Fitz, it is unfortunate, but such grotesque and hateful displays of the American flag have actually been going on for a long time. Below is an example from the early 20th century. What a menacing sight! For many, the sight of this flag brings on tremendous pain and suffering. Displaying the American flag is literally an act of violence. One might suggest some kind of common sense flag safety legislation to put reasonable limits on displaying this symbol of oppression, but judging by the recent decisions from our Supreme Court they would probably come up with a way to claim the display of our flag counts as free speech. Crazy!
CHIP - You and FITZ should get together to protect yourselves from "the grotesque and hateful displays of the American flag - this symbol of oppression - [that] brings on pain and suffering." The SC has made a ruling relative to our flag. You can burn it as a manner of symbolic speech. Go for it. Exorcise your demons. Pray tell, where do you people come from?
CHIP - You and FITZ should get together to protect yourselves from "the grotesque and hateful displays of the American flag - this symbol of oppression - [that] brings on pain and suffering." The SC has made a ruling relative to our flag. You can burn it as a manner of symbolic speech. Go for it. Get a torch and exorcise your demons. Pray tell, where do you people come from?
Doulie: I do see this use of large flags flapping from the sides of loud trucks driven by some young men in my area not as patriotism but aggression. People, including our family, are flying flags in front of their homes. I believe that is a more traditional show of patriotism. But huge flags attached to trucks that are gunning their motors and beeping their horns is a whole different use of the flag. No, Doulie, I won't stay home today. I am heading off for a family 4th of July bbq. My family has always celebrated the 4th. I can remember the one 4th of July celebration right after my husband came home from Vietnam after being blown up by a mine. No, doulie, we will not stay home today. We will celebrate in our own quiet way.
Doulie: I do see this use of large flags flapping from the sides of loud trucks driven by some young men in my area not as patriotism but aggression. People, including our family, are flying flags in front of their homes. I believe that is a more traditional show of patriotism. But huge flags attached to trucks that are gunning their motors and beeping their horns is a whole different use of the flag. No, Doulie, I won't stay home today. I am heading off for a family 4th of July bbq. My family has always celebrated the 4th. I can remember the one 4th of July celebration right after my husband came home from Vietnam after being blown up by a mine. No, doulie, we will not stay home today. We will celebrate in our own quiet way.
FITZ - A hearty "Welcome Home" (from Vietnam) for your husband. People these days don't always follow "traditional" ways of celebrating everything. I'm not concerned about the youngsters manner in which they celebrated the 4th of July with flags and their trucks. But, my BP does rise significantly when I see protesters burning and defacing the US flag in other ways and there's nothing that can (legally) be done. Enjoy your day.
Chip "hateful displays of the American flag have actually been going on for a long time. " Like when the far right extremists used flag poles designed as spears to attack Capitol Police?
While the extremes on the right certainly have their hate, hate and intolerance has taken over the left.it’s even evident on EdHat, the lefty commentators who constantly spew hate, condescension and insults here but it’s never reciprocated but the more conservative posters.
VOICE at 4:32 - "spew hate, condescension and insults" - aside from MarcelK, what comments are you talking about? And are you seriously saying you never spew "condescension?" LOL! That's the essence of nearly every single comment you type!
VOICE - "but it’s never reciprocated by [sic] the more conservative posters." - Voice oh VOICE.... how many times do I have to tell you to avoid absolutes? Your comment is now a lie. It's meant to deceive.
SBLOCAL - every single comment he makes uses "libtard" at least once.
LUCKY777 - every single deleted comment bashing minorities and/or LGBQT
Tried searching for more examples, but they're in the penalty box so it's not so easy.
Bottom line: To say conservative posters "never" spew hate (LUCKY77), condescension (YOU Voice, looking at every comment YOU write) and insults (SBLOCAL) is an outright, verifiable LIE.
VOICE - "These days the hate is [sic] only coming from one side," ---- good lord man, you keep doubling down, don't you? YOU ARE LYING. Have some darn dignity dude. You are clearly delusional to think there is NO, ZERO, NONE hate coming from the right. How do you explain the blatant acts of racism by your former president? The policies enacted to prohibit discussion of LGBQT issues? Right-wing domestic terrorists? Like what the fudge planet are you even on? Sure, there's hate on the left. I hate racists and people who defend them. But to say there is ZERO hate from the right is just a freaking JOKE and a LIE.
"These days the hate it only coming from one side, the other half learned how to live and let live."
Lies as always. I could talk about "Rally for the Right" shouting "Jews will not replace us" and running over Heather Heyer, or Robert Crimo III murdering parade goers, or thousands upon thousands of examples of right wing hate, but what's the point? Evil people will continue to deny it.
This is a time to celebrate what arguable the best country to live in. Are we perfect no, but who is? Do we have a blemished troubled past, yes we do. Tell me what other country you would want to live in. So don’t celebrate the 4 th, no one will miss you not being there. Speaking of the USSC, it is not a legislative body. Congress makes the laws. The Supremes rightly turned the action on abortion back to the legislatures, be they state or federal. It took a court decision to maybe get the Congress off their asses and pass legislation making abortion a right. Do you think they’ll do that? They have had years to act but they haven’t, so why now? They are more concerned about reelection and keeping their jobs than in passing controversial legislation. Thank God they were not around in 1776 or we would have still been under the rule of the crown. Happy 4th
Personally I really dislike having to maneuver around the walking dead of mentally ill, drug addicted, and economically destroyed that clog our city streets.
I've been many places in the world with less money and resources and very few homeless.
Let's just start there. "Arguably the best." Literal LOL.
"Are we perfect no, but who is?" - Well, those countries that don't have neo-nazis and other miscreants running around with legally purchased semi-auto military rifles and that allow women to chose what happens to their own bodies are bit better off than us, I'd say.
"Tell me what other country you would want to live in. " - See the answer above. Any one of those.
"The Supremes rightly turned the action on abortion back to the legislatures, be they state or federal." - So, question for you now - do you truly believe a woman's right to choose should not be a constitutionally protected right?
Yeah..... maybe some people have a different idea of the "land of the free" than you do.
How is displaying our country's flag interpreted as "HATEFUL"...? This is what I am referring to as freedoms being eroded by a whacked out "progressive" thought /mind speak... George Owell's 1984 comes to mind. Across College /University campuses, it is forbidden to think or verbally suggest any alternative to the progressives POV. There is no acceptance of conservative values or beliefs on these once "free thought" higher educational platforms... The indoctrination of our students begins in grade school and continues through college to think a certain way and follow the " societial norms" OR BE CANCELLED. That is how are freedoms are eroding.
" The indoctrination of our students begins in grade school " that is a statement from someone that is truly lost. In Florida teachers are ripping down rainbows from their classrooms for fear of prosecution.
Well, Coastwatch, if you think about it, and I sort of doubt you do, all flags are inherently hateful. Flags originated as markings to be worn to sort out who you were supposed to murder on the battlefield. They are by their very nature, separatist, divisive, exclusionary, anti-human, as they encourage and demand that people identify with one group over all others, which is obviously something that creates violence.
To Salsaguy: "arguable [sic] the best country to live in" You don't get around much, do you? "Do we have a blemished, troubled past" Boy you sure know how to whitewash things. Try using that terminology when you have your first conversation with a Black person about their "troubled past". Blemished, your white hood is showing.
I think it's important to point out that most other first world countries have national laws concerning abortion that would be considered pretty restrictive by American pro-abortion activists.
SBDUDE - which ones? Germany just overturned their post-12 week ban. Britain allows it unconditionally up to 24 weeks. Canada has no restrictions. India is unconditional up to 20 weeks. Even Ireland with its heavy Catholic influence allows it for any reason up until 12 weeks, with exceptions after that. Denmark up to 12 weeks no conditions. Netherlands legal up to 24 weeks no conditions. Sweden legal up to 18 weeks no conditions.
So please, what other "first world countries" are more restrictive than the US (which now allows the criminalization of abortions at any stage with no exceptions for rape, incest, risk to the mother, etc)?
Does waving too many American Flags make you a patriot? I protested the War in Viet Nam because is was immoral and horrible. I considered myself to be a patriot and I'm still a Patriot. I have an American flag waving in front of my house today, but I want our planet to survive. I'm an earthling first, then an American. How can Trump pretend to be patriot and try to steal our democracy? How can Trump set up his social media network and call it Truth. Everyone knows it's LIES, LIES, LIES. He is the liar swamp dweller who took us all to be suckers and losers while he raised a quarter of a $Million from his believers to LIE, LIE, LIE. I believe in the America of Truth, Justice and the American Way, based on Truth, Justice and Science... Get a grip.
Such a hypocrite to scream LIES, LIES, LIES at only one political party, president or politician. All are equally deplorable on this front, which for the life of me I can’t understand why people continue to support the liars that want to give themselves more power and control over our lives.
"All are equally deplorable" yet only one promotes the lie of a rigged election and urged supporters (that he knew was armed) on to the capitol. Glad to see you stopped posting anonymous today.
VOICE supports the most neo-nazi far right garbage and always has. Always defending the proud boys, Trump, and the intrinsically most evil garbage of this world. but you do you. See you on the field.
Under the World There's a Lot of A%#, a Lot of %&$#
a lot of mouths and $$*#
under the world there's a lot of #&@^, and a lot of saliva dripping into brooks,
There's a lot of #&#& under the world, flowing beneath cities into rivers,
a lot of urine floating under the world,
a lot of snot in the world's industrial nostrils, sweat under world's iron arm, blood
gushing out of the world's breast,
endless lakes of tears, seas of sick vomit rushing between the hemispheres
floating towards Sargasso, old oily rags and brake fluids, human gasoline--
Under the world there's pain, fractured thighs, napalm burning in black hair, phosphorus eating elbows to bone
insectiside contaminating oceantide, plastic dolls floating across Atlantic,
Toy soldiers crowding the Pacific, B-52 bombers choking jungle air with vaportrails and brilliant flares
Robot drones careening over rice terraces dropping cluster grenades, plastic pellets spray into flesh, dragontooth mines & jellied fires fall on straw roofs and water buffalos,
perforating village huts with barbed shrapnel, trenchpits filled with fuel-gas-poisen'd explosive powders--
Under the world there's broken skulls, crushed feet, cut eyeballs, severed fingers, slashed jaws,
Dysentry, homeless millions, tortured hearts, empty souls.
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Jul 04, 2022 07:21 AMFitz, it is unfortunate, but such grotesque and hateful displays of the American flag have actually been going on for a long time. Below is an example from the early 20th century. What a menacing sight! For many, the sight of this flag brings on tremendous pain and suffering. Displaying the American flag is literally an act of violence. One might suggest some kind of common sense flag safety legislation to put reasonable limits on displaying this symbol of oppression, but judging by the recent decisions from our Supreme Court they would probably come up with a way to claim the display of our flag counts as free speech. Crazy!
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/405324035196844081/
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Jul 04, 2022 08:08 AMFITZ - If you're intimidated by the American flag best you stay inside today. There is nothing illegal about this display of patriotism.
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Jul 04, 2022 08:24 AMCHIP - You and FITZ should get together to protect yourselves from "the grotesque and hateful displays of the American flag - this symbol of oppression - [that] brings on pain and suffering." The SC has made a ruling relative to our flag. You can burn it as a manner of symbolic speech. Go for it. Exorcise your demons. Pray tell, where do you people come from?
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Jul 04, 2022 08:28 AMCHIP - You and FITZ should get together to protect yourselves from "the grotesque and hateful displays of the American flag - this symbol of oppression - [that] brings on pain and suffering." The SC has made a ruling relative to our flag. You can burn it as a manner of symbolic speech. Go for it. Get a torch and exorcise your demons. Pray tell, where do you people come from?
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Jul 04, 2022 10:28 AMDoulie: I do see this use of large flags flapping from the sides of loud trucks driven by some young men in my area not as patriotism but aggression. People, including our family, are flying flags in front of their homes. I believe that is a more traditional show of patriotism. But huge flags attached to trucks that are gunning their motors and beeping their horns is a whole different use of the flag. No, Doulie, I won't stay home today. I am heading off for a family 4th of July bbq. My family has always celebrated the 4th. I can remember the one 4th of July celebration right after my husband came home from Vietnam after being blown up by a mine. No, doulie, we will not stay home today. We will celebrate in our own quiet way.
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Jul 04, 2022 10:29 AMDoulie: I do see this use of large flags flapping from the sides of loud trucks driven by some young men in my area not as patriotism but aggression. People, including our family, are flying flags in front of their homes. I believe that is a more traditional show of patriotism. But huge flags attached to trucks that are gunning their motors and beeping their horns is a whole different use of the flag. No, Doulie, I won't stay home today. I am heading off for a family 4th of July bbq. My family has always celebrated the 4th. I can remember the one 4th of July celebration right after my husband came home from Vietnam after being blown up by a mine. No, doulie, we will not stay home today. We will celebrate in our own quiet way.
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Jul 04, 2022 11:43 AMFITZ - A hearty "Welcome Home" (from Vietnam) for your husband. People these days don't always follow "traditional" ways of celebrating everything. I'm not concerned about the youngsters manner in which they celebrated the 4th of July with flags and their trucks. But, my BP does rise significantly when I see protesters burning and defacing the US flag in other ways and there's nothing that can (legally) be done. Enjoy your day.
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Jul 04, 2022 11:07 PMChip "hateful displays of the American flag have actually been going on for a long time. " Like when the far right extremists used flag poles designed as spears to attack Capitol Police?
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Jul 04, 2022 07:22 AMThis country is divided by hatred. So why celebrate the 4th? Americans against Americans.
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Jul 04, 2022 09:59 AMThese days the hate it only coming from one side, the other half learned how to live and let live.
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Jul 04, 2022 10:06 AMCome on. The hate is strong on both sides, if you don' understand that you are a big part of the problem.
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Jul 04, 2022 04:32 PMWhile the extremes on the right certainly have their hate, hate and intolerance has taken over the left.it’s even evident on EdHat, the lefty commentators who constantly spew hate, condescension and insults here but it’s never reciprocated but the more conservative posters.
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Jul 04, 2022 05:36 PM4:32 - You certainly have embraced the fantasy alternate reality world if you think that.
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Jul 04, 2022 09:00 PMSacjon must be on vacation so I'll regulate.... That is probably the dumbest statement I've ever read on this forum.
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Jul 05, 2022 11:43 AMGT - haha thanks! Nope, I just make it a point not to be on the computer during the weekend! I needed some outside time lol!
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Jul 05, 2022 12:04 PMVOICE at 4:32 - "spew hate, condescension and insults" - aside from MarcelK, what comments are you talking about? And are you seriously saying you never spew "condescension?" LOL! That's the essence of nearly every single comment you type!
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Jul 05, 2022 01:48 PMVOICE - "but it’s never reciprocated by [sic] the more conservative posters." - Voice oh VOICE.... how many times do I have to tell you to avoid absolutes? Your comment is now a lie. It's meant to deceive.
SBLOCAL - every single comment he makes uses "libtard" at least once.
LUCKY777 - every single deleted comment bashing minorities and/or LGBQT
Tried searching for more examples, but they're in the penalty box so it's not so easy.
Bottom line: To say conservative posters "never" spew hate (LUCKY77), condescension (YOU Voice, looking at every comment YOU write) and insults (SBLOCAL) is an outright, verifiable LIE.
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Jul 05, 2022 01:54 PMVOICE - "These days the hate is [sic] only coming from one side," ---- good lord man, you keep doubling down, don't you? YOU ARE LYING. Have some darn dignity dude. You are clearly delusional to think there is NO, ZERO, NONE hate coming from the right. How do you explain the blatant acts of racism by your former president? The policies enacted to prohibit discussion of LGBQT issues? Right-wing domestic terrorists? Like what the fudge planet are you even on? Sure, there's hate on the left. I hate racists and people who defend them. But to say there is ZERO hate from the right is just a freaking JOKE and a LIE.
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Jul 05, 2022 03:08 PMIn reading comments on EdHat I only see hate coming from one side.
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Jul 05, 2022 03:10 PMYes, you usually have your blinders on.
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Jul 05, 2022 03:14 PMVOICE - then you can't read English. Explain SBLOCAL. Explain LUCK777. Explain RUPERT JOHNSON. Forgot about that guy!
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Jul 05, 2022 03:16 PMExplain yourSELF. Almost every single comment you post is rife with "condescension."
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Jul 05, 2022 03:57 PMVor: *Posts abject nonsense*
Other posters: *reasonable opposition and annoyance*
Vor: "Everybody hates me!! Wahh"
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Jul 05, 2022 04:26 PM"In reading comments on EdHat I only see hate coming from one side."
Lies as always.
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Jul 05, 2022 04:32 PM"These days the hate it only coming from one side, the other half learned how to live and let live."
Lies as always. I could talk about "Rally for the Right" shouting "Jews will not replace us" and running over Heather Heyer, or Robert Crimo III murdering parade goers, or thousands upon thousands of examples of right wing hate, but what's the point? Evil people will continue to deny it.
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Jul 05, 2022 05:14 PMVODespicableness complains that he is despised.
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Jul 04, 2022 07:54 AMThis is a time to celebrate what arguable the best country to live in. Are we perfect no, but who is? Do we have a blemished troubled past, yes we do. Tell me what other country you would want to live in. So don’t celebrate the 4 th, no one will miss you not being there. Speaking of the USSC, it is not a legislative body. Congress makes the laws. The Supremes rightly turned the action on abortion back to the legislatures, be they state or federal. It took a court decision to maybe get the Congress off their asses and pass legislation making abortion a right. Do you think they’ll do that? They have had years to act but they haven’t, so why now? They are more concerned about reelection and keeping their jobs than in passing controversial legislation. Thank God they were not around in 1776 or we would have still been under the rule of the crown. Happy 4th
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Jul 04, 2022 07:59 AMMansplaining.
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Jul 04, 2022 10:10 AM"Arguably"
By what metrics?
Personally I really dislike having to maneuver around the walking dead of mentally ill, drug addicted, and economically destroyed that clog our city streets.
I've been many places in the world with less money and resources and very few homeless.
Let's just start there. "Arguably the best." Literal LOL.
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Jul 05, 2022 11:42 AM"Are we perfect no, but who is?" - Well, those countries that don't have neo-nazis and other miscreants running around with legally purchased semi-auto military rifles and that allow women to chose what happens to their own bodies are bit better off than us, I'd say.
"Tell me what other country you would want to live in. " - See the answer above. Any one of those.
"The Supremes rightly turned the action on abortion back to the legislatures, be they state or federal." - So, question for you now - do you truly believe a woman's right to choose should not be a constitutionally protected right?
Yeah..... maybe some people have a different idea of the "land of the free" than you do.
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Jul 04, 2022 08:28 AMHow is displaying our country's flag interpreted as "HATEFUL"...? This is what I am referring to as freedoms being eroded by a whacked out "progressive" thought /mind speak... George Owell's 1984 comes to mind. Across College /University campuses, it is forbidden to think or verbally suggest any alternative to the progressives POV. There is no acceptance of conservative values or beliefs on these once "free thought" higher educational platforms... The indoctrination of our students begins in grade school and continues through college to think a certain way and follow the " societial norms" OR BE CANCELLED. That is how are freedoms are eroding.
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Jul 04, 2022 04:28 PMBrought to you by the party of tolerance…..
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Jul 04, 2022 05:32 PMSome criminal acts are intolerable.
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Jul 04, 2022 05:39 PMFascists always bedeck themselves with flags and symbols to sway the simple-minded who don't look behind the displays.
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Jul 04, 2022 06:09 PMNon sequitur.
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Jul 04, 2022 08:58 PM" The indoctrination of our students begins in grade school " that is a statement from someone that is truly lost. In Florida teachers are ripping down rainbows from their classrooms for fear of prosecution.
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Jul 05, 2022 04:23 PMGeorge Orwell was a socialist (and progressive). He was not your friend or ally.
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Jul 05, 2022 09:50 PMWell, Coastwatch, if you think about it, and I sort of doubt you do, all flags are inherently hateful. Flags originated as markings to be worn to sort out who you were supposed to murder on the battlefield. They are by their very nature, separatist, divisive, exclusionary, anti-human, as they encourage and demand that people identify with one group over all others, which is obviously something that creates violence.
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Jul 04, 2022 09:46 AMTo Salsaguy: "arguable [sic] the best country to live in" You don't get around much, do you? "Do we have a blemished, troubled past" Boy you sure know how to whitewash things. Try using that terminology when you have your first conversation with a Black person about their "troubled past". Blemished, your white hood is showing.
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Jul 04, 2022 02:29 PMI think it's important to point out that most other first world countries have national laws concerning abortion that would be considered pretty restrictive by American pro-abortion activists.
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Jul 04, 2022 02:43 PMNope. Not the case. We are, especially now, much more restrictive.
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Jul 05, 2022 04:22 PMDude thinks it's important to point out that American women are complaining too much in his view.
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Jul 05, 2022 04:39 PMSBDUDE - which ones? Germany just overturned their post-12 week ban. Britain allows it unconditionally up to 24 weeks. Canada has no restrictions. India is unconditional up to 20 weeks. Even Ireland with its heavy Catholic influence allows it for any reason up until 12 weeks, with exceptions after that. Denmark up to 12 weeks no conditions. Netherlands legal up to 24 weeks no conditions. Sweden legal up to 18 weeks no conditions.
So please, what other "first world countries" are more restrictive than the US (which now allows the criminalization of abortions at any stage with no exceptions for rape, incest, risk to the mother, etc)?
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Jul 04, 2022 02:45 PMHappy 4th of July!!
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Jul 04, 2022 05:05 PMDoes waving too many American Flags make you a patriot? I protested the War in Viet Nam because is was immoral and horrible. I considered myself to be a patriot and I'm still a Patriot. I have an American flag waving in front of my house today, but I want our planet to survive. I'm an earthling first, then an American. How can Trump pretend to be patriot and try to steal our democracy? How can Trump set up his social media network and call it Truth. Everyone knows it's LIES, LIES, LIES. He is the liar swamp dweller who took us all to be suckers and losers while he raised a quarter of a $Million from his believers to LIE, LIE, LIE. I believe in the America of Truth, Justice and the American Way, based on Truth, Justice and Science... Get a grip.
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Jul 04, 2022 06:00 PMSuch a hypocrite to scream LIES, LIES, LIES at only one political party, president or politician. All are equally deplorable on this front, which for the life of me I can’t understand why people continue to support the liars that want to give themselves more power and control over our lives.
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Jul 04, 2022 06:07 PM6:00
You can't understand yourself? That makes your commentary a bit more understandable.
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Jul 04, 2022 08:57 PM"All are equally deplorable" yet only one promotes the lie of a rigged election and urged supporters (that he knew was armed) on to the capitol. Glad to see you stopped posting anonymous today.
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Jul 04, 2022 09:05 PMVOICE supports the most neo-nazi far right garbage and always has. Always defending the proud boys, Trump, and the intrinsically most evil garbage of this world. but you do you. See you on the field.
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Jul 04, 2022 09:42 PMUnder the World There's a Lot of A%#, a Lot of %&$#
a lot of mouths and $$*#
under the world there's a lot of #&@^, and a lot of saliva dripping into brooks,
There's a lot of #&#& under the world, flowing beneath cities into rivers,
a lot of urine floating under the world,
a lot of snot in the world's industrial nostrils, sweat under world's iron arm, blood
gushing out of the world's breast,
endless lakes of tears, seas of sick vomit rushing between the hemispheres
floating towards Sargasso, old oily rags and brake fluids, human gasoline--
Under the world there's pain, fractured thighs, napalm burning in black hair, phosphorus eating elbows to bone
insectiside contaminating oceantide, plastic dolls floating across Atlantic,
Toy soldiers crowding the Pacific, B-52 bombers choking jungle air with vaportrails and brilliant flares
Robot drones careening over rice terraces dropping cluster grenades, plastic pellets spray into flesh, dragontooth mines & jellied fires fall on straw roofs and water buffalos,
perforating village huts with barbed shrapnel, trenchpits filled with fuel-gas-poisen'd explosive powders--
Under the world there's broken skulls, crushed feet, cut eyeballs, severed fingers, slashed jaws,
Dysentry, homeless millions, tortured hearts, empty souls.
April 1973
(Allen Ginsberg)
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