Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

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Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended
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Source: MTD Santa Barbara

Due to a court ruling on Monday, April 18, 2022, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) January 29, 2021 order requiring masks on public transportation and at public transportation hubs is no longer in effect.

While not required, MTD still highly recommends wearing a mask while riding the bus, especially if unvaccinated. The health and safety of our employees and riders remain a top priority. MTD employees are still subject to daily health screenings, and buses are cleaned and sanitized daily.

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Gimli Apr 20, 2022 10:00 AM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

I ride the MTD when I need too, and I am fully vaccinated. The question for me is should I keep wearing the mask or not? I will decide that the next time when I need take the bus where I need to go and return home. Freedom of choice.

dukemunson Apr 20, 2022 09:18 AM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

With omicron, Unless you are wearing a k95 it’s a charade… so what possible reason is there to continue to mandate that charade? Wear it if you want/need to…but the judge was absolutely right to end this never ending mandate.

Luvaduck Apr 20, 2022 08:43 AM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

Our last president was massively unqualified for the job. He didn't have or seek to acquire the necessary information and background to adjudicate and make informed choices at that level. His appointee and policy decisions could only be based on his personal emotions and how he thought they would benefit him personally and are therefore questionable. That's the way most people run their lives, but at a national level it is a recipe for disaster. The ability to see the big picture, implications and effects on the future and to put aside ones' own wishes and prejudices is key to executing the best possible judgment & leadership. The extent to which that fails undermines the welfare of everyone.

dukemunson Apr 21, 2022 12:59 AM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

I obviously obviously and certainly didn’t bite for trump… weird and odd that you assume anyone that criticises Biden is a trump fan. Kind of indicative of partisan madness actually. Trump was a disaster. We all know that… unfortunately we’re all seeing that Biden is sad well…

dukemunson Apr 19, 2022 05:21 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

Look, you already won. It’s (mid) April of 2022 and we’re just now dropping the mask mandate! You got everything you wanted! You can keep masking and getting boosted forever. Seriously, at this point, with omicron, what is the value in the person next to you on the plane loosely wearing a cloth mask?

dukemunson Apr 21, 2022 12:51 AM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

Gt - kindergartens were being forced to mask up daily up until 3 weeks ago… so what are you talking about ???

And… no … I’ve never supported a coup. The far left and right have been completely wrong. I support logic and reason…crazy that both the far right and left call that “treason”.

Basicinfo805 Apr 19, 2022 03:26 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

Uh oh, it’s omicron 2.0 and it’s “really ramping up locally”! Plus a “nasty flu”? Crap, we’re all in for it…back to constant masking you say? Maybe staying at home and all kids out of school again and doing only zoom because there’s “something” new out there? Hey while we’re at it let’s see if the government can toss us another trillion dollar bailout relief package (hello, that’s your tax dollars!) so even fewer people will want to work. Why not?

dukemunson Apr 19, 2022 02:00 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

It truly truly TRULY is about time. There are a few holdouts (one of my kids indoor sport is still making you mask) but we are almost there! And again, you can keep masking (and keep your 8 year old) masking forever if you want...but it's no longer logical in any capacity to continue mandating it in 99.9% of venues/situations.

GeneralTree Apr 19, 2022 07:53 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

The highest rate of Fentanyl deaths are in red states. The highest rate of comorbidities are in red states. The highest rate of hate crimes are in red states. The highest rate of gun related deaths are in red states. The highest murder rates are in red states. The highest rate of those seeking government assistance are in red states. All verifiable fact.

GeneralTree Apr 19, 2022 07:05 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

VOR - no data or proof. Simply speculation, creating your own statistics and alternate facts - and parroting. The purges from the left will come soon enough my friend. Go spend some time with the family. Have a good night.

Voice of Reason Apr 19, 2022 06:33 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

General Tree, the CDC's own actions, inconsistencies, manipulation, political interference, and lies, not just government overreach (though there is plenty of that) is what will limit the CDC's abilities if / when we have a serious pandemic in the future. They've blown the trust of many people with how they handled the past two years. That aside, I think when covid first hit in 2020 there was widespread compliance, it was only after we realized (some quicker than others) that this was not the " millions of Californians will die within months" that some of the grossly inaccurate models predicted, which the CDC erroneously relied upon, that many people started pushing back against these rules, mandates and regulations only loosely based on "science", that weren't adequately studied for efficacy after implementation, for a virus that 99.7+% of the people without serious comorbidities would survive.

GeneralTree Apr 19, 2022 03:46 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

That's great - and when the next pandemic comes along - say with something similar to Ebola, the CDC won't be able to do anything about it because of "government overeach." These hand to mouth working class arguments are sadly populist and ignorant. Throwing the baby out with the bath water. But that is the GOP these days.

a-1650405628 Apr 19, 2022 03:00 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

Omicron 2.0 is ramping up locally. My doctor said they saw 5 cases last week, and there is a case in my kid's class too. And that's only the people getting tested. Not to mention there is a nasty strain of flu making the rounds.

dukemunson Apr 19, 2022 02:48 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

238pm - Exactly...and so you can choose to keep doing it forever! Do what you want...thankfully though we're ending that (so much of the time completely useless) charade for everyone. Do what makes you happy and makes you feel safe...no one is going to stop you from wearing that mask.

bicyclist Apr 19, 2022 12:50 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

"MTD still highly recommends wearing a mask while riding the bus...", there you go! My "Discounted Farmacy delivery" driver was wearing a mask (as was I). Can't go wrong with "Precautions". Thank you for the great deal today, wow. Their Delivery Drivers are out there serving the masses, and so polite.

GeneralTree Apr 19, 2022 12:22 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

The ruling Judge, Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, 35, was only eight years out of law school at University of Florida when Trump appointed her to the lifetime position in 2020. Her only trial experience was as an intern, and that she held four clerkships, including one for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Mizelle was rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Association prior to her appointment, citing her lack of experience.

GeneralTree Apr 19, 2022 07:32 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

One million Americans have died from Covid, and that's a low estimate. I understand that you try to place an importance of life based on age. Automobile accidents were not counted as Covid deaths even though the heads on the far right podcasts say otherwise.. I've actually graduated law school, passed the bar, and practiced for 20 years before my next business ventures.

Voice of Reason Apr 19, 2022 06:49 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

In 2020 - 37,000 aged 18 - 45 (sorry I said 50) died from fentanyl overdoes, another 42,000 in 2021. Throughout that same time only 50,000 aged 18-45 died from covid. The OD's are most likely undercounted as the don't count it as a straight fentanyl death if there were other drugs in the system, unlike the covid deaths which counted even if someone was a killed in car accident and just happened to test positive for covid. Those are facts. You must have skimmed over my other response to your input on the legal opinion for you to focus on the copied and paste portion but I get it, addressing that part doesn't jive with your position.

GeneralTree Apr 19, 2022 04:15 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

VOR - I'm not going to sit here all day and cater to your feelings. You asked for some basic background with what I disagreed with about the ruling - yet you never responded to those points about the substance of the ruling - and rather got upset about cutting and pasting an article. I work very hard, have a Master's degree and an MBA. I now own a very successful business. I own several homes and an apartment buildings in town. Hope you can get there too one day.

Voice of Reason Apr 19, 2022 04:01 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

"But Covid-19 is the most serious public health crisis since the late 1910s, and arguably the most serious crisis of any kind to face the globe since World War II" - With fentanyl OD's alone killing more people under 50 than Covid-19, this is simply false.

Voice of Reason Apr 19, 2022 04:05 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

Found the Vox article you copied and pasted from GT (queue Sacjon plagiarism comment). https://www.vox.com/2022/4/19/23031891/supreme-court-trump-mask-mandate-airplane-mizelle-biden Of course I know how you'd respond if I copied and pasted something from the "rights" equivalent. https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

Voice of Reason Apr 19, 2022 03:58 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

So close GT: . "The elected branches, and not judges, should decide public policy" Yes, the elected branches should decide public policy and not judges NOR...... UNELECTED BUREAUCREATS at the CDC and similar agencies. The satiation reference was an example, and if used the way you phrase it would grant enormous and far reaching powers to the CDC, certainly something our elected officials never intended, for example banning fast food / junk food / sodas and mandating daily exercise (which interestingly enough would save more lives than all their covid mandates combined). Of course, no mention of the most egregious reason it was overturned, violation of the Administrative Procedure Act.

GeneralTree Apr 19, 2022 02:33 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

Mizelle’s opinion in Health Freedom Defense Fund v. Biden, the case striking down the masking requirement, is so poorly reasoned that it is difficult not to suspect that it was written in bad faith. Its primary argument is that federal law permits the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to require businesses to clean up contaminants that can spread disease, but that the law does not permit the CDC to actually prevent such contamination from occurring in the first place. But, to arrive at this interpretation of the law, Mizelle takes extreme liberties with statutory text including - Interpretation of Health Freedom completely inaccurate, use of the word sanitation does not mean what the judge thinks it means/ Mizelle also briefly notes that the statute CDC relies upon to require masking has historically been used for more modest regulations, such as “quarantining infected individuals and prohibiting the import or sale of animals known to transmit disease.” But Covid-19 is the most serious public health crisis since the late 1910s, and arguably the most serious crisis of any kind to face the globe since World War II. So it’s unsurprising that the CDC used its authority more aggressively to confront a historical crisis than it did to fight more ordinary diseases. In case there’s any doubt that Mizelle is not operating in good faith, the next segment of her opinion erases any doubt. Mizelle invents a distinction between CDC regulations governing “property” and CDC regulations governing “an individual’s liberty interests” that is directly counter to the statutory text. The elected branches, and not judges, should decide public policy. In addition there are also recent peer reviewed studies that show masking does lessen the possibility of getting COVID and the science is contrary to the judges theory about "absorption" of germs.

Voice of Reason Apr 19, 2022 02:13 PM
Masks No Longer Required on MTD Buses, Still Highly Recommended

Is there a legal aspect she got wrong in her ruling on the CDC/travel mask mandate that you’d care to share? Otherwise, you're just, how do you always put it... 'spewing [left]-wing taking points'. So, 1) does this ruling reflect the proper application of our current laws? and 2) If it doesn't, how so?

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