July 4th Cartoon

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Babycakes Jul 05, 2022 11:48 AM
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GT: Ginsberg (RIP) certainly knew how to stir things up and a lot of people admire him for a number of reasons. As for myself, his association, support, and membership with NAMBLA is what bothered me. I take it that you are okay that he was a card-carrying member of NAMBLA and that does not bother you and others, but for me.....er, uhhhh....just a little to "icky" for me ad no bueno. To be fair though, late in his life he stted that he was wrong to be associated with NAMBLA for all of those years, and flatly denied that he was a "chickenhawk" (gay male with an insatiable desire for under-age boys).

MarcelK Jul 05, 2022 04:21 PM
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Chief liar here--their voice even--can't understand why he supports himself.

MarcelK Jul 05, 2022 05:17 PM
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"Russian collusion hoax"

ALWAYS LYING: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/partisan-claims-of-russia-hoax-revived-ahead-of-2020-election/

MarcelK Jul 05, 2022 05:44 PM
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"The amount of misinformation and propaganda you continually post is astounding. Do you think if you keep repeating it over and over it will be true?"

Classic projection. VOLies has been falsely claiming that Russian collusion was a "hoax" ever since he showed up here, and regularly asserts such absurdities as "These days the hate it only coming from one side, the other half learned how to live and let live" -- yeah, Robert Crimo III has learned to live and let live. The folks at Jan 6 and at Trump rallies wearing T-shirts saying “Death to Liberals”, “RWDS” (“Right Wing Death Squad”), “Rope. Tree. Journalist. Some assembly required”, and all sorts of vile antisemitic and racist messages have learned to live and let live. Tucker Carlson, whose show has been characterized by researchers as the most racist TV show in history, has learned to live and let live. The people--including GOP members of Congress--who hounded the woman at the head of Homeland Security's board to develop best practices to fight disinformation out of her job with doxxing, vile threats against her and her family, the most horrendous misogynist attacks imaginable--these people have learned to live and let live. All those Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and survivalists practicing in the woods, waiting for the day when they are told it's ok to start killing the libs--they have learned to live and let live.

We oppose the right wing not because we are hateful people, but because they are.

Voice of Reason Jul 06, 2022 09:27 AM
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The DOJ Durham and Muller investigations disagree with you and that partisan ‘fact check’.

SantaBarbaraObserver Jul 06, 2022 09:35 AM
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LOL - You cant even spell his name! Obviously you never read the report. Instead, you just repeat what your talk show hosts, charlatans and demagogues tell you.
Imagine being this gullible? Imagine spending your life trying to convince random strangers on the internet you're smart and educated but you never actually read or studied the very thing you're tying to disprove? Yeah, that's the path... Clown.

MarcelK Jul 06, 2022 12:29 PM
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I don't think it's gullibility ... rather moral corruption, a lack of scruples, a deep fundamental dishonesty, so he cherry picks madly and declares an objective fact check "partisan" without even reading it and refuting none of it (especially the GOP Senate's own report that found collusion), while absurdly referring to Durham who was hand-picked by Bill Barr for partisan purposes but still came up empty, and refers to Mueller whose report he's never set eyes on and knows nothing about other than Barr's misrepresentation of its findings that even the very cautious regulation-bound Mueller was compelled to call out. It's not gullibility, it's transparently dishonest despicable deplorable behavior and the only people who side with him are the same. He lies by rote, which is why I don't engage in extensive back-and-forths with him like some silly people here; I occasionally point out his more egregious lies and then move on. Of course he will continue to tell the lie--directly channeling Trump--that there was a "Russian collusion hoax" ... it's what fundamentally bad people do.

Maui Jeff Jul 04, 2022 05:07 PM
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Oops that's Billion, with a B.

GeneralTree Jul 04, 2022 09:50 PM
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Can't even enjoy a 4th of July parade without a right wing shooter. "While Mr. Crimo's social media is relatively blank, he has "liked" a few tweets that indicate he may have political leanings to the right." Of course he leaned to "the right".

sacjon Jul 05, 2022 02:49 PM
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BASIC - which is it? Truth hurts or you anti-First Amendment now?

Basicinfo805 Jul 05, 2022 02:55 PM
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I hate the constant arguments and anti-social commentary we’re seeing here. I like that we all can debate points but most of these cartoons are just provoking unproductive me vs. you hateful computer “dialogue” of you know what I mean. I think it’s intended to be polarizing.

sacjon Jul 05, 2022 03:04 PM
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BASIC - I get it, but this is something that SHOULD be argued about and commented on. The Supreme Court of our country (the one we all refer to as "land of the free" and the "greatest nation on earth" etc etc) has just allowed the States to completely ban and outlaw womens' right to choose what happens with their own body. This SHOULD cause outrage. We can't just hide our heads in the sand and pretend it's hunky dory, especially if you're a woman in TX, OK, SD, LA, KY or LGBQT in any of those states plus Florida. Not all Americans are "free" anymore. It's time to stand and demand action.

MarcelK Jul 05, 2022 04:19 PM
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Such hypocrisy. There would be less of what you're complaining about if you stopped posting.

MarcelK Jul 05, 2022 09:46 PM
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"Can these cartoons." "I'm for free speech." "You're way off"

Right wingers lie ... it's fundamental to their nature.

Voice of Reason Jul 06, 2022 09:24 AM
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More hate and projection.

sacjon Jul 06, 2022 09:53 AM
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VOICE - name one "hateful" thing that was said to Basic.

Voice of Reason Jul 06, 2022 03:37 PM
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For example, this is a lie: “ allowed the States to completely ban and outlaw womens' right to choose what happens with their own body.” the States don’t get to decide anything, the people decide by voting for legislators they support, who draft and vote on legislation for the State. Just like SCOTUS didn’t ban abortion, but put it back on legislators (who are elected by the people) at both the state and federal level, to do their job and actually pass abortion rights legislation the people want. Why is that such a difficult concept to understand?

sacjon Jul 06, 2022 06:54 PM
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If the majority in your state vote to elect someone who takes away their right to choose, then those who didn't vote for that person had NO CHOICE in the matter. Simple, brainless, easy logic. Why is that such a difficult concept to understand?

Basicinfo805 Jul 05, 2022 05:38 PM
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And sacjon to answer your question, it’s NEITHER - you’re way off. I’m pro choice and pro free speech.

sacjon Jul 05, 2022 05:42 PM
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BASIC - What am I "off" on? I never said you were either, just wondering why you wanted to stop these cartoons. That's great that you are those things you say. I'm glad you support women's right to choose what to do with their own bodies!

Basicinfo805 Jul 05, 2022 05:55 PM
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You’re off on your statement: “which is it: Truth hurts or you’re anti-First amendment now?”.

sacjon Jul 05, 2022 06:05 PM
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BASIC - It was not a "statement," it was a question asking whether you were anti-choice or anti-speech. Maybe it came off testy, but I honestly wanted to know why you would suggest ending these cartoons and the social commentary they provide. Again, glad to hear you are pro-choice and pro-speech.

FernaldPoint93108 Jul 05, 2022 06:20 PM
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Someone needs to start Edhate.com. It would be popular.

sacjon Jul 05, 2022 06:25 PM
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FERNALD - yep, be a lot of commenters here from both sides on there. Funny how some here consider challenging an extremists comment as "hate."

sacjon Jul 05, 2022 06:30 PM
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my bad - *extremist comment," not "extremists"

Voice of Reason Jul 06, 2022 09:23 AM
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You’re not being honest with yourself if you don’t see the hate coming from a few of the regular posters here. It’s still hate even if you agree with it.

sacjon Jul 06, 2022 09:55 AM
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VOICE - Oh I never said there's no hate coming from my side, never said that once, not at all, never. BUT.... YOU said there is absolutely ZERO hate on your side. That is what I've called you a liar (once again) for saying. You know it, we all know it.

You really struggle with absolutes. Work on it.

sacjon Jul 06, 2022 10:07 AM
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"I only see hate coming from one side." - VOICE JUL 05, 2022 03:08 PM

"These days the hate it [sic] only coming from one side," - VOICE JUL 04, 2022 09:59 AM

" the lefty commentators who constantly spew hate, condescension and insults here but it’s never reciprocated but [sic] the more conservative posters." - VOICE (playing possum) JUL 04, 2022 04:32 PM

Voice of Reason Jul 06, 2022 11:30 AM
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If you are going to quote me, quote me in full, don’t cut out half a sentence to suite your argument: “In reading comments on EdHat I only see hate coming from one side.”

sacjon Jul 06, 2022 11:58 AM
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VOICE - haha nice try, but adding that changes nothing. My whole argument is that you lied and said you ONLY see hate from the left here.

The whole point of my DIRECT QUOTES of you is to show you how many times you said there is "ONLY" hate from the left here and "NEVER" from the conservative posters.

Keep trying to downplay it, but you LIED, not twice, but THRICE!

Voice of Reason Jul 06, 2022 03:30 PM
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I don’t think you know what “lied” means and cutting off half a sentence certainly changes its meaning.

sacjon Jul 06, 2022 04:43 PM
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Here are the "full sentences" you keep whining about. Now, tell us how these aren't INTENTIONALLY FALSE STATEMENTS.

"In reading comments on EdHat I only see hate coming from one side."

"These days the hate it only coming from one side, the other half learned how to live and let live."

"While the extremes on the right certainly have their hate, hate and intolerance has taken over the left.it’s even evident on EdHat, the lefty commentators who constantly spew hate, condescension and insults here but it’s never reciprocated but the more conservative posters."

There you go. You're entire comments. We're all waiting to see how you explain these are true and NOT intentionally false statements.

It's really your last chance to redeem yourself. You've been proven to be lying over and over again, yet you say I don't understand the word. Explain it or accept that you've be outed.

edney Jul 06, 2022 11:57 PM
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Fernald It is already popular by a different name

SantaBarbaraObserver Jul 07, 2022 08:11 AM
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Once again your lack of understanding has led you astray. You seem to think hating on fascists, zealots, liars and and a holes is a bad thing... It is not. Good people hate those things.
The feelings that you one is a victim are a result of their misguided understanding of life, people, as well as a general lack of empathy and social intelligence. Mix this with a lower than average IQ and you get: A whiney, self-created victim, who is desperate for validation and attention. (persecution fetish). Sound familiar? It is very familiar for those of us who have read your posts.
We are truly sorry your mom didn't hug you enough but at this age, you should take some personal responsibility and solve these deep psychological issues yourself. Go ahead and pick yourself up by the bootstraps and do the work. Pay the experts, learn from your mistake, have some courage and be a man.

sacjon Jul 05, 2022 06:28 PM
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BASIC - the more you kinda bitch and moan about my question, the more I'm starting to think you're really NOT as pro-choice OR pro-speech as you might think you are. I mean, asking for a cartoonist to stop being published is not super pro-free speech, so......

edney Jul 06, 2022 05:11 PM
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Please look at the map at this link and tell me more about those first world nations?
The map is for the Center for Reproductive rights

Canada On request but regulation varies by territory
USA No Federal Ban, States vary from 0-9 months pending legislation
Mexico Varies by State
China Varies by region

Look at their gestational limits. Most first world countries put some restrictions on abortion 12-18 weeks after gestation
Mississippi had restrictions after 15 months. CA currently is at 24 months which is less restrictive than any countries other than Japan, Great Britain, Finland, India which have no limits at all which is similar to VT, CO and Alaska

a-1657166108 Jul 06, 2022 08:55 PM
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5:11 - Wow! What are those 15 and 24 month gestation limits for? Blue whales? You're obviously a meticulous gatherer of statistics!

bicyclist Jul 06, 2022 09:33 PM
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I believe this is/was in reference to the Cartoon:
"July 4th Cartoon "

edney Jul 06, 2022 11:55 PM
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sacjon was the one talking about first world countries, abortion and gestational liimits.
I was just pointing out that she had gestational limits all twisted around. Almost all developed countries have some limits on abortions past 12-18 weeks after gestation with the exception of those I noted.
I'm not sure why people can't celebrate that our freedom... even for abortion, exceeds that of most developed first world nations. I even included a link to a map from the Center of Reproductive Rights... hardly a right wing enterprise.
Left wing people here say some ignorant crap and then mock the facts from intelligent sources from their own side.

sacjon Jul 07, 2022 09:54 AM
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EDNEY and BASIC - how many Jon's do you know that are women? Seriously. Referring to a man as a "she" or "girl" when it's clear they are not is really pathetic and childish. Grow up guys.

sacjon Jul 07, 2022 10:05 AM
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EDNEY - and further, to counter your "point," the article you posted was written before the overturn so the USA's status is not correct. In fact, look at the actual headline of the article.... "The U.S. Is Poised to Be a Global Outlier on Abortion"

Further, the map you keep boasting about on this source from our "own side" is outdated. Take a look at it now: https://reproductiverights.org/maps/worlds-abortion-laws/?category[1352]=1352

America is now "PA" - "Prohibited Altogether." No other "First World" country shares that status.

So, your self congratulation and excitement that you "got me" or whatever you're boasting about, is WRONG and based on MISINFORMATION. Nice try though!

edney Jul 06, 2022 06:34 PM
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I'm not against free speech, just don't like humorless cartoons

edney Jul 07, 2022 12:10 AM
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This is great
Mock me about gestational limits?
Click on the blue countries. Center for Reproductive Rights defines Abortion rights by gestational period.
Generally speaking, if you are pro abortion rights, you want the gestation week limit to be higher, not lower. ie: 12 week and the government has questions is 2X more restrictive than 24 weeks and the government has questions.
The courts in the US have held that 12 weeks is not enough time for some women to figure out they are pregnant and the Supreme Court did not change that so I expect most US states to legislate abortion rights into a range similar to the rest of the first world as outlined in the linked map

sacjon Jul 07, 2022 10:08 AM
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ENDEY - we're ALL mocking you now for saying "USA No Federal Ban" and "our freedom... even for abortion, exceeds that of most developed first world nations."

"I even included a link to a map from the Center of Reproductive Rights... hardly a right wing enterprise." - No, you didn't. You included a link to the outdated article with a pre-overturn map.

Here's the link to the actual map: https://reproductiverights.org/maps/worlds-abortion-laws/


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