Junk at the Santa Barbara Courthouse

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Junk at the Santa Barbara Courthouse
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By NatureBoy

The Santa Barbara Courthouse: one of the most beautiful, most visited, and most photographed locations in all of SB. Has anyone else noticed, and been bothered by, the almost constant junk installation on the sidewalk on the Anapamu side, consisting of shopping carts, litter, cardboard, and other piles of ugly mess?

Why doesn’t the city keep up with getting rid of this stuff, considering that it uglifies one of the most beautiful views in town for both locals and visitors alike?  The stuff is there every day; it is littering on a major scale and I’m sick of looking at it. I reported it to the city so let’s see if anything happens. 

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MyHonorStudentB Aug 30, 2019 12:58 PM
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Inadvertant double posts. Wait for the software. Pardon the excess post of this the software was unusually slow to post so I double clicked. Now it is clear how this SQL database back end works.

a-1569194254 Aug 28, 2019 03:55 PM
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Having a bit of junk near the court house gardens makes the gardens look even better by comparison. It makes it less Disneylandy; we have problems, and yet it's still so darn beautiful here.

a-1569194254 Aug 28, 2019 10:12 AM
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Dude is brilliantly protesting Styrofoam cups, soybean overproduction, Glyphosate poison killing the planet and a broken recycling system and all anyone sees is trash. That's the point. The it's all trash. It's a beautiful mind in action.

Ehdat Aug 28, 2019 09:02 AM
Junk at the Santa Barbara Courthouse

This guy is not a product of extreme poverty or struggling to get a job, he has mental illness and needs help. He hates authority and mostly refuses help. I have personally watched the downward spiral of this guy. Several years ago, he was on Cabrillo Blvd with his modest car, and it was the beginning of the downward slope. His car was packed with junk, papers all over his dash, and political event press passes everywhere. Eventually his junk overwhelmed him, and he lost his car. Parading around the beach with never ending props, yelling and discussing political and world problems with imaginary people or yelling at a random passer-by-er.. fast forward to today.. hoarding objects with some sense of desperation, somehow hanging on to our society's obsession with having possessions to define our self worth; albeit random container jugs, cardboard boxes, and packaging parts. If nobody cleans this up, he feels that his middle finger to to the world has super powers.

Rinconer Aug 28, 2019 07:37 AM
Junk at the Santa Barbara Courthouse

Omg there are 3 pieces of cardboard on a shopping cart. If this is your biggest problem you are extremely lucky.

a-1569194254 Aug 28, 2019 06:18 AM
Junk at the Santa Barbara Courthouse

While we're on the subject, how bout the city get rid of all those sidewalk crack weeds growing? The entire courthouse is surrounded by weedy sidewalks!

MyHonorStudentB Aug 28, 2019 04:16 AM
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The Amazon is burning, Santa Barbara suffers violent crime, and trolls have nothing better to do than whine about an expressive ecccentric is happens to be a warm and caring person struggling with extreme poverty? Disgusting. Lay off the keyboard and do something constructive.

DMG Aug 28, 2019 09:14 AM
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If you've ever been on the receiving end of one of his tirades, you might change your view that this man; "Steve" is a warm and caring person. That said, he is struggling from extreme mental illness and does need help, but without him being a true threat to himself or others, there is nothing that can be done to help him.

sbsunshine Aug 28, 2019 12:07 AM
Junk at the Santa Barbara Courthouse

Posting this link to info on Community First Village: https://mlf.org/community-first/. This is a successful model for addressing the homeless issue and it is being replicated across the US. They teach skilled trades like welding, bricklaying, organic gardening and the arts. Santa Barbara has so many historic locations that require welding, beautiful wrought iron, repairs to stone walls and so forth. Imagine a place where these skills can be learned and the entire community benefits from the homeless returning the gift of housing and establishing the community by them working on city improvements. Imagine the homeless eating organic foods, learning regenerative agriculture and as a result their bodies and minds heal. There is plenty of land in Santa Ynez and north where a community like this can be created. There are many homeless people that need a structure like this in order to cycle up and out. And, many have no family, no sense of anyone in this world ever having their back, the repeated judgements from passersby tear down their soul....that can change with a program like Community First Village. What more is possible? What would it take to create this? This is the type of model we need. Maybe the Mayor can book a flight and go tour these visionary places. Maybe the Santa Barbara Foundation can use some of their money to get this started. There was some conversations circulating that they had an extra million from the mudslide disaster that they hadn't allocated yet...

RHS Aug 29, 2019 03:39 PM
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So without due process you would seize something being held by someone else on the likelihood that they stole what they are using? Fortunately possession is still an important part of the law and the possessor has some right to hold what s/he has until a hearing or procedure takes place. Loosen up. Government grabbing things willy nilly leads to bad places.

nope Aug 28, 2019 01:29 PM
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RHS- I said the carts are stolen, not the contents. The carts should be emptied and confiscated. The contents are then abandoned trash that if not claimed and removed can be disposed of. In answer to your question re monster trucks, yes if that truck is illegally parked or stored you can call to have it removed. Similarly if it is stolen, it can be returned to it's rightful owner. Too expand on your analogy, say the thief filled the truck with their personal possessions, are you suggesting the thief should be allowed to retrieve those items from the stolen vehicle. Yeah, no.

Sam The Dog Aug 28, 2019 09:30 AM
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If that monster off road truck was illegally parked, taking up multiple spaces, blocking access, impairing visibility, etc. it should be towed and the owner can collect it from impound.

RHS Aug 28, 2019 09:06 AM
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Factotum: whether the carts are stolen, borrowed or owned by the users, it is obvious that the property in them is that of the user. If the property were seized by the police the authorities would, under case law, have to store it for a reasonable period of time to allow the owner to recover it. Considering how little these folks have, the idea of simply trashing their life to protect someone's esthetic experience is a pretty sad idea. Maybe I should haul off one of these monster off road trucks that don't fit in parking places as I find them ugly and they are in violation of some ordinance?

Factotum Aug 28, 2019 08:40 AM
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SBSUNSHINE: perhaps you are unfamiliar with the trades programs already in place at SBCC? As well as the generous stipends available to low-income students. So far no takers, among the group you still assume wants to be helped. Triage this group: those who can; those who cannot; and those who will not. State lockdown institutions for those who cannot, social safety net already in place for those who can, and now share your practical suggestions for the last group that makes up the bulk of our local problems - those that WILL not - they are service resistant addicts; not poor nor vulnerable. And not without considerable skills. Have at it, but please confine your responses to the last part of this issue - the will-nots.

nope Aug 27, 2019 10:23 PM
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The carts are stolen property, there isn’t a lawyer in the land that could paint it any other way. Shopping carts are easily identifiable by store and the police could confiscate all of them without any fear of repercussion. No ones hands are tied, the police and city are making a choice not to enforce the law. Are they holding out for increased budgets or feel that interacting with the homeless is beneath their duties? I don’t know but there is nothing legally to stop them removing all shopping carts from the homeless tomorrow. This is not a lack of compassion, I’d like these people to be housed and have health insurance and be assisted with mental health issues but the lack of those services doesn’t excuse anti social behavior.

MyHonorStudentB Aug 30, 2019 12:53 PM
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"the program used in the City" which program would that be, and how would it apply when Vons went out of business?

a-1569194254 Aug 28, 2019 03:47 PM
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I have seen some old carts with no identifying information on them. Probably was removed years ago. If I find an empty, unmarked cart in a ditch and take it home, that's not stealing. I've seen some of the carts homeless people use, and it would be hard to tell which store they originally belonged to.

Dontchaknow Aug 28, 2019 08:02 AM
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MYHONORSTUDENTSB - That is just flay out FALSE. Retailers are responsible for the removal and disposal of abandoned or stolen carts, the program used in the City is funded by grocery stores. It is a condition of use for retailers who have carts! Vons did not sell their old carts, you can't just make stuff up! They are stolen property and can be confiscated.

MyHonorStudentB Aug 28, 2019 04:18 AM
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Shopping carts from when Vons shut down were put on the market for next to nothing and many people use them lawfully.

a-1569194254 Aug 27, 2019 09:45 PM
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Hello, SUNSHINE. I think you mean "unsightly:"--------- " . . . lower state street next to the poor shop the building has been weirdly boarded, insightful and dirty for years." A building isn't a thinking being and cannot be considered "insightful" (intuitive, perceptive)

a-1569194254 Aug 27, 2019 08:00 PM
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Hey if you leave your wallet, purse, jacket out in the open on a sidewalk it is now considered lost or abandoned and anyone can take it, period. Or take it and post something about found property. This junk on the streets is no different. If it's someone's property then they should be with it not leaving it. Period. So yes, we have a right to take it.

a-1569194254 Aug 29, 2019 07:46 PM
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Re: finding lost stuff: Which is why I always put ads on Craigslist "Lost and Found" when I find lost hats, beach towels, shoes, shorts, sunglasses, dog toys, scooters, keys, etc. I have yet to get a reply from anyone who wants to reunite with his/her lost stuff, but I always figure it's worth a try.

Concerned4Calif Aug 28, 2019 08:52 AM
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Recently the Chief of Police in SLO left her gun in a bathroom. The district attorney up there was very clear. If you take found property you must turn find the owner or you are a thief. Under California Penal Code section 485, failure to return lost property is a crime of theft. The statute reads as follows, "[o]ne who finds lost property under circumstances which give him knowledge of or means of inquiry as to the true owner, and who appropriates such property to his own use, or to the use of another person not entitled thereto, without first making reasonable and just efforts to find the owner and to restore the property to him, is guilty of theft."

MyHonorStudentB Aug 28, 2019 04:20 AM
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No, a lost wallet with ID in it remains the property of its' owner. You do not become its' owner and inparticular you do not become the owner of the ID and credit cards. If you use them you face felony prosecution.

gummybear Aug 27, 2019 05:42 PM
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Leave Captain Underpants and his stuff alone! He is a very cool and interesting guy with some issues. He has been around for a long time now. You all should get to know him and show some compassion.

oceandrew Aug 27, 2019 06:55 PM
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I agree. All this whining and wailing is much ado about nothing, in my opinion... your mileage may vary of course. Tearing your hair out and wailing at City Hall because tourists are offended or family members don't want to come back to visit you is just hyperbolic hysteria.

Ehdat Aug 27, 2019 05:20 PM
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Well it has been proven that the government has its hands tied, so where are the other 90,000 citizens to help out. Pretty sure if a couple people rolled up in their truck, removed all the stuff, they would not be met with any Police resistance. Any takers? I'm sure the restaurant would give you a free refreshment or two as a reward.

d8vanilla Aug 27, 2019 05:13 PM
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Wowie ..... there's a lot of comments !!!! Not gonna read them all....well...maybe later I will.... Here's my comment..... Be pro-active and remove the stuff yourself. Or, first, leave a big BIG note on the stuff, saying its gonna get removed tomorrow......... then, if the pile is still there the next day.....YOU make it go away. It looks like abandoned property... Trash begets Trash...... if there's stuff there, then more stuff will be put there. it's the laws of nature.

a-1569194254 Aug 27, 2019 06:42 PM
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So there have been court decisions that require a municipality or state government to post the property of homeless individuals, which this is, with a 72 hour warning. If the homeless person fails to move it within that time, THEN the government, and only the government, are authorized to remove it. I haven't seen a court case of a private citizen 'stealing' homeless property left on a sidewalk, but perhaps you could be that litmus test case for us.

John Swepston Aug 27, 2019 04:44 PM
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With a little bit more cardboard the homeless could build a village and live there to enjoy the view.

biguglystick Aug 28, 2019 10:25 AM
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Rex, you win this whole thread. Those heinous developments out in Goleta will ensure that the 101 will be clogged forevermore. Ushering in thousands more people from out of town to attend the OVER-enrolled UCSB. It's a damned shame. Goleta's pro-growth city council has ruined that once pristene area. Sad.

Factotum Aug 27, 2019 04:17 PM
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City controls storage of junk on private property - why do we have two systems of justice - private junk storage and public junk storage. SBMC 28.87.190 Storage. A. No portion of any front yard or any required interior setback, open yard, private outdoor living space or front porch shall be used for the permanent storage of motor vehicles, trailers, airplanes, boats, parts of any of the foregoing, appliances, loose rubbish or garbage, junk, tents, garbage or rubbish receptacles, building materials, compost pile, or any similar item, except as hereinafter provided. Permanent storage, as used in this section, shall mean storage for a period of 48 or more consecutive hours. B. No portion of any vacant or undeveloped lot in a residential zone where no main building exists shall be used for permanent storage.

a-1569194254 Aug 29, 2019 07:50 PM
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Please, please, PLEASE drive out to Chandler Rd in Goleta (south of Hollister, across from SMHS) and tell me how in the heck those people (you'll know the yard when you see it, trust me) are allowed to keep their front yard looking like the dump on a bad day. Every time I drive past there, I see more crap piled on. It really is a wonder how that's allowed.

RHS Aug 28, 2019 12:12 PM
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These simplistic analogies fail. If the city cites someone for illegal storage on their property the city is not allowed to come in and seize the property and destroy it! Boy would you Tea Party folks get upset by such a suggestion. Why does this Constitutional protection from such act not apply to the poor and unhoused? The answer is it does apply and the courts have consistently so ruled.

biguglystick Aug 28, 2019 10:28 AM
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You got that right! The cops will come and enforce the law for homeowners or renters in houses in a heartbeat, but there are homeless encampments all over town (especially concentrated by the coast and the 101 downtown) and they let them flourish! SHAMEFUL. This city needs to get their heads out of their collective butts and start doing something about the homeless camps and the trash from Fiesta and other big events.

Flicka Aug 27, 2019 04:16 PM
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So, if one of us dumped a bunch of junk we wanted to keep on a city street does it mean we have the right to leave it there? Do we have to be homeless to leave our junk on the sidewalk without of it being thrown away?

Factotum Aug 27, 2019 03:30 PM
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Downtown is newly annointed city councilperson Meghan Harmon's district. Contact her and send the photos. Do something. We don't have two systems of justice in this town; no matter what ACLU or any legal defense center tries to tell us.

PitMix Aug 27, 2019 03:04 PM
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People are blowing things way out of proportion. I was down at the wharf on Sunday, and there is no lack of tourists coming to our supposed pit toilet of a town. Restaurants are full, parking lots and the 101 are jammed, and housing prices are still sky high. Most tourists probably understand that they are not coming to Disneyland when they come here, and that the real world may intrude on them a bit while they are here. But they keep coming! TOT money keeps increasing! The sky is not falling.

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