Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

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A suspect pulled a knife at the Harbor Patrol Office, 132 Harbor Way. Harbor Patrol disarmed the suspect who then had a panic attack.

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surfbum Aug 21, 2020 10:06 AM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

I think the last (perhaps only) Harbor Patrol officer involved shooting was when an unleashed dog was killed in front of the SB yacht club.

PitLocal Aug 21, 2020 09:11 AM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

AlexBlue don't be talking trash about the Harbor Patrol. If the guy pulled a knife and there was law enforcement involvement, and he didn't get shot, one would think that the officer involved exercised good judgment in dealing with the situation without the necessity of an officer involved shooting. Sounds to me like the Harbor Patrol did a good job on that one.

Alexblue Aug 21, 2020 10:20 AM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

Pitlocal--settle down bro--you have completely misunderstood what I was saying.

I wasn't saying it would be hard for them to shoot him because they are lazy or bad at their jobs, I was saying that it would be hard for them if they had to shoot and kill someone because taking a life is a traumatic thing for most people and impacts them for long afterward. So, my sympathy is with the HP in this type of situation.

Understand?

SB1961 Aug 21, 2020 08:50 AM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

ChillinGrillin, Alexblue
Ponder this:
Remember the crazy transient who went into a restaurant in Ventura and stabbed a man to death in front of his young daughter and wife?
Perhaps law enforcement encountered the guy previously and decided "moving along to the next incarnation" was the best move. Threatening people with a knife if a deadly threat, do your best to deescalate, arrest and treat. Walking away is not the answer.

Alexblue Aug 21, 2020 10:21 AM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

SB1961--

I guess I wasn't very clear. When I say "move on to the next incarnation", I mean that in a metaphysical sense--i.e., someone as messed up an miserable as you have to be to pull a weapon on LEO is someone who I am not too worried about being moved on to the afterlife.

a-1598024298 Aug 21, 2020 08:38 AM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

I want the harbor to be a safe place for families. Get rid of these chronic trouble makers. Now.

a-1598050420 Aug 21, 2020 03:53 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

ALEX - no, not trying to make you see any perspective, just asking you to consider those situations. Why are you unwilling to even consider those? You refuse to even try, so please spare me the whole "compassion" spiel. I'm done here.

Alexblue Aug 21, 2020 02:54 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

034--no, trying to make me see your perspective is not a compassionate response. A compassionate response is to try and understand the other person's perspective without judging and attacking. I think you know that.

Beyond that--the point remains--there are people who literally might be better off dead than alive when it comes to their suffering. I think, thought it might. bother you, you probably also know that to be true. My thinking that is possible doesn't mean I have no compassion for them, it's quite the contrary.

a-1598046034 Aug 21, 2020 02:40 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

ALEXBLUE - check out my question at 10:27am - not an attack, a question. Check out my suggestion for you to consider other scenarios, those are questions - ie, what do you think about scenario x, y, z? Not attacks Did you comment on either of those? No. And no, when you repeatedly assert that people with possibly temporary mental breaks would be better off if they were gunned down, I really don't have compassion for you. Sorry, if you are depressed or in some way suffering, I apologize, but don't say I never asked you questions, you just failed to answer them.

a-1598041542 Aug 21, 2020 01:25 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

ALEX - Mental illness is one thing, and I've had relatives suffer as well, but you're kind of missing the point. You say that anyone who would pull a knife (or any weapon presumably) on a cop, would be better off dead because their lives are horrible. That's just wrong. You don't have any idea what might have happened. You can't kill someone because you think "eh, they're clearly suffering right now, therefore their life sucks and they would be happy to die anyway."
I mentioned firearms because I'm hoping you are never in a situation to put someone out of their "misery" just because of your misconceptions.

Finally, and I'm done here, no - I value my family's lives far more than others, but that's not relevant. You don't need to value all life equally to not think all people who suffer, what may be totally temporary, break in mental stability are better off dead. You do. It's disgusting, but I'm done.

a-1598041154 Aug 21, 2020 01:19 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

M-CUBED - exactly. Without knowing more, Alex prefers to assume anyone who would do this is living a horrible existence and would be happier dead. Don't try to disarm or de-escalate the situation, just shoot them. They'd thank if you they could. Good grief.....

Alexblue Aug 21, 2020 02:27 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

870--thanks for the exchange. Lastly--

You read something that I wrote that upset you. I find that, when I am practicing compassion, I try to respond in that situation by asking a question or two.

What is going on that this person would say this? Maybe I am depressed. Maybe I am scared of people who carry knives. Maybe I am suffering from trauma due to a years long situation dealing with someone else's terrifying mental illness.

You had a golden opportunity to simply--ask a question.

Instead-- you immediately went on the attack.

Describing me as "monstrous".
Claiming I have disregard for humanity.
Calling me "frightening"
"Disturbing"
Saying I have "ZERO" consideration.
Implying that I am some sort of threat and therefore should not own a firearm or be in LE.

Six attacks. Zero questions. And what do you think you will achieve by that? Can that educate me? Calm me? Help me? How is that compassionate?

Alexblue Aug 21, 2020 01:18 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

870--

Yep--it sucks to suffer from mental illness. I have relatives who have suffered for years and years. I've watched it, had many sleepless nights, etc., etc., etc..

And, yeah, I think they may have been a lot better off NOT having to suffer through all of that.

If you think that's monstrous, honestly, I'm okay with that.

Beyond that, what are you even on about on the whole firearms thing. No, I don't own a gun. Never have and never will, because I don't live in fear. I've never in my life pulled a weapon on someone, I've never threatened anyone I've never physically attacked anyone, nope, just lead my life by the golden rule--how terribly monstrous.

Lastly--here's the thing--do I have a disregard for humanity? No. Not at all. However, I do value some lives more than others. Just like you--because if you claim that you value all lives equally, you're lying.

a-1598040142 Aug 21, 2020 01:02 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

12:57 here again - before you try, let me just be very clear: I am not saying people who attack cops with a knife shouldn't be shot. I'm saying that your assumption that everyone who has a mental break and pulls a weapon is living a "miserable" or "debased" life and would be better off dead, is inhumane and wrong. BIG difference, I hope you see that.

a-1598039870 Aug 21, 2020 12:57 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

ALEX - yikes.... kind of monstrous of you, but anyway. Consider this possibility: Some young person is high on something for the first time and has lost a little self control, maybe even hallucinating and pulls a knife on a cop. Instant death? How about someone with a family, someone who has an underlying mental health issue, forgets to take their meds, or takes the wrong ones, and has a mental break? Shoot 'em dead on the spot? Think a little bit here. Not every person who has a mental break of some kind (whether by drugs or by mental illness) is living a "debased life" that is worth ending without any effort to treat them. And no, I'm not talking about eugenics so quit while you're ahead. And further no... don't try to excuse your disregard for humanity by blaming those who disagree with you for not doing more to help others. You have no idea what us "anti-murdering people with mental breaks" do for others. No, this is about your frighteningly disturbing generalization of all people who lose their sh** for a second and pull a weapon on a cop.

You clearly have absolutely ZERO consideration for people with mental issues (or kids on acid or something). I truly hope to God you don't own firearms and are not a cop of any sort.

Alexblue Aug 21, 2020 12:11 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

878--the location makes no difference.

Other than that, you want to have a discussion about rights and process. Okay, everybody has the right to due process and to a just trial so no, I'm not advocating anything other than that. What I am saying, and I think you understand it, and yes it is based on a number of assumptions, is that someone who is so miserable and @*&[email protected] up that they would pull a knife on LEO, might well be better off dead.

I know, I know, that's probably terribly offensive to you but I'm okay with that. In fact, I value human life, but a debased life, IMO, isn't really worth living. And, no, I'm not saying that I or anyone should be able to make that decision for anyone else, I'm not advocating for eugenics, or any other nonsense that you'll likely pull out. But the fact is, I think many people who like to take the position that all life is sacred rarely do anything to actually improve the lives of others--I personally don't think all life is sacred.

a-1598030878 Aug 21, 2020 10:27 AM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

ALEX - just to get this straight: If someone pulls at knife on a cop, in the harbor (as if the location makes a difference), then they should be killed on the spot without a trial because that would be the best option for that person?

Alexblue Aug 21, 2020 12:44 AM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

Yeah, honestly, if someone is hanging at the harbor and pulls a knife on LEO, then they are most likely totally miserable and would, sad as that may be, probably be better off moving along to the next incarnation.

ChillinGrillin Aug 20, 2020 09:43 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

So based on no information you say "eh...just shoot him." Do society a favor and never work in law enforcement.

m-cubed Aug 20, 2020 09:06 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

there are a lot of variables. maybe this suspect was weak and the knife was puny and the harbor patrol guy was never even afraid of being badly injured. on the other end if some huge buff guy pulls a machete you shoot him

a-1597981126 Aug 20, 2020 08:38 PM
Knife Brandishing at Harbor Patrol

There was a knife pulled on someone at the harbor about a month ago. I wonder if it's the same person.

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