More Active COVID-19 Cases in County Main Jail

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​​Update by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
January 18, 2022

The Sheriff’s Office Main Jail has identified 3 additional COVID cases related to the outbreak that began on Wednesday, December 8, 2021. Since our update on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 45 inmates have recovered.  There has been a total of 221 cases in this outbreak that includes 26 active cases, 191 recovered, and 4 released.

All COVID positive inmates are continuously monitored by custody staff and our Wellpath partners. There are no inmates currently hospitalized because of this outbreak. 42 inmates have reported being symptomatic, 178 are asymptomatic, and 1 declined to answer.


​​Update by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
January 13, 2022

The Sheriff’s Office Main Jail has identified 10 additional COVID cases related to the outbreak that began on Wednesday, December 8, 2021. Since our update from Monday, 10 inmates have recovered.  There has been a total of 218 cases in this outbreak that include 68 active cases, 146 recovered, and 4 released.

 All COVID positive inmates are continuously monitored by custody staff and our Wellpath partners. One inmate is currently admitted in an area hospital for advanced care. 39 inmates have reported being symptomatic, 178 are asymptomatic and 1 declined to answer.

As we identify COVID-19 positive inmates, they are moved into an area of the facility that has negative pressure cells. In the case of an outbreak, only those with active symptoms are moved. The remainder are placed together in small groups (cohorts) and isolated from other inmates. We also separate those who were exposed but have not tested positive. Inmates with severe symptoms or who have underlying health conditions are transported to a hospital for evaluation and treatment.

The Sheriff’s Office has worked on a continual basis with our Wellpath and Public Health partners to address this outbreak as well as to establish and constantly re-evaluate plans for health safety within the Main Jail. At the request of Santa Barbara County Public Health, the California Department of Public Health has responded to assist with testing at the Main Jail and has provided a team of medical professionals who will remain in the facility for the duration of this outbreak.

Inmates are tested when they arrive in our custody and are housed separately from the general population during the initial 10 days of their stay. They are tested again before they are moved out of the quarantine area into other areas of the facility. During their stay, inmates are tested whenever they exhibit symptoms and whenever they might have been exposed to someone who has tested positive. The Sheriff’s Office continues to offer all three of the COVID-19 vaccines to all inmates in our care and recently implemented an incentive program where funding from the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) is used to award newly vaccinated inmates with $20 added to their commissary fund for full vaccination or $10 for a booster. This program resulted in 148 inmate vaccinations in the span of a two days and was accomplished thanks to the teamwork and partnership of the Santa Barbara County Public Health Department and California Department of Public Health. Additionally, Wellpath has administered over 630 vaccinations at the Main Jail since the beginning of the pandemic.


​​Update by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
January 11, 2022

The Sheriff’s Office Main Jail has identified 26 additional COVID cases related to the outbreak that began on Wednesday, December 8, 2021. Since our press release last week, 54 inmates have recovered. There has been a total of 208 cases in this outbreak that include 68 active cases, 136 recovered, and 4 released.

All COVID positive inmates are continuously monitored by custody staff and our Wellpath partners. One inmate has been transported to an area hospital for advanced care. 38 inmates have reported being symptomatic, 169 are asymptomatic and 1 declined to answer.

As we identify COVID-19 positive inmates, they are moved into an area of the facility that has negative pressure cells. In the case of an outbreak, only those with active symptoms are moved. The remainder are placed together in small groups (cohorts) and isolated from other inmates. We also separate those who were exposed but have not tested positive. Inmates with severe symptoms or who have underlying health conditions are transported to a hospital for evaluation and treatment.

The Sheriff’s Office has worked on a continual basis with our Wellpath and Public Health partners to address this outbreak as well as to establish and constantly re-evaluate plans for health safety within the Main Jail. At the request of Santa Barbara County Public Health, the California Department of Public Health has responded to assist with testing at the Main Jail and has provided a team of medical professionals who will remain in the facility for the duration of this outbreak.

Inmates are tested when they arrive in our custody and are housed separately from the general population during the initial 10 days of their stay. They are tested again before they are moved out of the quarantine area into other areas of the facility. During their stay, inmates are tested whenever they exhibit symptoms and whenever they might have been exposed to someone who has tested positive. The Sheriff’s Office continues to offer all three of the COVID-19 vaccines to all inmates in our care and recently implemented an incentive program where funding from the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) is used to award newly vaccinated inmates with $20 added to their commissary fund for full vaccination or $10 for a booster. This program resulted in 148 inmate vaccinations in the span of a two days and was accomplished thanks to the teamwork and partnership of the Santa Barbara County Public Health Department and California Department of Public Health. Additionally, Wellpath has administered over 630 vaccinations at the Main Jail since the beginning of the pandemic.


​​Update by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
January 6, 2022

The Sheriff’s Office Main Jail has identified 13 additional COVID cases related to the outbreak that began on Wednesday, December 8, 2021. Since our press release yesterday, there have been no additional inmates who have recovered or been release. There has been a total of 182 cases in this outbreak that include 96 active cases, 82 recovered, and 4 released.

All COVID positive inmates are continuously monitored by custody staff and our Wellpath partners. None of the COVID positive inmates in this outbreak have required hospitalization, 30 inmates have reported being symptomatic, 151 are asymptomatic and 1 declined to answer.

As we identify COVID-19 positive inmates, they are moved into an area of the facility that has negative pressure cells. In the case of an outbreak, only those with active symptoms are moved. The remainder are placed together in small groups (cohorts) and isolated from other inmates. We also separate those who were exposed but have not tested positive. Inmates with severe symptoms or who have underlying health conditions are transported to a hospital for evaluation and treatment, although none of the inmates in this outbreak have necessitated hospital transport.

The Sheriff’s Office has worked on a continual basis with our Wellpath and Public Health partners to address this outbreak as well as to establish and constantly re-evaluate plans for health safety within the Main Jail. At the request of Santa Barbara County Public Health, the California Department of Public Health has responded to assist with testing at the Main Jail and has provided a team of medical professionals who will remain in the facility for the duration of this outbreak.

Inmates are tested when they arrive in our custody and are housed separately from the general population during the initial 10 days of their stay. They are tested again before they are moved out of the quarantine area into other areas of the facility. During their stay, inmates are tested whenever they exhibit symptoms and whenever they might have been exposed to someone who has tested positive. The Sheriff’s Office continues to offer all three of the COVID-19 vaccines to all inmates in our care and recently implemented an incentive program where funding from the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) is used to award newly vaccinated inmates with $20 added to their commissary fund for full vaccination or $10 for a booster. This program resulted in 148 inmate vaccinations in the span of a two days and was accomplished thanks to the teamwork and partnership of the Santa Barbara County Public Health Department and California Department of Public Health. Additionally, Wellpath has administered over 630 vaccinations at the Main Jail since the beginning of the pandemic.


Update by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
January 4, 2022

The Sheriff’s Office Main Jail has identified 50 additional COVID cases related to the outbreak that began on Wednesday, December 8, 2021. Since our last press release, 54 of the COVID positive inmates have recovered and there are 83 active cases remaining. There has been a total of 169 cases in this outbreak that include 83 active cases, 82 recovered, and 4 released.

All COVID positive inmates are continuously monitored by custody staff and our Wellpath partners. None of the COVID positive inmates in this outbreak have required hospitalization, 30 inmates have reported being symptomatic, 138 are asymptomatic and 1 declined to answer.

As we identify COVID-19 positive inmates, they are moved into an area of the facility that has negative pressure cells. In the case of an outbreak, only those with active symptoms are moved. The remainder are placed together in small groups (cohorts) and isolated from other inmates. We also separate those who were exposed but have not tested positive. Inmates with severe symptoms or who have underlying health conditions are transported to a hospital for evaluation and treatment, although none of the inmates in this outbreak have necessitated hospital transport.

The Sheriff’s Office has worked on a continual basis with our Wellpath and Public Health partners to address this outbreak as well as to establish and constantly re-evaluate plans for health safety within the Main Jail. At the request of Santa Barbara County Public Health, the California Department of Public Health has responded to assist with testing at the Main Jail and has provided a team of medical professionals who will remain in the facility for the duration of this outbreak.

Inmates are tested when they arrive in our custody and are housed separately from the general population during the initial 10 days of their stay. They are tested again before they are moved out of the quarantine area into other areas of the facility. During their stay, inmates are tested whenever they exhibit symptoms and whenever they might have been exposed to someone who has tested positive. The Sheriff’s Office continues to offer all three of the COVID-19 vaccines to all inmates in our care and recently implemented an incentive program where funding from the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) is used to award newly vaccinated inmates with $20 added to their commissary fund for full vaccination or $10 for a booster. This program resulted in 148 inmate vaccinations in the span of a two days and was accomplished thanks to the teamwork and partnership of the Santa Barbara County Public Health Department and California Department of Public Health. Additionally, Wellpath has administered over 630 vaccinations at the Main Jail since the beginning of the pandemic.


Update by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
December 28, 2021

Custody staff at the Main Jail have continued with follow-up testing for the outbreak that began Thursday, December 9, 2021.

Since our last press release on Thursday, December 23, 2021, we have identified an additional 38 COVID positive inmates, 28 inmates have recovered, and 4 inmates have been released from custody. This brings the total number of COVID positive inmates in this outbreak to 119 with 87 active cases.

All COVID positive inmates are continuously monitored by custody staff and our Wellpath partners. Only 22 of the inmates are symptomatic and none of them have required hospitalization. Of the remaining 97 inmates, 96 are asymptomatic, and 1 refused to disclose if they were experiencing COVID symptoms. We will continue to provide updated information on the status of this outbreak as it becomes available.


Update by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
December 23, 2021

Custody staff at the Main Jail have continued with follow-up testing for the outbreak that began Thursday, December 9, 2021. Since our last press release on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, we have identified an additional 22 COVID positive inmates, and 5 inmates have recovered.

This brings the total number of COVID positive inmates in this outbreak to 81 with 76 active cases.

All COVID positive inmates are continuously monitored by custody staff and our Wellpath partners. None of the COVID positive inmates in this outbreak have required hospitalization and 72 of them are asymptomatic. We will continue to provide updated information on the status of this outbreak as it becomes available.


Update by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
December 21, 2021

Custody staff at the Main Jail have continued with follow-up testing for the outbreak that began Thursday, December 9, 2021. Since our last press release on Friday, December 17, 2021, we have identified an additional 35 COVID positive inmates, and 5 inmates have recovered.

This brings the total number of COVID positive inmates in this outbreak to 59 with 54 active cases.

All COVID positive inmates are continuously monitored by custody staff and our Wellpath partners. None of the COVID positive inmates in this outbreak have required hospitalization and 50 of them are asymptomatic. We will continue to provide update information on the status of this outbreak as it becomes available.


Update by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
December 17, 2021

The Sheriff’s Office has identified four additional COVID positive inmates associated with the outbreak that began Thursday, December 9, 2021 in the Main Jail. This brings the total number of COVID positive inmates in this outbreak to 24.

All COVID positive inmates are continuously monitored by custody staff and our Wellpath partners. None of the COVID positive inmates in this outbreak have required hospitalization. We will continue to provide update information on the status of this outbreak as it becomes available.


Update by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
December 14, 2021

Custody staff at the Main Jail have continued with follow-up testing for the outbreak that began Thursday, December 9, 2021. As a result of this ongoing testing, three additional inmates have been found to be COVID positive. This brings the total number of COVID positive inmates in this outbreak to 20.

All COVID positive inmates are continuously monitored by custody staff and our Wellpath partners. None of the COVID positive inmates in this outbreak have required hospitalization. We will continue to provide update information on the status of this outbreak as it becomes available.


Update by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
December 13, 2021

Follow-up testing for the outbreak that began last week has detected 12 additional COVID positive inmates. This outbreak was originally reported as beginning on Wednesday, December 8, 2021, but it was actually in the early morning hours of Thursday, December 9, 2021. This brings the total number of COVID positive inmates in this outbreak to 17. The COVID positive inmates are being constantly monitored by custody staff and our Wellpath partners. None of the COVID positive inmates in this outbreak have required hospitalization.


Source: Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office
December 9, 2021

Sheriff’s Office Custody staff have identified a COVID outbreak in the Main Jail.

On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, Custody staff identified a COVID positive inmate in the Male Basement Dormitory. This area of the jail is a dormitory type housing area with bunks where 51 inmates, including the COVID positive inmate, were being housed.

The initial COVID positive inmate has been re-housed and inmates who were exposed to him are currently being tracked and tested. Four additional COVID positive inmates have been identified from that housing area. Prior to testing positive, the initially detected inmate in this outbreak was recently transported to an in-person court appearance, where he had contact with other inmates from various parts of the facility during those court appearances.

Custody staff are working with our Wellpath healthcare partners in efforts to test much of the inmate population, as well as monitoring and caring for the five COVID positive inmates that have been identified. We are also coordinating with the Santa Barbara Court and the Public Defender’s Office to adjust court appearances to minimize the spread of the virus through the movement of inmates.

All staff, both professional and sworn, who work in positions that have direct inmate contact are regularly tested and are required to wear an N95 mask while working. The Sheriff’s Office will provide regular updates on the status of this outbreak.

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Luvaduck Dec 10, 2021 07:00 AM
More Active COVID-19 Cases in County Main Jail

Everyone who deals with this population in any way while they are restrained must be required to vax, offier to bus driver to kitchen. Most are guilty of something most likely, but they are being held in a communal situation and have no choice about it. Increased risk of contracting a potential fatal disease or becoming very sick with a disease that may affected them for a lifetime is wrong.

Chip of SB Dec 10, 2021 09:50 AM
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It’s already hard to find people to work in the jail. If they decided to fire a substantial portion of the staff for refusing to get the vaccine it would be a disaster. In addition, firing staff for refusing to get vaccinated could have legal repercussions. Lawsuits related to vaccine mandates are flying, and the courts seem to be steadily chipping away at the mandates. In addition, the senate just passed a bipartisan measure to eliminate Biden’s vaccine mandates at the federal level. Support for mandates is waning on both sides of the aisle. Finally, Fauci said the definition of fully vaccinated will be updated to include a booster shot, it’s just a matter of when that happens not if. Only about 25% of those who are considered fully vaccinated would retain that status if this change was made today. If you put all that together, trying to implement a vax requirement would cause severe staffing shortages, massive legal expenses and possibly an unfavorable court ruling, and when it was all said and done the definition of “fully vaccinated” would change to render a substantial portion of the staff “unvaccinated” once again. Back to square one.

ZeroHawk Dec 10, 2021 04:43 PM
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Chip, allowing those that swore to "protect and serve" to not get vaxed or wear masks is a disaster and is frankly unconstitutional for those incarcerated. If the deputies don't want to uphold what they swore an oath to, they should be removed from the postion. Just like any other job. No way around that fact.

a-1639188081 Dec 10, 2021 06:01 PM
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5:12 - Just maybe it's the fact that the unvaccinated keepers are both more likely to get infected and then more likely to spread infection than those who are vaccinated, posing an increased threat to even people who are vaccinated.

a-1639195132 Dec 10, 2021 07:58 PM
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I believe all inmates should ALSO be mandated to be vaccinated.

Can you imagine having to spend a night (or more) in jail and getting Covid-19?! What a horror. Not everyone in the jail stays there. They are formally presumed innocent.
Appalling that deputies would not be vaccinated.

To me, it would be like my caregiver or doctor not being vaccinated. Someone I have to see. I just hope I'd be able to avoid contact with anyone not vaccinated.
Yeah, so you'll say inmates should've avoided it. Life doesn't work like that. The incarcerated, who are legally presumed innocent, should not have to take on this additional risk.

dukemunson Dec 10, 2021 08:28 PM
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Except it’s not a disaster… it’s a personal choice. Make yours and move along… stop being obsessed with what someone else does in this regard… as it truly doesn’t matter. We’re not reaching herd immunity… so all your accomplishing with your line of thinking is making life slightly more uncomfortable and annoying for everyone.

a-1639696567 Dec 16, 2021 03:16 PM
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A lot of excuses Chip. Many jurisdictions in L.A. such as fire and sheriff and schools are firing folks who refuse to vax. What about...legal challenges? What about .. future vax requirements ? What about ... changes in rules? What about sheriff's staff, deputized to serve the people, doing their duty and getting vaccinated in order to protect those who have no place to hide (and are resumed innocent until proven guilty) from a deadly virus? Enough excuses Chip, none hold water.

a-1639185802 Dec 10, 2021 05:23 PM
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It's the pool of unvaccinated people worldwide that are now driving the pandemic, stretching it out, breeding variants, and requiring more boosters and nonpharmaceutical interventions.

EastBeach Dec 10, 2021 05:47 PM
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I'm glad Edhat deleted that comment about how many of those currently known to be infected with the omicron variant were vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. Drawing any kinds of conclusions for the US population at this stage is extremely premature, irresponsible, and effectively disinformation. Why? There are only 43 known cases at the moment - a super tiny sample size.

MarcelK Dec 10, 2021 10:11 PM
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Also, as I repeatedly noted in response to comments from that other anti-vax disinformationist, CSF, the commenter commits a base rate fallacy. As the % of the population that is vaccinated goes up, the % of cases among the vaccinated goes up ... if 100% of the population were vaccinated, then 100% of the cases would be vaccinated people. So you can't draw conclusions from the v:uv ratio alone -- not if you're honest (which of course these people aren't). You certainly can't conclude "vaccine bad", yet they do just that, over and over again. On the contrary, that there has only been 1 Omicron hospitalization may well be in part due to the high vaccination rate (but there certainly could be other factors, like Omicron possibly being less deadly).

yin yang Dec 10, 2021 08:04 PM
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A reasonable discussion, that addresses both sides of how to address the pandemic, from David Leonhardt of the NY Times.
I'll try to link to it, but this is from "The Morning," a daily newsletter. I was impressed by its even-handedness.

"Maximizing health
There are few easy solutions here because trade-offs are unavoidable.

Although Covid presents relatively few risks to children and vaccinated adults under 50, it presents more to older people and some with specific immunodeficiencies. The current Covid surge has led to a modest rise in hospitalizations and deaths among the vaccinated and a much sharper rise among the unvaccinated. This surge justifies an increase in masking, testing and some other measures.

But it’s worth remembering that the point of those measures is to maximize people’s health and well-being. And maximizing health and well-being is not the same thing as minimizing Covid.

If that sounds strange, remember that society would cease to function if it tried to minimize every medical risk. Schools and offices don’t close each winter because of the flu. Families travel in cars even though crashes harm vastly more children than Covid does. People jog, play sports and ride bicycles even though thousands end up in emergency rooms.

The economic and social costs of our Covid precautions are real. In some cases, those precautions are clearly worth it — and in other cases they’re not. Figuring out how to control the virus while addressing the other Covid-induced crises is one of the great challenges of the pandemic’s next phase."

I wanted to show that what some consider a liberal source takes into consideration the concerns and objections that we ALL have. We ALL wish for the health, in many forms, of the nation.

dukemunson Dec 14, 2021 12:50 PM
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Refute it then...and give me a reason why we're going to keep kids masked in school for 2022. The science doesn't back that...lazy/easy one size fits all rule does though...

a-1639528350 Dec 14, 2021 04:32 PM
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Duke is a large volume of comments with no content. VOR is a volume of comments with false content. Not much of a difference as far as useful content, but a detectable difference.

a-1639529144 Dec 14, 2021 04:45 PM
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Not much point in providing sources anymore Duke. If it’s contrary to the narrative the sheep won’t read it and will discredit the organization that published it, and the people who wrote it, no matter their qualifications far exceed those here.

a-1639530753 Dec 14, 2021 05:12 PM
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Sources discredit themselves when the publish drivel to serve a false narrative. Those without any critical thinking skills happily swallow the drivel that confirms their bias, and feel some strange urge to foist it on others, despite the fact that it is potentially harmful. That's exactly what the usual band of COVIDIOTS here does.

a-1639729767 Dec 17, 2021 12:29 AM
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No surprise their comments are essentially identical. They are part of the butt snorkeling group that parrots right-wing social media almost exclusively - anti vax, anti health mandates, anti compassion, anti gun control, anti education, anti government. Basically, they're anti-civilization.

dukemunson Dec 14, 2021 12:54 PM
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What does vaccinated even mean at this point? Sure Fauci just said that he thinks two doses should still be considered "vaccinated"...how long till that changes? All things considered, vaccinated at this point probably means you have been boostered within 2-3 months...

GeneralTree Dec 15, 2021 04:32 PM
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FACT CHECK. Fauci did NOT say COVID Vaccines Are ‘Making People Worse’

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-covid-vaccine-worse/

Please don't be part of the infodemic.

a-1639692924 Dec 16, 2021 02:15 PM
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7:04 - Totally false misinformation. Tell those 211,000 participants in the latest study they don't exist!

https://www.vox.com/22824183/omicron-variant-covid-19-vaccine-south-africa-pfizer-vaccine

a-1639693971 Dec 16, 2021 02:32 PM
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"The result shows that vaccinated individuals who received two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine had 33% protection against infection, relative to the unvaccinated, in the first weeks of South Africa’s Omicron-driven fourth wave. This represents a significant drop from the 80% protection against infection afforded during the earlier period, probably on the basis of lower antibody susceptibility, following the extensive spike protein mutations in the Omicron variant."

The mRNA vaccines were great to get something out quickly, but with a constantly evolving virus better vaccines that target more portions of the virus will be needed to control covid going foward.

a-1639708211 Dec 16, 2021 06:30 PM
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Then tell me, with the NFL, NBA , NHL nearly fully vaxxed and are some of the healthiest people in the world, with Cornell having strict covid requirements, masks and fully vaccinated, and they are all still dealing with significant covid outbreaks, what makes you think the pandemic will be over if everyone just wore masks and got vaccinated? Didn’t work for professional sports, didn’t work for Cornell.

sacjon Dec 16, 2021 06:55 PM
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VOICE at 6:30 - how much worse do you think it would be if we did nothing? It's absolutely mind boggling that this concept hasn't sunk in with your or your kind yet. Masks and vax aren't 100% effective, no one has ever said that. The vax is indisputably effective at decreasing the number of infections and reducing the severity of symptoms and deaths. Same with renewable energy and everything else you demand perfection before implementation from. We DO NOT HAVE TIME to wait for a full on cure. We have to fight with what we have, even if it's not perfect.

FACT: unvaxxed and unmasked people are dying at a higher rate than masked and vaxed people. This is cold hard FACT. It means ONE THING: The masks and vax are helping.

a-1639710248 Dec 16, 2021 07:04 PM
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Where do I say do nothing? Where did I say vaccines don’t help? Why do you always go to the extremes? You keep thinking I’m anti vax, yet I’m vaccinated myself, I’m just very anti vax mandate, especially when we now know, without a doubt, that even in fully vaccinated populations there will still be outbreaks. You and others need to let go of zero covid. Everyone should make their own decision and not be forced, you’ll even end up vaccinating more people that way. Good night.

sacjon Dec 16, 2021 07:16 PM
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VOICE - got you. Your entire comment bemoans and complains about the fact that despite masks and vax, there are still outbreaks (and no, not significant either). I asked IF we did nothing, not that you said we should do nothing. Read a little more attentively.

So, once again since you failed the first time, what do you suggest? Don't "Good night" me. You haven't earned it yet.

sacjon Dec 16, 2021 07:18 PM
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VOICE - "You and others need to let go of zero covid." I'm about to put my head through the wall I'm banging it against with you here....... I never said we are going to cure covid with the mandates and restrictions, only THAT. IT. HELPS. BETTER. THAN. DOING. NOTHING. Good lord, I'm really worried about you.

MarcelK Dec 16, 2021 07:54 PM
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"how much worse do you think it would be if we did nothing?" I recently saw an estimate that there would have been more than 1 million additional deaths in the U.S. without the vaccine. A common response from people like VOD and DM is "why do you care what others do if you're vaccinated and wear a mask?" ... how to say you're a sociopath without saying you're a sociopath.

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