Hundreds Show Up for Impromptu Abortion Rights Rally Tuesday

Texas and Florida will need to fix their corrupted foster care systems - full of child abusers and predators. We're going to really see how backwoods those states are.

337pm - I’m intrigued! What inconsistencies did you see?

GT - An intriguing accusation! What are you basing that on… general hatred of Florida or actually something concrete?

Sorry con is this a joke? Ectopic pregnancy cannot survive. I believe there is one case in history. So exactly what are you proposing? Do us all a favor and get educated why don’t you!

Con you are really under my skin! How do you think we can not “kill the baby” in an ectopic pregnancy? Move it? You are pure ignorance!

Oak you’re approaching this from a 100% emotional standpoint because of your history. And I respect that. All I am saying is that we should be doing everything we can to keep babies alive. If ectopic pregnancies are not viable due to the location, that is certainly something to be addressed. There is a loud faction of the Dem party that is saying you should be able to have an abortion up until the point of birth, and some small factions say even post birth. That is just satanic in my view

Duke - I actually love Florida - been there many times. Have always thought I might retire there some day. Not with the current government - I couldn't in good conscience. Yes, absolutely concrete evidence
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2021/03/18/foster-care-children-starved-beaten-molested-florida-reports-show/6782615002/

https://www.rawstory.com/abortion-infant-mortality-foster-care/

https://www.wftv.com/news/local/9-investigates-floridas-foster-care-failures-why-system-is-so-hard-change/2MQNL3AM35EWFAUMYLG6KN32AI/

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/04/texas-foster-care-children-deaths/

https://www.tpr.org/government-politics/2022-01-12/texas-foster-care-in-crisis-after-a-decade-in-litigation-and-5-years-under-federal-oversight

Thanks for the links Gt… I actually do appreciate them! A quick search though of California’s foster care system pops up a lot of issues too. I think it’s more of a national than state issue…we don’t do all that well (as a nation) by our fostered Youth.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but It’s national my good man. Corruption and failure are our collective issue…. Not just a red OR blue state one.

https://centerforhealthjournalism.org/2013/12/24/series-details-abuse-california%E2%80%99s-foster-care-system?amp

Duke - The Texas foster care system has been under Federal regulation for 5 years - but you do you.

GT - and a quick good search turns up California struggling too. It’s time to realist that not everything is a partisan issue. As per the below link:

“The federal government has given California bad marks on monitoring the well-being of children in foster care. State officials were slow to investigate complaints of abuse or neglect, failed to notify investigators of serious sexual abuse allegations and didn’t follow up to ensure cases were resolved, according to an audit released late Monday by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Inspector General.”

https://californiahealthline.org/news/federal-audit-gives-california-poor-marks-on-monitoring-the-welfare-of-foster-children/

CONSERVATIVESB - just curious, who is advocating for post-birth abortions? Where did you read/hear that?

SACJON - How is leaving the abortion decision up to each state "not OK?" What answer are you afraid of? The sooner people get their representatives to write legislation to be voted on the sooner the question is answered by individual states and everyone goes about their business. There will be those that choose to murder their child and those that don't.

1198 - Biden is as much Catholic as I am Satan. Associate Justice Barrett is a Catholic and I suspect her personal belief might sway her vote. Would you rather have nine SC Justice's decide the law or millions of people throughout their states decide the abortion issue?

DOULIE - "How is leaving the abortion decision up to each state "not OK?"" Take a look at the laws in Texas and Oklahoma trying to ban abortion after 6 weeks. Think about how quickly they will enact laws outright criminalizing abortion at any stage. They're just waiting for Roe v. Wade to go away so they can enact them. You insist on forgetting (or deliberately ignoring) the women who will be affected by this.

Since you're a "abortion is murder" person, answer me this: Do you support free universal maternal care? Do you complain about taxes going to pay for welfare, public education, free afterschool childcare, etc? How about government funded public pre-schools? Free healthcare for young families? What about pregnant illegal immigrants? Do they get the same benefits?

It isn't, but if you make it impossible for poor women, women of color and women in the middle of nowhere to get abortions, don't be surprised to see that percentage of the population increases and the crime rate, too, in about 13 years. There was a huge correlation before Roe v. Wade and after. Besides crippling some women's lives, often unwanted pregnancies produce unwanted children.

"Endless studies" show healthy, white babies get adopted . What about ones that had addicted moms so have limited mental prospects & likely lifelong behavioral problems or the ones with birth defects that require a lot of time and money to deal with, or aren't \ the preferred color, white? (Before you call me a racist, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.)

Untreated neither do the women carrying them.

There are irrational people of all sorts. I'd like to say political party didn't reflect it, but in today's hijacked Republican party, they win the turkey.

And how exactly would that work? like ressurecting the dead? Zombies?

California, New York s foster care systems aren't exactly exemplary.
Neither are their schools
Department of Education studies show public educators in blue states abuse more children than priests do. That fact holds true in every state Red or Blue.
10% of public school children nationwide (460,000 the year of the study) were found to have been the targets of sexual impropriety. During the year of the study there were around 17,000 children abused by priests.

I'm not a fan of priests either, but I am also not a fan of this weird inability to look at ones own party, voting blocs, religion as it is, and realize there are some truly awful people in there.

@Edney - are you looking at percentages compared to population or just total numbers. Blue states house more people so there will be increased rates of everything, but not when you look at the percentage. Also there's a whole host of different issues compared to cities and rural issues, what's reported and what isn't, but those are factors that wouldn't support your claim so let's not even go there.

Hey Doulie - "SACJON - How is leaving the abortion decision up to each state "not OK?" What answer are you afraid of? "
Ooh, pick me! Other individuals (in any state) do not get to vote about what goes on in my uterus.
And you misspelled fetus.

GT, it's not the Vatican, it's evangelical American Christians!

Duke - Republicans are the ones that blow up abortion clinics and terrorize planned parenthood - as well as try to attack the seat of government while an election certification underway. Democrats will organize, vote and become activists on a massive scale not seen such the 60's.

"You gotta plan ahead for alcohol in Utah… it sucks! But you deal with it because you want to have a fun weekend." Ugh..... really? Comparing abortion to planning ahead to party on the weekend? Come on man....

Duke, you seem to be attempting to stoop to a new low here. You do realize some states are already planning to make it illegal to go out of state for a procedure right?

Duke - I guess your statement could be construed as exemplifying the misogyny and toxic stereotype of the conservative, white male.

So how about ectopic pregnancy emergency risk Duke! My first wife and I found ourselves in this heartbreaking situation in 1997. How do you address that! You don’t plan ahead. The emergency happens

Oak - I’m (essentially) a libertarian… so I’m not a fan of getting rid of personal freedoms. I think there should be choice (to a point) and then definitely a lot of medical and legal “ outs”…

Not that this makes things any better in the big picture, but I would bet a lot of money that the laws prohibiting folks to cross state lines for abortion services will not stand legal muster. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems that if you were to allow laws like that, that then a whole lot of interstate commercial activity would be up for grabs...

How????

Duke - based under the cloak of "states rights" you are advocating for denying termination of the pregnancy to women who have been raped, or been raped by a family member. In some states - a family member or friend driving the one of those women to the doctor would get sued.

GT - I don’t see how a state could vote for that… and if they do it would (and should!) be dealt with!! But again we don’t want activist judges… and it appears from a legal perspective that this is the correct legal Supreme Court decision. It will lead to a lot of political action going forward… much of which will probably be beneficial to dems!!! Power to the people!!!

Duke, it has already happened in Florida and Texas so I'm not sure what you are talking about unless you are completely unaware of recent laws being passes. In Texas, anyone helping someone seek an abortion can be sued by anyone who reports it. And no clause for rape or incest. Google it.

Duke, it has already happened in Florida and Texas so I'm not sure what you are talking about unless you are completely unaware of recent laws being passes. In Texas, anyone helping someone seek an abortion can be sued by anyone who reports it. And no clause for rape or incest. Google it.

Private citizens can sue in Texas for those that aren't compliant. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Heartbeat_Act

Look at Oklahoma law that was just signed off on.

Duke at 5:01 pm.
What about enforced waiting times? (Women who have decided to have an abortion must wait at least 24 hours if not 48 before having the procedure, which in many cases involves an expensive overnight stay away from home), Women forced to listen to lectures? Women forced to listen to ultrasounds? Women forced to UNDERGO ultrasounds, which are accomplished by putting a large tool into the vagina? Women told that abortion increases the risk of breast cancer, which is NOT supported by medical research/epidemiology?

Men are deciding this crap for women. Men would never subject men to this gauntlet.

And alcohol is a LOT cheaper and doesn't involve an overnight stay or invasive exams!

Duke, there are trigger laws against abortion that will go into effect as soon as the decision is formally released.
Please read some articles about the current state of laws and state intentions. If not NY Times or similar, maybe Guttmacher Institute?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-bans-restrictons-roe-v-wade.html

As of Dec. 2020, nearly 40 million U.S. women of reproductive age (58% of the total number) live in states that have demonstrated hostility to abortion rights.

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2019/08/state-abortion-policy-landscape-hostile-supportive

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/counseling-and-waiting-periods-abortion

Yes, I have worked at Planned Parenthood. Remember when our Santa Maria clinic was fire bombed in the early 90's? Didn't think so. I had my pre-cancerous cervical condition treated there. Got birth control there. Paid for two friends' abortions, and supported them as a friend.

Duke at 6:20: These laws will force opponents to spend time and money fighting.
"New anti-abortion proposals in the Missouri House would allow lawsuits against those who help residents cross state lines for the procedure, as well as criminalize aborting nonviable pregnancies."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/missouri-anti-abortion-bills-seek-154250592.html

You need to catch up on the news!
Let alone the vigilante aspect of the TX law.

Those are laws that should be changed. But what does that have to do with the Supreme Court? The Supreme Court is tasked with a specific role (interpreting the Constitution)… we the people must change/make the laws. I get that people are upset that the Supreme Court might not be deciding in a way that they want…. But their task is specific… as is ours in a democracy…

Duke, you are correct. The judiciary branch interprets laws, they don’t make them. Our ELECTED political leaders do.

" I get that people are upset that the Supreme Court might not be deciding in a way that they want" It's a little bigger than that Duke. Alito is basically saying (in a very narrow minded interpretation) that the Amendment does not specifically state the words "abortion" in it - so it is not covered under the 14th. Well guess what - interracial marriage isn't stated in the 14th amendment, same sex marriage isn't mentioned in the 14th Amendment, the use of contraceptives is not stated. "The thing is, the dangers of dispensing with Roe go far beyond abortion, because the legal logic that threatens this particular right could quite easily extend to others, inviting states to try out new laws that regulate choices about whom to marry, whom to be intimate with, what contraception to use, and how to rear one’s own children." So if you are supporting that Duke - you are supporting State control of individual freedoms - which is Communism.