osteopathic medical schools are equivalent to those at MD-granting medical schools, which focus the first two years on the biomedical and clinical sciences, then two years on core clinical training in the clinical specialties.[7]

==>Only US-granted DO and MD programs are listed as medical schools in the World Directory of Medical Schools. <== Upon completing medical school, a DO graduate may enter an internship or residency training program, which may be followed by fellowship training.[7] DO graduates attend the same graduate medical education programs as their MD counterparts.[8]"

dw2000 Oct 01, 2021 08:46 AM

@9/30 - 9:34AM - I think perhaps you are thinking about homeopathic medicine?

Randy Parks Sep 30, 2021 10:23 AM

For those that are unaware: Osteopathic medicine is a "whole person" approach to medicine—treating the entire person rather than just the symptoms. With a focus on preventive health care, Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine (DOs) help patients develop attitudes and lifestyles that don't just fight illness, but help prevent it, too.

"Ahh, no, I want you to focus on the pain in my lower back."

pxn Sep 30, 2021 01:09 PM

My sister, the smart one in the family, got a DO degree in Des Moines, IA -- there was no MD program in town. She did her residency at the Mayo Clinic, a reputable place that recognizes the quality of DO training. She's been in practice as a neurologist for over 30 years now. DOs are not some quack medical group.

a-1633041951 Sep 30, 2021 03:45 PM

Parsing language that attempts to ignore that DO "medical" schools are the same as MD "medical" schools is the problem. What people learn at schools that respect investigation, science and the total body is different than what DO schools proudly brag is their superiority. So if a DO grad goes to a real medical school afterwards, great. One hopes that she or he enters into the tradition of successful western scientific human care. But if she or he simply uses the DO to claim the right to diagnose and treat the whole gambit of medical issues the patient is being shortchanged. Go to a chiropractor or masseuse, its cheaper and you can use the savings to go to an MD for proper care.

a-1633042016 Sep 30, 2021 03:46 PM

3:45 PM here. The first sentence should say that the DO schools are NOT the same as the MD schools.

MarcelK Sep 30, 2021 04:16 PM

The cited material shows that none of these claims are true in the U.S.

915films Sep 30, 2021 05:22 PM

Hmmm, not a single recommendation.

Lem4058 Sep 30, 2021 11:49 PM


Sawyer Haig, DO is a wonderful Internal Medicine Practitioner. I was his patient at Sansum Clinic until some months back. He joined another practice on Pueblo between Bath and De La Vena streets. There are a handful of DOs employed by Sansum

a-1633096756 Oct 01, 2021 06:59 AM

I wonder what the typical DO’s position is regarding vaccines.

dw2000 Oct 01, 2021 08:48 AM

The typical DO would recommend approved vaccines like any other responsible doctor.

a-1633101737 Oct 01, 2021 08:22 AM

From what I read, the original osteopathic teachings were anti-vax but now osteopath organizations' stance is pro-vaccination.

dw2000 Oct 01, 2021 08:44 AM

My brother graduated from a DO program. He then completed an Internal Medicine residency (that MD's were also competing for) at a reputable hospital system in the LA area. He then got into a fellowship (again competing against MD's ) for endocrinology. Along the way I know he had to take the same board exams as someone who went to an MD program. As far as I know, the DO degree covered all the same material as an MD program.

dw2000 Oct 01, 2021 04:57 PM

Not sure why someone gave me a downvote for a statement of fact.

MarcelK Oct 01, 2021 08:03 PM

Ah, you're new here.

Red Creek Oct 01, 2021 09:21 AM

My wife and I both are patients of Dr. Justin Hwang, OD of Sansum in Goleta. He is excellent and you should meet him.

MarcelK Oct 01, 2021 12:39 PM

DO, you mean. An OD is an optometrist.

yin yang Oct 01, 2021 09:46 AM

Saw this in some news blurb; she's a newer hire. Accepting patients:

yin yang Oct 01, 2021 09:48 AM

also https://www.sansumclinic.org/find-a-doctor/doctor/profile/olivia-m-bajor
who may be my new dr., as mine just retired.

T Schultz Oct 01, 2021 06:27 PM

Discussions about osteopaths need to be differentiated from discussions about Osteopathic Physicians. THERE ARE TWO BRANCHES OF MEDICINE THAT FULLY LICENSE PHYSICIANS IN THE UNITED STATES: M.D. and D.O.
Currently, the term “osteopath” (in the US) is used as a colloquial/historical reference to the other branch (non-MD) of fully licensed physicians who ‘specialize in osteopathic manipulation’. More generally and to most “citizens of the world’, it refers to the growing number of osteopathically foreign-trained ”Doctors of Osteopathy”, who use the noun osteopath to define the scope of their practice. This license is found in abundance in the UK, Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, and most of Europe. Their license is limited to physical treatment, not surgical or pharmaceutical management associated with patient care. The American Osteopathic Association recognizes a specialty branch and board certification associated with physicians trained in Neuromusculoskeletal Medicine. Although that certification is not exclusive as a replacement to the term ‘osteopath’, it has a very similar colloquial association in America. The exception being, a Neuromusculoskeletal physician is fully licensed in their scope of practice, unlike the ‘osteopath’ whose license is limited, as is their medical training. I refer to myself as an Osteopathic Physician with a board certification in Neuromusculoskeletal Medicine…., but my friends and former patients know that I am an Osteopath. It suggests that I have ‘roots’ in the traditional practice of “hands-on” medicine, misleading until it is understood.

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