Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

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There was another homeless encampment fire on Walnut Ave near Carrillo. This is the second one in this area in the past two months.

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Roger Jul 27, 2020 03:28 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

I really hate to say this but it is a solution that works in other cities..Hire the homeless to clean up after the homeless.

d8vanilla Jul 27, 2020 02:39 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

Teach them how to build a safe camp-fire. Teach them how to poop & pee out in the wild.... you know... dig a hole, poop - pee, than cover up the hole..... .. Not that hard to do.

biguglystick Jul 27, 2020 01:26 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

I am torn on this, as I feel terrible for the homeless... I want them to live and thrive and get better, but some of these camps are out of control. There was one on Montecito st. that lasted for weeks and weeks and there was so much trash it looked like a full dump truck had overturned and screeched along the road upside down for about three blocks jettisoning trash in all directions. It sat there forever! If we don't do something to clear out these camps and keep clearing them out as they pop up elsewhere, we are going to have a huge sweeping fire that will destroy hundreds of homes and render hundreds more people homeless. This cannot keep happening. City Council, what say you?

a-1595888963 Jul 27, 2020 03:29 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

The vagrants have to want to "live and thrive". Until that happens. it won't matter how terrible you feel about their lifestyle choices. I feel terrible we have allowed their intentional blight overwhelm our community and threaten our own safety.

NostraChumash Jul 27, 2020 11:33 AM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

I offered the city a viable, legal, respectful & successful plan to alleviate this issue...
They did not even read it.
No profit in the cure.

PitMix Jul 28, 2020 02:12 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

4:36, a concentration camp with no food? I doubt you can get anyone to go along with that, even our soon to be removed president.

a-1595892975 Jul 27, 2020 04:36 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

A tent city on asphalt on federal land, enclosed fencing and Peace Corp toilets, self dug. They can figure out how to feed themselves, just like the early pioneers or the hunter gatherers who managed for thousands of years in this same area.

LCP112233 Jul 27, 2020 10:41 AM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

This is getting old. I'm really afraid of what things are going to look like when people start getting evicted again. It is inevitable too, because landlords have some pretty hefty bill to pay as well.

comment1 Jul 27, 2020 10:11 AM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

Do people really want to live out of doors? Would you? I hear a lot of griping and judgment and hear not one helpful solution. I don't have one either. Homeless Lives Matter!

420722 Jul 27, 2020 05:53 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

Ok 10:46 I’ll bite- are you blind or just obsessed with my comments? Both? Almost EVERYONE in this thread is in opposition to the problems the homeless are causing not necessarily the homeless themselves. Yep I’m a just mean old anti-encampment just feet away from homes kinda person. Maybe your family can have them live in your front yard and you guys can take turns putting the fires out.

a-1595871993 Jul 27, 2020 10:46 AM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

420722 - boy, you're just anti-everybody! Anti-BLM, Anti-Homeless, Anti-people who respect the severity of Covid, the list goes on. Got to be hard keeping up with all the stuff you oppose!

a-1595848872 Jul 27, 2020 04:21 AM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

slaps self upside head. I guess I've always been good at figuring out acronyms, because I rarely have to access Urban Dictionary. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Douglas Family Preserve, rex! You KNEW that!

REX OF SB Jul 27, 2020 01:33 AM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

Ok, SDP, I'll bite: what's "DFP?" I've lived here my entire life and haven't a clue what this is. Whatever it is, is it really that much trouble to spell it out? Not AOU are as SWTA as OMB. SWIM?

LoveMySB Jul 26, 2020 09:28 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

We have a weak city council. They should be putting the taxpaying citizens of this city first before there is a loss of life & property due to these fires. I have never seen so many fires due to homeless encampments. It's just a major disaster waiting to happen. Good thing there has not been any big wind events.

a-1595882223 Jul 27, 2020 01:37 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

CalTrans has the right to clean up the properties; just to not destroy the vagrant's personal property at the same time. Easy remedy- provide a pick-up time and place for these items. Or else they are deemed abandoned after a certain period of time. Every excuse throw up actually has a solution. Including our mutual express contract to honor zoning ordinances when choosing to live in this town. You don't get to come here and then make your own rules. You sign up for the laws and regulations already on the books. And that expressly includes where you can reside and how.

Ehdat Jul 27, 2020 11:24 AM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

Cal Trans got slapped and had to pay out 5.5 million dollars in cleaning up homeless encampments in the Bay Area and paying the homeless people. I guess people have civil liberties even when they are trespassing on State-owned property.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/the-state-worker/article240490156.html

JB86 Jul 26, 2020 09:12 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

Local government says their hands are tied by Governor's rules and CDC guidelines - clearing out homeless encampments would disperse possible infected people. Nonsense, these folks disperse everyday to forage and beg. Neither the Governor's rules nor the CDC guidelines are law; no legislative body passed on them. It is based on opinions and theory, not science, as they claim.
I say the cities and counties ought to do what's right and best for taxpayers, and ignore the 'rules' passed down from administrators. Just clean out the camps in the high-risk areas, then argue with the bureaucrats.

SBLetsGetAlong Jul 26, 2020 06:12 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

And why should us tax payers pay the “maid fees” for people who do t clean up after themselves?

The homeless person in their van on my street leaves trash outside their car, never kicks it up and takes it to a trash can. And kisses and shits in the bushes making the area unsanitary and snelling like a sewer.
And I have to pick up after my dog?
Seriously?
That person can take their trash to a neighbors trash can or take the trash to a dumpster somewhere, but they don’t.
And they wonder why we call them “bad guests”.

SBLetsGetAlong Jul 26, 2020 06:08 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

So is Covid amongst homeless more dangerous than fires that could not only hurt the homeless but everyone around them ?
Or is a fire in an area that recently had the largest wildfire in CA less important than spreading COVID in a town where less than 1% of the population has ever had Covid?
The Govt is supposed to be testing the Homeless for Covid per the CA Pub Health.
So our govt should know who has or might have Covid and then the govt is required to quarantine the individual.

Once again our local govt being lazy or too afraid to address serious issues in our community.

Once again, the govt aware of the dangers of fires which occur more regularly and cause more damage and cost more than Covid amongst the homeless. Yet the govt chooses to ignore the issues hoping they go away.
Great job being leaders, not. My kid has more sense of what needs to be done to protect the greater good, the majority than our local govt.

Seriously, if yuh loose your home I’d sue the govt, cal trans, Union Pacific, all of them fir negligence and endangering the local residents.
When is enough, enough?

a-1595883041 Jul 27, 2020 01:50 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

The point where the city is now liable for damages due to their own neglect has passed. Courts got SCE and PG&E to be liable for our resent wildland fires. Same principles, city has notice of public danger but refused to do anyting, other than hide behind a wall of excuses .Just like the utility companies tried to do. That no longer works. Yes, with full knowledge and notice of the public dangers these vagrant camps present, their refusal to mitigate these present dangers now shifts the burden of proof against their favor .Of course, city taxpayers then will have to fund their negligence damages. Catch 22.

a-1595823978 Jul 26, 2020 09:26 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

The problem is our elected officials are not afraid to NOT face this. Because you keep endorsing, electing and re-electing them for doing absolutely nothing, year after year. Pick candidates that make getting rid of vagrants camps their number one priority. And who will fight every road block in the way, until this gets done. Then kick them out if they do not get it done. Quite simple actually.

Getoffmylawn Jul 26, 2020 02:41 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

They are already a heath hazard. Cleaning up piss and shit and garbage will help fight covid 19, not hinder it. Wake up and clean these camps out

a-1595809905 Jul 26, 2020 05:31 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

Excuses, excuse, excuses. See how easy it is to do nothing, other than let this vagrant population take over more of our town? Shut it down. No more excuses.

mp805 Jul 26, 2020 04:02 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

From the NH article Roger mentioned......However, Caltrans, which has cleaned up the corridor area in the past, temporarily suspended encampment cleanups because of the COVID-19 pandemic and out of fear of spreading the virus among the vulnerable population, “unless there is an immediate safety concern,” spokesman Jim Shivers said. “The best way to prevent those fires from starting is to not have people living there to begin with,” Bertucelli said. The fear of spreading COVID-19 has complicated what the city and outside agencies are safely able to do to address the encampment fires. According to guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, clearing homeless encampments can cause those individuals to disperse throughout the community and increase the potential for the virus to spread.

Sensibly Common Jul 26, 2020 03:36 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

100% agree. The city won't clean anything up right now, they claim "CDC guidelines". Guidelines are advice, not a mandate. These fires are a public safety issue and justify clearing out the camps.

mp805 Jul 26, 2020 11:39 AM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

I cant remember more vegetation fires than this year...its long overdue that we clear cut, trim out and prune the sides of the freeways and amtrak areas here...fire and Santa Barbara are not a good combination. This doesn't need to be the new normal.

a-1595810084 Jul 26, 2020 05:34 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

City council is empowered to make vagrant camps accountable under residential zoning violations; just like the rest of us are required to comply with community standards. Can't have two systems of justice. Isn't that the battle cry today?

REX OF SB Jul 26, 2020 04:35 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

Oops, I just figured it out—Noozhawk. I didn’t get it at first because it’s only one word, but was abbreviated N.H. AA! YGLE!!

REX OF SB Jul 26, 2020 04:30 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

Curious what source in New Hampshire would be interested enough in a SoCal hobo fire to write about it. Are they having a problem there, too?

a-1595805230 Jul 26, 2020 04:13 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

When people who should be in jail and prison are released early, with no job skills, no money, and probably a substance abuse habit, it becomes our new way of life. So far I see no effort to hold those who released these criminals early held accountable.

Basicinfo805 Jul 26, 2020 01:15 PM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

Our new way of life? I don't think so. Only if we let it be that way, which would be pathetic. Someone will probably die and who knows how many properties will be lost when one of these gets out of control. Not to mention the tax dollars being sucked up to deal with this when we have so many other legitimate needs (schools, roads, you name it). Apathy ("get used to it") and acceptance of this BS is really disappointing.

a-1595785434 Jul 26, 2020 10:43 AM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

Mayor Murillo, what is the action plan to get rid of vagrant camps once and for all. Lay it out and what are the costs compared to the costs of the city's current do nothing but spend more money every year which has increased the numbers of vagrant camps. Set out the action plan to eliminate them all. No excuses and no more false misrepresentations about the health and safety threats these growing number of camps present to this community. Identify the road blocks and start attacking them one by one until we rid our community of vagrant camps and set the new no tolerance standard for community standards. Please have this 100% vagrant camp action plan ready for public comment in 30 days. Then we can finally take action in the right direction. Ball is in your court - action plan - 100% removal - no ifs, ands or buts .Then we systematically dismantle the obstructions to this action plan until we reach the proper goal - no vagrant camps ever again in this community. No excuses - forward movement only. Take all the city resources now devoted to only growing this vagrant camp threat and apply them to eliminating the vagrant camp threat. One by one by one. Give us daily progress reports and number of camps eliminated every day.

sacjon Jul 27, 2020 11:51 AM
Homeless Encampment Fire on the Westside

EHDAT - I truly hope that is not true. As unpleasant and dangerous these camps are, burning them down could cause massive property damage and possible death. Please say you're joking.

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