Opinion: Defy Grinch Newsom

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By Lisa Sloan of Goleta

Dear Honorable County Supervisors,

Thank you kindly to Chair Hart and Supervisors Hartman and Williams for responding to my letter from last week.  You each described the plan to send a letter formally requesting Governor Newsom to ungroup our county from the Southern California Region and to form a Central Coast region with Ventura and San Luis Obispo.  Meanwhile, each day that goes by waiting for a response, our county continues to suffer.  

Would you please help your constituents who wish to make a living, go to school, and worship God in church? These lockdowns are political and are not based upon science.  The data does not warrant the closures for a virus with a 99.8% survival rate, according to the CDC.  Besides, nowhere in the U.S. Constitution is there a provision for the Bill of Rights to become void in time of pestilence or any other emergency crisis.  

What makes us think that a tyrannical Grinch Newsom will respond in a timely manner to our pitiful letter?  Businesses that have submitted their attestations obviously intend to be protective of their customers.  Meanwhile, Newsom breaks his own guidelines.  Do his actions demonstrate that he believes his guidelines are effective?  No, the only goal of this Grinch is to steal Christmas.

Stop the interminable unscientific and unconstitutional closures of businesses, schools and churches, whether our hospital capacity is measured as a sole County or as the entire Southern California region.  Don't wait for a response to your letter that may never come!  Please protect your constituents now.  Uphold your oath of office.  Defy the Grinch!


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sacjon Dec 16, 2020 11:02 AM
Opinion: Defy Grinch Newsom

OK, OK.... we all know who is truly to blame for all of this - Hilary's emails! Also, Obama.

Voice of Reason Dec 16, 2020 12:04 PM
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Well Sac.... had Hillary not conspired with the DNC to steal the nomination from Bernie, Bernie would have been running for reelection this year, Trump would still be just that rich realty show guy, and when covid hit, Bernie would have prioritized the people and small businesses rather than the current leaders (on both sides) who politicized the virus to increase their political clout while siphoning as much money from the people to the .1%'s, mega corporations, wall street, and big pharma (aka their donors) as possible.

Babycakes Dec 16, 2020 10:37 AM
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I think the reason why so many folks are confused is because now Flip-Flopping = changing due to the evolution of scientific knowledge. The same name-calling folks would call me a "dog hater" or "animal hater" if I don't want to rent a room to someone who has a dog/cat/pot-belly pig. But I wold not be a superstar/hero if I refused to rent a room to someone because they like to eat at Chik-Fil-A. Because a person does not agree with your position one way or the other doesn't make them a denier or hater. It's incredible how divided we are these days in not allowing others to belong to a different political party, believe/not believe in God, and so on. Give a break peeps.....let peeps be their own person....live and let live kinda thing. Leadbetter a bit flat at the moment...may pick up a bit when tide goes down....small lines at C-Street.

ChemicalSuperFreak Dec 15, 2020 07:11 PM
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Why are there so many science and math deniers commenting here? Buying a telescope on Amazon or from Costco doesn't make you a scientist.

Voice of Reason Dec 16, 2020 09:14 AM
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Because they've been listening to lying and deceiving politicians talk about following the "science and data" (while not actually following the science and data) for the past 9 months and now have a skewed view of what that actually means?

a-1608092286 Dec 15, 2020 08:18 PM
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But ignoring data you don't like and deriding decisions made before more data was collected definitely makes you a non-scientist.

Lina24 Dec 15, 2020 10:58 AM
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The author has it backwards. The biggest destroyer of Christmas is suffering with the Coronavirus during the Holidays, and even worse, losing loved ones. The Grinch would love nothing more than that!
Newsom wants to protect us from that so he's more like a savior than anything. He even cares more about our health and well being than he does about his own.

sacjon Dec 16, 2020 10:29 AM
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VOR - sure sounds like you're defending him by saying he was merely "downplaying" the virus.

sacjon Dec 16, 2020 10:12 AM
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VOR - are you seriously comparing Fauci's position on mask efficacy (changing due to the evolution of scientific knowledge) to Trump's failure to take serious a deadly virus and even taking steps to put his followers in harm's way all the while admittedly knowing that it was a deadly and serious threat?

A lie is an intentionally false statement. That is EXACTLY what Trump did when he told the American people the pandemic was just a "liberal hoax" and to go back to school and work and he supported those who refused to take any precautions whatsoever. Why is it a lie? Because HE KNEW how deadly it was. "Downplaying" my a$$, it was a bold faced deadly lie that caused untold numbers of American deaths.

That is NOTHING like Fauci's change in position on mask wearing, and you know it. Remember, a lie has to be intentional, not a change in position based on scientific knowledge. Are you so blinded by hate for liberals that you truly are trying to in someway equate the two? It's like listening to my 7 year old tell me I lied because we decided not to go to the park because it was raining. Come on, you're better than that!

Voice of Reason Dec 16, 2020 09:12 AM
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Another sign of peak hypocrisy Chem: It was okay that Fauci lied to protect us, but another person downplaying the severity so we don't freak out and cause more harm, OMG that's completely uncalled for. Side note, I have a really hard time believing Fauci's excuse for the flip flop, either way he lied. He could have just said save the N95 and real PPE for hospitals and use cloth/bandanas/paper instead. If masks worked, and he said not to wear them, he has as much blood on his hands and Trump. But hypocrisy washes Fauci's hands clean.

a-1608092646 Dec 15, 2020 08:24 PM
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8 PM - Then by your metric, you're done with listening to yourself. You have posted falsehoods about gun deaths vs automobile deaths and about climate science.

ChemicalSuperFreak Dec 15, 2020 08:00 PM
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Yes, PPE shortages was the true reason. However, Fauci and other experts said not to wear masks because they specifically would not prevent the spread of COVID. That was a bold faced lie, regardless if they did it to help first responders and health care providers maintain a adequate supply. I don't know about you, but once someone lies to me that's it---I'm done listening to them.

a-1608090860 Dec 15, 2020 07:54 PM
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Early this year? When there were shortages of PPE? Before the nation and world had agreed it was airborne? I dunno. I was locked up at home, since first week of March, because I can. Using the last ten medical paper-type masks I used when nursing family through home peritoneal dialysis, years ago, thank goodness.

ChemicalSuperFreak Dec 15, 2020 06:49 PM
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"science-based competent federal leadership"...like Fauci telling people not to wear masks?

a-1608083028 Dec 15, 2020 05:43 PM
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If everyone were following the guidelines and we had science-based competent federal leadership things would be quite different. Not just a much stronger economy, but a tiny fraction of the people killed or suffering severe illness and possible long-term complications.

GeneralTree Dec 15, 2020 12:01 PM
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The Retrumplicans have made it clear - they want everyone to have Covid because the My Pillow guy can save you.

sea dog Dec 15, 2020 11:45 AM
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Newsom and Pelosi have made it very clear - Lockdowns are for the masses, NOT their masters ...

sacjon Dec 15, 2020 10:49 AM
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On a good note.... looks like (some) youth sports will be allowed to engage in competition once again, even if we're in the purple tier, at the end of January!
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/outdoor-indoor-recreational-sports.aspx#

Finally, some good news! Kids need to be out there playing and competing. I've seen too many kids lose interest in active play and resort to video games all day. I can't wait to go watch some games! While I feel bad for the fall high school sports (football, now basketball, etc) likely not being able to play, they had a season last year. The spring sports (baseball, track) lost their seasons last year and the thought of losing another season, especially for varsity players, would have been awful.

sea dog Dec 15, 2020 10:40 AM
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It was announced today that HCQ, zinc and Z pack actually works.
I wonder how many people they killed saying it didn't work and censoring doctors that said it worked ??

a-1608194284 Dec 17, 2020 12:38 AM
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Just want to specify that my post came from a cite in Sea Dog's Dec. 15 post. :-)

a-1608182750 Dec 16, 2020 09:25 PM
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Sea Dog posting more disinformation from nutcase social media in the form of Rush Limburger:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/16/rush-limbaugh/no-american-medical-association-didnt-rescind-stat/

a-1608091398 Dec 15, 2020 08:03 PM
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I just read it. Doesn't say it works. It upholds rights of doctors to prescribe off-label use. I hope it works for you.

a-1608091119 Dec 15, 2020 07:58 PM
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All I can say is that I know for a fact that I too am a Vodka Pundit.

a-1608082685 Dec 15, 2020 05:38 PM
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An AMA resolution that doctors can prescribe a minimally harmful hair growth drug for off-label treatment of ingrown toenails does not mean that it has any effect on that problem. Drinking two cups of water daily may not be harmful, but that doesn't mean it will cure brain cancer (or ignorance). If your trusted Dr. Seuss prescribes it for you, good luck. For anyone wanting actual recent scientific info, you might check the 11/4/2020 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30390-8/fulltext

Voice of Reason Dec 15, 2020 05:04 PM
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Here is another one GT, the American Medical Association officially rescinding their statement to stop prescribing HCQ for covid. In the references it links to the several retracted studies saying HCQ showed no benefit. How many tens of thousands of lives could have been saved if it wasn't for TDS and the knee jerk reaction to oppose anything Trump says? TDS has done more damage and been more divisive to our society and county than Trump could have ever done. Now our response to covid-19 (including it's politicization which resulted beneficial drugs like HCQ not being widely used) is doing more damage than the actual virus. I feel like someone warned us about this but half the country decided not to listen.... TDS strikes again... (not defending Trump, but many here need a reality check as much as they like casting blame on others).

https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2020-10/nov20-handbook-addendum.pdf

a-1608080062 Dec 15, 2020 04:54 PM
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Announced by the usual social media experts. No fine print included.

Voice of Reason Dec 15, 2020 12:53 PM
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GT, there are limitations in every study, included those used for emergency approval of the vaccine, and that article doesn't even dispute the findings, just points out limitations. So even if this safe, cheap drug that has been in use for decades only provides a nominal benefit, why not use it? We're using masks walking around outside FCS!

GeneralTree Dec 15, 2020 12:12 PM
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And VOR of course doesn't mention any problems or limitations with the old study he cites. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/does-hydroxycholorquine-cut-covid-19-mortality-expert-urges-caution#Study-limitations

GeneralTree Dec 15, 2020 12:03 PM
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The HCQ has no benefit for Covid. The antibiotic used in the cocktail did. HCQ is still a joke.

Voice of Reason Dec 15, 2020 12:00 PM
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here is one from a while ago https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study Key difference between the studies that showed no effect is those gave it to patients on deaths door, not ASAP once admitted, or on a preventative basis. Let that sink in, even if it showed only the smallest benefit, shouldn't it have had widespread use? Especially if we're going to resort closing down hundreds of thousands of small businesses. This drug has been in use for over 50 years and continually taken prophylactically for malaria, with less side effects that any of the new vaccines. Aside from TDS preventing it's use, big pharma also didn't like it because it's cheap and generic, no money in if for them but BILLIONS associated with a new vaccine.

Voice of Reason Dec 15, 2020 11:44 AM
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I think I was called a loon, "anti-science", and a follower of quack doctors several times on this board for bringing up the HCQ cocktail. Politicians should have no say in medicine. How many hundreds of thousands of lives could have been saved, how many businesses didn't need to be shuttered, how many jobs didn't need to be lost, how much despair avoided, had people and politicians not banned and discourage prophylactic HCQ use solely because Orange Man bad...

a-1608061350 Dec 15, 2020 11:42 AM
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Seadog please give us a cite for this alleged announcement. All I can find is a "study" by some odd Hassidic Jesus fan medical doctor.

Lucky 777 Dec 15, 2020 10:04 AM
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Just an FYI: in Siberia they shut down all businesses for 2 months this spring and every worker was paid their normal wage by the Government until they were allowed to go back to work. An equitable arrangement. There is no tourism there, an the plague was halted.

Ahchooo Dec 16, 2020 07:53 PM
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Oscar got it from his mom, who did not follow the rules. We are dependent on others behaving properly, not just ourselves.

Ahchooo Dec 16, 2020 07:52 PM
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Herd immunity has always been the goal. But we want to get there via vaccines, not sickness and death.

Eggs Ackley Dec 16, 2020 04:14 PM
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That’s bunk science. No accounting for thanksgiving gatherings. Lol at the case rates and hospitalizations. Pretty straightforward stuff.

sacjon Dec 16, 2020 03:18 PM
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SAIL380 - the regional shutdown is only 3 weeks and we're only 1 week and a couple days into it. It's not 2 months, nor will it cure the virus. It's to avoid our hospitals from being overwhelmed. We had 207 new cases yesterday, so the threat of our hospital beds filling up is very real. LA has a 4 hour wait for ICU beds and Orange County has ZERO beds available according to a report yesterday. This is all very real.

Sail380 Dec 16, 2020 02:55 PM
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Is the plague really halted or just postponed? A two month shutdown doesn't make everyone immune. As soon as the workers start back and supplies are being shipped back and forth guess what happens?

SBLetsGetAlong Dec 16, 2020 08:46 AM
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How many people have gotten Covid while following the guidelines completely?
Ask Salud & Oscar and others that “always flowed social distancing & mask guidelines”.
So either the guidelines don’t work or out Leaders are lying about their compliance.

SBLetsGetAlong Dec 16, 2020 08:43 AM
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The New Yorker article written Dec 8.
“ In a chaotic and overwhelmed hospital in Siberia, a physician received the kind of indifferent medical care that he spent his life trying to overcome.”
“ hospitals accepting covid-19 patients in Tomsk were overflowing.”

Doesn’t sound like the “plague “ was halted.
Also look at places like New Zealand that closed the entire country.

In the end viruses have been around fir thousands of years. Now the CDC is talking herd immunity again. Showing that most people will get Covid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/the-life-and-covid-death-of-a-revered-siberian-doctor/amp

ChemicalSuperFreak Dec 15, 2020 04:05 PM
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SAC: Sorry to butt into this conversation, but I think I understand you. Not going down quickly is your point, and the shutdown has not had time to work its magic. Is that right? So will you feel the same way come New Year's, when the numbers keep going up? At what point do you think the shutdown will have clearly failed to achieve it's goal? Most people being honest know that this rise in cases is from people hanging out together on their private property. Even Ansorg, et al. (including his shiny new award) state that the majority of documented and confirmed transmissions are from community close contact (i.e., family and friends).

sacjon Dec 15, 2020 03:14 PM
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420722 - Oh, looks like a I missed a "not" in there. Let me try again. The lack of a significant decrease over the past week since the regional shutdown started is not proof (as you say it "OBVIOUSLY" is) that the non-essential businesses were not the cause of the recent spike. Even simpler - you say "Everything “inessential” has been closed for over two weeks now and the cases are not going down not even a little so OBVIOUSLY they weren’t the cause of the spread" and I say "nope, that is not obvious at all." You can't logically determine the non-essential businesses had no part in the spread due to the numbers not going down more quickly even with them closed. Make sense?

420722 Dec 15, 2020 02:59 PM
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SAC-“Just because the numbers aren't going down since the regional shutdown does not in any way mean it's "obvious" that non-essential businesses were the source of the spread”, ummm...dude, I’m trying to be nice but do you even hear yourself?

sacjon Dec 15, 2020 02:08 PM
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420722 - Just because the numbers aren't going down since the regional shutdown does not in any way mean it's "obvious" that non-essential businesses were the source of the spread. That's really a simple view of things. When faced with a rising spike in numbers, we had to do what we could to slow it down, that means closing non-essential businesses. No one has this perfect, we're just trying to do what we can to slow it. I'm getting tired of explaining these incredibly simple concepts. If people are losing money, there's only one entity to blame - the government that refuses to provide help.

And seriously, what do you think is driving Newsom's decisions? What's his motive for shutting things down? I would love to hear why you think Newsom is shutting us down "for no reason."

Further, please tell me you are aware that Newsom doesn't sit and make unilateral decisions. You know that, right? He has a team of scientists, doctors, other policy advisors that, wait for it..... ADVISE him. You're too intelligent to keep regurgitating the simpleton version of things.

ChemicalSuperFreak Dec 15, 2020 02:00 PM
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VOR: Disclaimer, I do wear a surgical mask everywhere but home, car, and walking outside alone. I've already posted plenty of peer-reviewed articles on surgical, N95, and homemade/cloth masks (see references below). Research shows that surgical/N95 masks are only between 90 to 95% effective, for influenza. COVID is reported to be much more contagious. It should come as no surprise then that our healthcare workers, who wear industry standard PPE, are continuing to become infected. Homemade/cloth masks, which most people wear, are much less effective but still help a lot. I have no issues with masks, but they are not the impermeable barrier many suggest they are, particularly when worn without suitable eye protection.
N95 vs surgical masks: Radonovich, JAMA, 2019 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31479137)
Homemade masks: Davies, Disaster Med Public Health Prep., 2013 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24229526/)

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