Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

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By edhat staff

Santa Barbara County Firefighters responded to a large homeless encampment fire burning along Highway 101 in Goleta on Monday evening.

Fire crews arrived around 11:30 p.m. on the southbound lanes of Highway 101 between Los Carneros and Fairview exits. Initially, crews thought the incident was a structure fire but when the first engine company arrived they learned it was a "large homeless encampment fire" burning between Highway 101 and the railroad tracks, said Fire Captain Daniel Bertucelli.

Crews extinguished the fire and mopped up hot spots. 

California Highway Patrol monitored traffic in the area. There were no reported injuries or damaged structures. 

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JB86 Nov 06, 2019 12:02 AM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

OK, since no one knows what to do to get the homeless into safe housing, and the camps keep proliferating, here's a crazy idea; organize boy and girl scouts to go out and teach the homeless how to camp safely. Here's an eagle project, or gold award for the kids. I know this is not easy - what parent wants their kid interacting with sketchy bums? But scouting procedures do make for safe use of fire in any environment.

Shasta Guy Nov 06, 2019 07:30 AM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Being the parent of a soon to be Eagle Scout, the idea is insane. You can’t change they way those people want to live until they want a different way of life for themselves.

Eminence Threat Nov 06, 2019 06:53 AM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

A fine opportunity for the Toxic Diseases, Self Defense and Haz-Mat Merit Badges. How better to prepare the next generation for the world they are about to inherit.?

PogChampion1 Nov 06, 2019 05:49 AM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Yea. Hey kids...your job today is to go interact with drug addicts, paedophiles, and violent drunks. We need you to teach them basic safety which they regularly ignore 24/7 because they are broken people. Sound good kids?

lokelyokel Nov 05, 2019 08:46 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

I want to participate in this conversation, but for the life of me, I can't learn how to read comments with a thread that goes bottom to top. Has anyone figured out how to read Edhat with traditional commenting norms (top oldest, bottom newest)?

a-1575559107 Nov 06, 2019 11:02 AM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Yeah, it’s annoying, but you get used to it. Start at the bottom, then scroll up til you find an entry that starts at the far left. Read it, then go to the bottom of the indented comments under that entry and read from bottom up. Repeat.

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 08:24 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

E N O U G H of these darn fires all due to the homeless folks. Let's shut this down SBFD, SBPD, SBSO, SBCF, City Council, S.B. Supes, et al. WTF are you waiting for - the entire city to catch on fire & burn? Really!

Luvaduck Nov 06, 2019 05:24 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

If one of these fires does what the flooding in Montecito did--wipe out a swath of suburban homes and kill residents in their sleep, the rubber will hit the pavement. Many of the sympathetic do-gooders have never dealt with being poor or known any addicts. In their well-intentions but ignorance, they beg to be taken advantage of. Meanwhile, with the weather getting colder elsewhere and weather & the pickin's better here, don't be surprised if we are the destination-of-choice for "snowbird"-vagrants from all over. Word gets around.

a-1575559107 Nov 06, 2019 09:00 AM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

PITMIX - the scariest part is how many upvotes 9:05, and other comments like this, have received. Sad how so many in our community are so filled with hate.

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 09:05 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Clean out the camps of course. Btw do you have any idea how much pollution and untreated sewage they create in their encampments? The ones in river beds and creek beds are creating toxic waste that runs into the sea. I personally Think the state should find a place in the desert where they were going to build that absurd railroad for $25...70,80,90 billion And build a huge enclosure and just stick them in there with 3 meals a day- oatmeal, rice and beans for lunch, rice and beans for dinner plus all antipsychotic meds they need. Zero alcohol or drugs. Cheaper in the long run and far less attractive than coastal Santa Barbara with their warming shelters and portable showers and parkland campgrounds and easy drugs.

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 08:39 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

And do what exactly? Fill the city jail and county jails with the homeless? Might be cheaper to build and maintain structures caring for the less fortunate among us than housing them in very secure prison like structures. But hey, it's more fun to get angry and outraged than to think it through for some solutions.

ChillinGrillin Nov 05, 2019 08:20 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

The political arguments one way or another don't help anyone. The homeless fall into the have-not, cannot, and will-not categories. Those aren't my words but I haven't seen this posted yet and it's the best concise description I've heard of homelessness. The first two groups need services to become self-sufficient. Or at least sheltered and fed if they can't work or get disability or family help. Will-nots are the problem and the police and local govt. need to set public norms through enforcing existing laws. It shouldn't be normal to drink beer at a public park in the daytime, or camp next to freeways and train tracks, or shoot heroine and sleep next to a sidewalk all day.

a-1575559107 Nov 06, 2019 01:22 AM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

I cannot recall, maybe FACTOTUM? But some Edhatter has posted the have not, etc thing twice (at least), when addressing this type of thread.

Eminence Threat Nov 05, 2019 07:57 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

SOLUTIONS ..? …... according to ... yikeikipedia.org/yiki/Bum_Fire … after the ‘Truth Aquatics Disaster’, Congress opened the National Parks to development because of the dangers and costs associated with investigating and litigating criminal negligence tort claims. After the fire, Starbucks, Firestone Brewing and KB homes merged to form "The Santa Cruz Island Nature Development and Mining Company Incorporated". They were awarded the contracts to build the ‘unincorporated’ city of "NewSantaCito", the "Truth Aquatics Memorial Marina and Casino", (with its four cruise ship terminals), the "Scorpions Ranch Shopping and Entertainment Complex” (the world’s first Outdoor Cinema Megaplex,) and the "Condos at on Santa Rosa Island". Once Blackwater captured Joe Walsh and his band of outlaw saboteurs, development progressed rapidly. The Santa Cruz Island International Airport was finished in time for the Santa Cruz 500, an off-road race, drawing spectators from all over the world, and when completed, the Anacapa Island Federal Penitentiary, will be the most modern prison ever built. With all the new oil rigs and fracking, the shipping lanes were re-opened to international freight and Port Hueneme is slated to become a world hub of shipping…… etc etc..... . yikeikipedia

Eminence Threat Nov 05, 2019 06:55 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

..... yikeikipedia.org/wiki/Bum_Fire ... The BUM FIRE (2019) was a devastating wildfire that burned in the Santa Barbara City Limits and the unincorporated town of Montecito, in Santa Barbara County, California during November 2019. By the time the fire was contained in early December, it had burned nearly 20,000 acres destroyed 2,427 buildings, 1,763 homeless villages and most of the homes between downtown and Montecito. The fire started in an ‘Unincorporated Homeless On-ramp Village’, where an ‘Unpermitted Community Meth Cooking Fire’ was set near the on-ramp at Carrillo Street. It spread rapidly, fueled by the hot air of activists screaming for homeless meth addict rights. Within an hour the fire had spread throughout downtown, over the riviera and beyond. Thousands of homeless were made homeless and forced to sleep on the beach. Drawn by the lure of easy FEMA checks, tort settlements and movie star donations, lawyers flocked to Santa Barbara, but with the over-inflated prices of real estate, rebuilding the city was deemed "economically impossible", by the Federal Government, and the funds were instead directed to NASA, to finance the settlement of Mars. Afterward, the remaining billions were eventually used to apply for building permits, but the funding ran dry at the ABR and the Courthouse and most of Downtown were "converted" into housing for the homeless......

winter Nov 05, 2019 06:50 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

I am not on a political side here....have seen homeless fires, near my house...in the last few weeks. Drove by Earl Warren, yesterday...that encampment, is coming back... Just wanted to know...why they are not picked up....public nuisance, intoxication, danger to themselves...5150, or community.

JB86 Nov 05, 2019 06:50 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

This is becoming a weekly event and eventually will coincide with sundowner conditions. Everyone south of 101 will be a risk. I wish I had an answer, but starting with basic enforcement would be good. Just clearing out the undergrowth and debris would be helpful and preventive, but there doesn't seem to be a unified group or agency to spearhead that. The problem extends from west Goleta down to at least Milpas.

bigone Nov 06, 2019 08:05 AM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

09:54 - that doesn't appear to be correct according to a January, 2019 survey done by the U.S. government and published in MarketWatch: "More than half a million people are homeless each night in the United States, a new White House report has found. And nearly half of them are concentrated in one state: California. All told, 47% of all unsheltered homeless people nationwide — meaning those who sleep in areas not meant for habitation, such as sidewalks, parks, cars and abandoned buildings, rather than in shelters — live in the Golden State. At the city level, four of the five cities with the highest rate of unsheltered homelessness are in California: San Francisco, Los Angeles, Santa Rosa and San Jose. Seattle joins the California municipalities in the top five."

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 09:54 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

In point in time counts in SB County, 40% of the homeless people are locals. Also, percentage wise, California doesn’t have the worst homeless problem.

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 04:59 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Hang on a second. Have we got this right? In the dark of night a truckload of firemen rush into the bushes to fight a fire. They're walking over and through heaps of trash, human waste, hypo needles, sleeping bags, and God knows what else. Why on earth isn't the firefighter's union calling for an end to fighting all fires within a vagrant encampments. These are hazardous waste site, a danger to firefighters, and outside the scope of normal duties. Park the truck on the RR tracks, spray a hose from there, and hope for the best.

Bene Nov 06, 2019 07:12 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Are you speaking for any firefighters that you know? I know several who think stepping in stinking feces and on needles is not the best use of their skills.

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 05:59 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Hold on now, in this part of planet earth, firefighters (firemen? you must be really old) are ready to deal with any type of fire. They are equipped with helmets, heavy boots, jackets, gloves, respirators, ect. I hardly think that they are worried about human feces, needles, or anything else that maybe in those camps.

SBLetsGetAlong Nov 05, 2019 05:57 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

exactly, more people need to be conscious of this and voice their disgust with the how poor a job the government is doing to protect the people, firefighters, business owners, home owners who almost lost their structures, and the homeless that govt ignore and sweep under the carpet.

CoastWatch Nov 05, 2019 05:21 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Here's an idea...Have EVERY local Representative from the ACLU as well as any card-carrying ACLU member(s) respond to the fires, crap infested camps and demand they clean up the mess they have perpetuated up all of US. I would love to see a ACLU lawyer with a pressure washer on State St.

Roger Nov 05, 2019 05:47 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Be thankful this aien't Chicago because if this sort of thing went on over there because it would end quickly and the law would have nothing to do with shutting it down jus sayin.

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 04:46 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

WINTER - OK OK, you and your buddies win. You can be charged with arson even if it's just caused by recklessness. Again, so what? You can't just convict everyone in an encampment because a fire started there. You have to investigate and prosecute fully. It's not as easy as simply saying "Oh, I found your ID at an encampment that caught fire, you're going to jail." That's not how it works.

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 04:02 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Reckless Arson (State of California). "While most people consider arson to be the intentional setting of fires, reckless behavior that leads to the destruction of property by fire may also lead to arson charges. For example, Joe and his friends go for a hike on a hot day in a popular state park. There are signs all over the hiking trail advising “fires are prohibited.” The group decides to make a small campfire to roast some hotdogs around lunchtime, even though they know that open flames are not allowed inside the park. After the fire has been started, the wind picks up and carries an ember to the dry grass nearby, igniting the underbrush and burning out of control. The group is later arrested and charged with reckless arson because they behaved in a reckless manner by making a campfire where it was clearly prohibited. In many jurisdictions, reckless arson not only subjects the perpetrator to criminal charges, but he may be required to pay the high cost of fire suppression."

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 03:59 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

A person acts “recklessly” if he is aware that his actions could present a substantial and unjustifiable risk of causing a fire, he ignores that risk, and doing so is a gross deviation from how a reasonable person would act in the same situation. Penal Code 451 PC - California Arson Laws

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 04:44 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

3:59 - You just defined negligence, NOT intent. The very PC 451 you cite states, "A person is guilty of arson when he or she WILLFULLY and MALICIOUSLY sets fire to or burns or causes to be burned or who aids, counsels, or procures the burning of, any structure, forest land, or property." (emphasis added) ________ https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=451. -------------- Seriously, read your own cites. Now, if you cited PC 452, as you should have, then I would be wrong.... ;)

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 03:14 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Neither liberals nor conservatives are right about the solutions here, which seem to go like this: 1. Liberal: house them, let them keep using, decriminalize, offer services.... but leaving them outside is not humanitarian. 2. Conservative: lock them up when they break the law, insist they live right in society. They are both wrong, and both right. We want people to live in this thin veneer of society, but some are just so sideways we can't expect that. So we have to help the seriously mentally ill, the addicted, and the chronically homeless because they're just not going to make the jump to being self-sufficient productive citizens by themselves. That means you house and treat them. Those who don't want help...you sort of have to drive them to it, actually. And part of that means making them uncomfortable where they are. So you clean out the encampments, you do aggressive outreach to get them to a 'yes', and you make sure there are enough shelter beds. It's both / and, not either / or.

Chip of SB Nov 05, 2019 03:36 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

I really like the way you put that 3:14. The solution is combining the best aspects of the "liveral" and "conservative" approaches. Take those who cannot care for themselves into custody (the "conservative" part) and give them the care they need and treat them with compassion (the "liberal" part). If we did that, the "homeless" would be off the streets, and they would get the help and compassion they quite frankly deserve to receive as human beings. Unfortunately, this type of solution will not be implemented until we have a major shift in state and local politics...

a-1575559107 Nov 05, 2019 03:06 PM
Large Homeless Camp Catches Fire in Goleta

Yes, WINTER and LCP112233. Also, detain each person and do background checks. There are several factors involved in a potential arson charge that can lead to sentencing enhancement that will greatly increase a defendant’s prison sentence. Some examples may include if you have previously been convicted of any felony or misdemeanor arson. In those instances an individual can had an additional 3,4 or 5 years in prison added to their sentence pursuant to California Penal Code Section 451.1(a)(1).

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