Mission Reflections

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Mission Reflections
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By Joe DeLise

Socializing at the Mission 1800's style.

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a-1668986778 Nov 20, 2022 03:26 PM
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Best one yet, Joe! Thanks for sharing. I love the natural looking colors. You are getting good.

Cadillackid Nov 20, 2022 11:01 PM
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That fellow in the pic looks a lot like me i winder if that’s my great grandfather

a-1669045939 Nov 21, 2022 07:52 AM
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The picture is nice.

And I notice the complete lack of trees in the background.

Luvaduck Nov 21, 2022 08:05 AM
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If there were aerial shots from the 1850's of this area as we are blessed with by Wiley now, it would be very interesting to compare the changes as they occurred over the first 100 years or so.

a-1669047983 Nov 21, 2022 08:26 AM
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Not quite the 1850s, but UCSB maintains a fantastic aerial imagery library that goes back to the very early 1900s. Most of it is free. https://www.library.ucsb.edu/geospatial/aerial-photography

Gimli Nov 21, 2022 08:57 AM
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I will keep saying this when edhat puts up these beautiful pictures of Old SB, that I sure wish SB was still like that here in the 21st century. I wonder if one was able to tote shootin' irons back then here in SB, I myself would have tote four .45 Army Colt Revolvers. Two shoulder strap holsters and two holsters around my waist. Be like Doc Holiday in the film 'Tombstone' of SB. "I'm your huckleberry."

toot Nov 21, 2022 10:51 AM
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Well, gol-lee, Jethro, yer sher lettin' us'n knowed what a ree-uhl cabby-yerro you is wit' yer six-shooters. Ah sures would'n wanna meet ups wit you any time soon. Nossir, you'ms a ree-uhl man.

ChillinGrillin Nov 21, 2022 12:38 PM
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Gimli: What a brilliant idea, we should go back to the good ole' days of bandidos and vigilante justice. Whenever I walk down State St., I also lament the lack of gun fights, syphilis, prostitution, and lynch mobs. But on your point of having macho lawmen as the protagonists, I need to disagree given recent events. Apparently 2 gay men are better at subduing an active shooter than 350+ Texas cops.

sacjon Nov 21, 2022 01:45 PM
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CHILLING - don't forget, 2 UNARMED men stopped the shooting. Yet again, proof that armed citizens aren't necessary to stop mass shootings. Yeah, yeah off topic but worth noting!

Voice of Reason Nov 21, 2022 02:33 PM
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You're a walking contradiction Sac. 2 unarmed men, one time, were able to stop the mass shootings so we don't need guns to stop mass shootings.... So if a someone survived a car crash without a seatbelt, we don't need seatbelts? What about the times a good guy with a gun STOPS something bad from happening, just going to ignore all those because that one time two unarmed guys were able stop something?

ChillinGrillin Nov 21, 2022 03:04 PM
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VoR: The "good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns" is an oversimplified and unrealistic myth, to the point of being childish. There was a shooting in Texas of several police officers in a crowded area, I forget which city and when (too many shootings by well-regulated militia members to remember). The responding officers said they took longer to find the shooter because a bunch of wannabe Doc Hollidays were waving around their guns. Also, almost every "bad guy" with a gun believes they are the good ones! So that narrative is garbage. Plus, by that logic since the US has the most law-abiding citizens with access to firearms out of all developed countries, wouldn't it be the safest developed country? I think the main takeaway from this is that we need more gay bars to protect people. 2 unarmed gay clubbers over 350 heavily armed and armored hick cops is a pretty good record.

sacjon Nov 21, 2022 03:13 PM
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Also, "2 unarmed men, one time, were able to stop the mass shootings so we don't need guns to stop mass shootings" - You're wrong. It wasn't just "one time," this has happened plenty of times. See links below to prove yourself once again, wrong.

"what about...." - nope, not doing that.

But yeah, the fact that unarmed people were (ONCE AGAIN) able to stop a mass shooting from becoming worse, IS proof that guns aren't always needed to stop guns. Not saying good guys with guns (like Uvalde PD) aren't always there to stop them (oops....), but.... oh never mind. You'd say the sky was red if God himself plus every single scientist on Earth at the same time explained to you that the sky is blue....

Some instances where unarmed citizens stopping mass shootings from getting worse:

- Rigby, Idaho 2021 - https://abcnews.go.com/US/abc-news-exclusive-teacher-hugged-school-shooter-disarming/story?id=77774494

- Gaslamp Quarter, San Diego 2021 - https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/at-least-one-person-killed-several-more-injured-in-downtown-san-diego-shooting

Voice of Reason Nov 21, 2022 03:26 PM
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You know what also has happened "plenty of times" - responsible gun owners using their legally possessed firearm in a legally manner to prevent crimes from occurring against them or others. Lives were saved "plenty of times" by responsible gun owners.

Voice of Reason Nov 21, 2022 03:27 PM
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But let's talk about gun laws preventing things like this from happening. The Colorado shooter was arrested last year for threating his mom with a bomb, a BOMB! Yet he was able to pass a background check because his charges were dropped. CO is also a red flag law state. Rather than enacting NEW laws maybe we should try enforcing our CURRENT laws.

bicyclist Nov 21, 2022 03:49 PM
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Voice - quit picking on CO that's too easy of a target...

sacjon Nov 21, 2022 03:59 PM
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VOICE - "Lives were saved "plenty of times" by responsible gun owners." I never said they weren't. Stop whatabouting.

ChillinGrillin Nov 21, 2022 04:57 PM
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All this hot air is always spent on what "responsible gun owners" could hypothetically do. Then make them responsible! Make psychological requirements, safety courses, and a more extensive licensing and background check policy, like almost every other developed country has. The cosplaying cowboys will never vote for that, because at the heart of the issue isn't freedom or the constitution or blablabla. It's money from gun sales. Our political system is driven by money, and gun sales have been judged by about 50% of politicians to be more important than human lives.

ChillinGrillin Nov 21, 2022 04:59 PM
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Then they deflect to mental health sometimes, depending on the shooting of the week. Then pass some mental health bill! They don't, because they're hot air lying trash.

a-1669079054 Nov 21, 2022 05:04 PM
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If you make your decisions based on actual data, rather than tribal opinions, you would know that decades of studies show that possessing a firearm endangers you and your family and acquaintances more than if no firearms were present, and the hero with a gun scenario is overwhelmingly mythical.

yin yang Nov 21, 2022 07:11 PM
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BTW, the man who took down the shooter is a vet named Richard M. Fierro, who was there with his wife and daughter whose boyfriend was among the murdered. A hero indeed. He beat the crap out of the shooter with the pistol the shooter pulled after dropping the rifle when Fierro tackled him.

a-1669195386 Nov 23, 2022 01:23 AM
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CO also has sheriffs who publicly declared they would not enforce red flag laws...

However, nearly half of Colorado's counties have responded to the bill, passed in the new Democrat-controlled statehouse, by declaring themselves "Second Amendment sanctuaries."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/several-colorado-sheriffs-say-they-wont-enforce-red-flag-gun-law-60-minutes-2019-11-15/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/colorado-sheriffs-who-wont-enforce-anti-gun-red-flag-law-should-resign-state-ag-says
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Oh, I guess they're changing their minds:

https://khn.org/news/article/red-flag-law-colorado-sheriffs/

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/27/health/red-flag-laws-colorado/index.html

sacjon Nov 21, 2022 11:16 AM
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This rings home for me, as when I was a teen, that fountain was a favorite meet up spot where I'd meet friends and the occasional "interest."

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