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Source: Santa Barbara Police Department
Park Fight Ends in Stabbing — Investigation Yields Quick Arrest
On Monday morning at 3:36 A.M., Santa Barbara Police were dispatched to a fight-in-progress at Ortega Park involving four subjects.
Officers located a stabbing victim, identified as a male in his forties. He suffered multiple stab wounds and was transported by medics to Cottage Hospital. The wounds were considered life-threatening.
The male victim relayed to responding Officers that he saw a group of males vandalizing an area of the park. He asked the group to leave the park. The group responded with profanity and verbally affiliated themselves with a criminal street gang.
The victim was attacked by the males and stabbed. The suspects then fled. The victim was thorough in providing a detailed description of the suspects.
Less than an hour later, a 14-year-old juvenile attempted to check in at Cottage Hospital with a severe laceration to his hand.
Santa Barbara Police Department’s Investigative Unit culled through evidence at the crime scene and determined there were several pieces of evidence linking the juvenile to the crime at the park.
The juvenile was subsequently arrested and charged with attempted murder with a felony gang enhancement.
The investigation remains on-going.
The gangs on the East and Westside AND Goleta all have one common denominator (well, maybe t3 or 4), but the main one is they SELL DRUGS- Meth and pot – that keeps them in business and makes them territorial. Their biggest clients are your kids and the vagrant street population.
@4947 12:09 pm. Seriously?! Studies have shown that the human brain is not completely developed until the early twenties. I taught junior high for quite a few years. The 12-14 year olds that I worked with, and some of them were pretty tough kids, were still babies in their abilities to parse out an appropriate reaction to a situation…especially in an adrenaline filled one! Trying these kids as adults is not the answer and it isn’t a deterrent.
Sadly, the SBPD will not make a dent in this gang problem until it’s a priority and today in SB, it’s not. That’s the bottom line. The City Council people running for office will all say it’s such a bad problem and what they’re going to do, BUT it’s never a priority for them or the PD. Sniff
How else could he have defended himself? If the victim had a gun, he might have had a fighting chance. Now he is fighting for his life.
So if you have a gun on you and a 14 year old kid stabs you your not going to use the gun to protect yourself in order to teach the kid a lesson…?
“Gifted”inSB – so he should have just started shooting the kids that were attacking him? Tough call, not sure I’d want to shoot some kids even if they pulled a knife on me.
COASTWATCH – That may be for some, but most kids are getting drugs from many other sources than gang bangers. Not as easy as you think to blame it all on drugs.
Roger – not sure how I’d handle it. If I see a knife, I’m running…. not shooting, no matter who it is. If they are actually stabbing me and I have a gun, I’d probably pull it out but I don’t think I could shoot a child for any reason.
OOPS – Stand your Ground law would have done absolutely nothing – he didn’t have a gun.
You could shoot someone if they are stabbing you getting stabbed doesn’t tickle…
You CAN’T call 911 when Edison turns off power. No police, no fire trucks, no ambulances. No help.
2:17 – sometimes just drawing the gun is enough. But even if they persisted in the attack, he could have shot to detain. You don’t always have to shoot to kill. And these weren’t innocent, helpless kids. These were armed gang members that verbally identified themselves as such.
How much will this cost us tax payers?
2:55 – It won’t cost you a penny more than you already pay in taxes. Seriously… bugs me when people ask how much something will cost them “as tax payers.” It will cost you your taxes. That’s how much. You won’t be paying into anyone’s legal defense or incarceration, you’ve already paid and already will be paying.
Get real. If you have to use deadly force (gun or otherwise) you need to be serious about killing the assailant(s). “Shoot to detain” is not an appropriate or legal option. We don’t have a stand-your-ground option in California; you’ve got to attempt escape as long as it’s reasonably an option before using deadly force.
that’s the other problem with CA
So, who do you think pays the the public defender? Who pays for the jails and those who staff it? Who is paying for the police to deal with this instead of the 1000 other priorities that they could be working on? How about the Probation / Parole officers / court system?
No, don’t try to play that game. The taxpayers are funding all of this and wouldn’t have to without the crimminals .
3:58 – yes, we all pay for those things, through our taxes. It’s not like you get billed for someone’s PD or jail food, we all pay taxes to our government and these are the services it provides. Besides, what game am I playing? You’re the one saying we wouldn’t have to pay if there were no criminals. Hahaha! Yeah, just stop crime and we won’t have to pay for jails, cops, public defenders etc…. Good luck with that kiddo…..”don’t play that game” I’m literally shaking my head out loud… lol!
12:35 – yes, yes he should have. No qualms about it. Someone vile enough to stab an innocent person should be laid out.
Mattyboy – so, you’re cool with shooting a child to death? Just wanted to confirm. Thanks!
04:39 – if that’s what it takes.
Trumps fault ! He didn’t build the wall fast enough
People are climbing over that stupid wall just a waste of money for a farce.
Coming from a 71 yr old woman, if anyone, regardless of age or gender, tries to take me out, believe me I’ll get them first. I do know how to shoot and I am quite good at it. A kid wants to try? Go ahead, punk. “Make my day!”
Try the 14-year-old as an adult.
Too bad the victim wasn’t armed.
Another example of why CA needs a Stand your Ground law.
Feel for the vic.
Mattyboy – so he could have shot a 14 year old? Yeah, that would have taught that kid a lesson!
Imagine how safe you will be if Edison turns off power for 5 days.
Fourteen year-old males will always be loose cannons, but unless they are from disfunctional families, they’re not out at 3 a.m. In the rare occasion they have “nuck” out, they aren’t carrying weapons, and when, not if, their parents hear about it, their “a** is grass!” In the absence of parental control, society has every right to protect itself.
LUVADUCK – I had (still have) the most caring, involved parents and we sat down at the dinner table every night, they helped with my homework, etc etc etc and guess what? When I was 16-17, I used to sneak out and meet my friends. Yeah, I got caught… a couple times and grounded into eternity. BUT, you can’t say that kids out and about at 3am have no “parental control.” Their parents may have been sound asleep, trusting their son was in bed as well. Parents can only do so much. We have to sleep at some point too!
That’s right Roger, we should be allowed to protect ourselves, and a 14 yr. kid at 3 am claiming to be a gang banger is a threat, not an innocent baby. and 2 or 3 together is dangerous for anyone.
All these don’t shoot the poor kid commentors was not in that mans shoes at that moment. I dont believe in hurting others but I do believe in protecting yourself. Just fire the weapon at the ground toward them, they will run
Now that’s better , lets all give each other a hug 🙂 and maybe learn some Kungfu or something
Stop spreading false information, this wont happen.
same poster, trying to scare people. this wont happen.
First of all what were these 14 year olds doing out at 3:30am in the park. Gee I guess they were getting information for the essays and assignments they were going to write that day in class. Not! Their parents should be held accountable and pay since they had no clue where their kids were at or what they were doing. A little jail time for the clueless parents might be in order too. They could share a cell with their kid and work on their homework which will probably be overdue since they aren’t in class much. Secondly the park closes at one half hour after sunset until sunrise so what was the other guy doing in the park at that time. Every night there are people camping out in the entrance to the pool. This city needs to get a grip on these problems which they don’t seem to be able to do. Our police department is great but they have no power to enforce the law and most of our city council is weak except for one who can’t get anything done because our mayor has it out for him.
LOVEMYSB – Yup! This park has been a hotbed of fights, stabbings, shootings, drugs, vagrants, etc etc since I was a kid going to school at SBJH and probably also long before that. There is NO reason they can’t have constant patrols around here cleaning up the place. As for the kids, the parents should be held accountable to some degree, but once these kids join gangs, there’s not much they can do. It’s sad. But, luckily we have people like MATTYBOY around here ready to shoot to kill these kids if they pull a knife on him…..smh.
I’m sorry about the victim getting stabbed, but seriously is no one going to ask why he was in the park at 3:30am on a Monday? Here’s a safety tip – stay away from known crime areas at 3:30am and if you, for some odd reason, are in one, do NOT go bugging criminals that are committing crimes!
Don’t normalize this behavior. No, it has not always gone on like this. Time to revisit the city’s proposed gang injunction, because the prior threat of a gang injunction quieted things down for a long time. But this time get a judge who does not pretend “Santa Barbara does not have a gang problem” because it does and it is ramping up again. No, this has not gone on for a long time. What is the point of even saying something like this – it is all a matter of degree. What are the positives of letting gangs and vagrants take over our public spaces? Please enlighten us.
@4:39 So you’re cool with being stabbed to death by a child?
WOW!
But first, shoot him in the foot so he can’t chase you.
How many of you pro-shooting a kid people are also Pro-life? Just curious.
At 04:39: And you’re cool with being stabbed, possibly to death? People have an unalienable right to defend themselves and that is the actual reason there is a Second Amendment. Personally, I wouldn’t have confronted these criminals without have a cocked and locked firearm at my side. Of course, in your eyes, they were only innocent “children” like the three that were killed by a homeowner trying to defend himself in Georgia recently. And I don’t consider a 14 year old a “child”; in fact, I’d even consider calling this one a……………gang member!
LCP112233 – exactly, which is why it’s moronic to confront them. How do we know the victim didn’t do more than just say “hey stop vandalizing” while on his 3:30 am stroll through the park?
NO, guns are NOT the answer. Ughhhhhhh.
You are right but this is also known as “blaming the victim.” How do we get back to a world where it is okay to go for a walk in your neighborhood in the quiet early morning hours if you can’t sleep? Does such a place exist any longer?
It’s not about being for shooting a kid it’s about protecting yourself.
Didn’t S.B. pass a regulation that parks are closed overnight?
9:53 – Pro-life here. Pro-innocent. Pro-vulnerable. Pro-defenseless. Anti-thug. Anti-gangbanger. Anti-punk.