Historic Casa de la Guerra Trashed

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By John Palminteri, KEYT News

The historic Casa de la Guerra in downtown was trashed sometime Sunday or Monday.

Several homeless people were sleeping in the area.A crew from the Downtown Organization cleaned up the mess and took out a full truck load of debris.

The site dates back to the 1800's in Santa Barbara and was the home of Jose de la Guerra, a Comandante of the Santa Barbara Presidio.

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a-1589391619 May 13, 2020 10:40 AM
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There's no way that happened in a 1-2 day span. Can we get better and more regular patrolling of our historic public spaces, please, SBPD?

a-1589403840 May 13, 2020 02:04 PM
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Yes, it did. I work adjacent to this location. It happened over the weekend. I have to avoid puddles of pee every time I go to work. Downtown is gross! Homeless have taken over.

Lem4058 May 13, 2020 11:28 PM
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It happened in a night. I was walking my dog nearby and heard so much yelling I went to check it out. It was just a guy yelling and a bunch of stuff in the street. I asked if it was his and he said it was trash. Some of that stuff would have blocked traffic, so I dragged what I could to the trash can. He was gone before me; there must have been more shenanigans later.

a-1589392379 May 13, 2020 10:52 AM
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The homeless people have taken over Santa Barbara. Before the city talks about opening things back up they need to disinfect all sidewalks, benches and streets in the past few months they have gotten completely out of control. People are taking about shutting state street down so people can eat outside which sounds great but not when you have people taking a dump feet away. Clean up SB! we have some of the best resources for the homeless but some of them rather live on the streets than in a homeless shelter. We are sending inmates on the streets straight out of county without proper meds and out to do who knows what. We need to get control of our city

SantaBarbaraObserver May 13, 2020 11:18 AM
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Bums, graffiti and refuse right across from City Hall. A rather symbolic example of the failure of our city's managers, elected and appointed officials. Make no mistake. Santa Barbara is accelerating towards bankruptcy and austerity. Its managers and officials grossly unqualified to solve the problems at hand. Heck, they couldnt even fix the problems when times were great and these nincompoops want to keep their jobs?

a-1589402189 May 13, 2020 01:36 PM
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A bunch of students caused way more damage when they had a little picnic at the Tea Garden and left embers that burned down dozens if not hundreds of homes and killed half a dozen residents. Were you calling for extreme measures then? This was cleaned up in an hour and Palmintieri knew it would stir outrage where a party of millennials would not. Offer up some LAWFUL solutions, SBO, instead of bellyaching like an impotent bovine stuck on the wrong side of a mudhole.

horsegirl May 13, 2020 01:45 PM
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Uhhhh, yes people were calling for extreme measures then...? People were obviously very angry and many called for prosecution of the students involved, which they were. They were found guilty of trespassing and holding an illegal bonfire as the DA said there wasn't enough to convict them of anything further. Also only one person *potentially* died due to evacuating, not 6 (not to minimize that person's death at all). People are allowed to be angry about more than one thing. Shocker, I know.

a-1589432531 May 13, 2020 10:02 PM
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@1:36 You have no idea what you are talking about. People were and still are outraged by the Tea Fire and the fact those delinquents got off. None of them were locals and most were foreign and left the country before anything could happen to them. It was hundreds of homes and I don’t recall anyone dying, but a couple was severely burned. People were also outraged by the Jesusita Fire, another devastating event caused by negligence. Those two were sued as well as the company who makes the weedwacker they were using. Even better the cave fire was likely started by a homeless camper. So there is plenty of appropriate outrage here. There is nothing wrong with wanting a clean safe city.

Luvaduck May 14, 2020 08:23 AM
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RUMOR was that it was Saudis doing things they couldn't at home, and prosecuting them would've been a political issue. That was the RUMOR--don't know how to access the actual facts, but it was hushed up.

Luvaduck May 14, 2020 08:28 AM
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RUMOR was that it was Saudis doing things they couldn't at home, and prosecuting them would've been a political issue. That was the RUMOR--don't know how to access the actual facts, but it was hushed up.

Chip of SB May 13, 2020 01:42 PM
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It's so sad to see how we have squandered the beautiful city we inherited from prior generations. There is so much history here, and so much hard work went into building our city. Now its nothing more than a hangout for addicts and a trash dump. I suppose nothing can last forever. I will always cherish my memories of the clean, vibrant, and thriving Santa Barbara that used to be.

AdamVant May 13, 2020 02:04 PM
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Unlike the rest of us, bums and hobos and criminals all have amnesty from laws and regulations.

a-1589404186 May 13, 2020 02:09 PM
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ADAM - where in the legal code or case precedent does it state that laws don't apply to the homeless or criminals? I must have missed that day in law school.

Get over it May 13, 2020 06:23 PM
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@2:09 It's not so much the laws not applying as nonenforcement of said laws. Not that it would matter anyway since the whole Zero bail thing.

Lucky 777 May 13, 2020 02:21 PM
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The bums are a protected species. If any of us did that in front of our houses we'd be fined.

SBRoses May 13, 2020 02:50 PM
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Absolutely disgusting. I had to go to city hall before COVID hit (so before downtown became 100% zombified) and there was a guy sleeping on the upper walkway/patio by the entrance on DLG plaza side. In DLG itself were the usuals - tons of homeless camping out on the grass. I purchased a copy of Lutah Maria Riggs' plan for DLG plaza, which has it as a lovely park with a fountain and benches, etc. I would LOVE to see that as a central feature downtown. DLG reclaimed as a grand park - plus a park extension in the existing News Press parking lot - which is totally wasted space as it stands now. The problem - as always in SB - is how to keep the homeless from overtaking it. Remember when they spent millions to build Chase Palm Park? I hear some locals actually go there and I guess there are some decent concerts, but as a woman I find it downright menacing. I have never been there in the 20+ years since it was built and have no plans to. It is filled with homeless and has been from day one. When will the rights of the many - to access clean and safe public spaces - take precedence over the rights of the few? Right now the rights of the few (the homeless) trump the rights of the many. For those who are interested in seeing Lutah's plans, you can see a copy here: https://sbhistoricalblog.com/2015/02/11/the-life-of-lutah-a-panel-discussion/

a-1589415113 May 13, 2020 05:11 PM
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I am a woman and I walk my little dog through Chase Palm Park and along the coast/bike path part of Chase Palm Park. I'm there quite regularly and I've never had a problem there from homeless folk. ...That has nothing to do with litter and vandalism at the Casa de la Guerra or at the de la Guerra Park. As for homeless people sleeping on the steps to City Hall, staff should tell them to move on. Prior to Covid-19, they did do so but probably now think that none of us care.

a-1589408011 May 13, 2020 03:13 PM
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Casa De La Guerra is not City property. It is owned by the Santa Barbara Historical Trust for Historic Preservation in partnership with the State Parks System. They can legally give them the bum's rush, but they are too cheap to hire enough security.

Ahchooo May 13, 2020 03:32 PM
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You make it sound like the Trust for Historical Preservation has piles of money that they refuse to spend on security. Is that true? Don’t their funds come from donations?

Luvaduck May 14, 2020 08:19 AM
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Fence it like a mititary base. Accordion wire, barred windows, steel doors with 3 locks, the new "landscaping" fashion for downtown and suburban living. . .

a-1589409883 May 13, 2020 03:44 PM
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I give money to the homeless to send them to SB on the bus. More resources in SB than here. Thank You SB.

a-1589415355 May 13, 2020 05:15 PM
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Thanks to emails from community members alerting councilmembers Eric Friedman and then Alejandra Gutierrez; prior to the community emails, the city had set up a PortaPotty welcoming those homeless. (Both those underpasses, as well as by Quarantina, have been cleaned up before; let's hope that this cleanup lasts longer which may happen because of the publicity.)

Get over it May 13, 2020 06:29 PM
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Yeah, that's how to deal with it... Porta potties, wash stations, benches ect, just like they did for the illegal labor line. So SB

420722 May 13, 2020 03:53 PM
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They may as well leave the trash there. That’s what California is going to look like the longer we keep the economy on lockdown. I expect homelessness and mental illness to rise astronomically. Also, how is that curbside pickup going? Not well from what I understand. A total bust of a plan. Phase 3 anyone?

RHS May 13, 2020 04:48 PM
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Edhat seems to have been captured by some scary right wing law and order and mean folks. This is really a pretty minor thing, certainly not worth the "sky is falling" hysterics being posted about it. Clean it up (nothing was permanently harmed) and prepare for the future with proper security. And think about maybe doing something to house the homeless even if "they" were not proven responsible for this incident.

SBRoses May 13, 2020 04:54 PM
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Sure, this in and of itself is a minor thing. But the issues of homelessness in general and its effects on downtown, our parks, etc. is not a minor thing. Most homeless are not from Santa Barbara. And most do not have housing issues. What they actually have are drug/alcohol and subsequent mental illness problems. It's not about building more homes for them. And we should not have a come one, come all policy to providing shelter.

a-1589415281 May 13, 2020 05:14 PM
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My brother is homeless (although down in LA County somewhere) and is mentally ill but does not take drugs or drink alcohol. Many homeless are mentally ill due to medical reasons and not by choice. It would be nice if there was a way to increase services for the mentally ill.

Get over it May 13, 2020 06:36 PM
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@5:14 I totally agree. I think we need to focus and help those with mental illness. A lot of those folks are self medicating.

@RHS Yeah, it's not the end of the world and was cleaned up. It's the example of the larger picture though.

SBRoses May 13, 2020 09:04 PM
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Actually 5:14 there is hard data showing that while yes, some homeless are mentally ill without co-morbid substance abuse problems, that is NOT the majority. I do agree we should increase services for the mentally ill. Unfortunately constitutional rights get in the way of getting people treatment many of them need. Please read more about the Lanterman–Petris–Short Act if you are not already familiar. You cannot force treatment on people who do not want it. And probably a good 90% of the homeless don't "want" it - whether by actual wish, or via impaired judgement due to mental illness and substance abuse. And here is information to back up my previous claim about substance abuse in the homeless: https://abc7.com/ucla-study-homelessness-trauma-homeless-health-problem/5602130/ 75% of the homeless self report substance abuse problems. That leaves a minority with "pure" mental illness not presenting alongside or as a result of substance abuse problems.

a-1589447562 May 14, 2020 02:12 AM
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RHS When you step in human feces in front of your place of business it’s disgusting. It is estimated one million illegal immigrants move into LA County from South America every year. You dont see them homeless on the street.. If all those people can figure out housing so can everyone else. It’s a mental illness/ drug / alcohol abuse problem. You cannot help people who don’t want it.

a-1589467851 May 14, 2020 07:50 AM
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I think it has been shown by the now annual point in time counts that moat homeless ARE from Santa Barbara. But whether that is so or not all people here have a right to equal treatment.

a-1589467871 May 14, 2020 07:51 AM
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I think it has been shown by the now annual point in time counts that moat homeless ARE from Santa Barbara. But whether that is so or not all people here have a right to equal treatment.

LooseCannon May 13, 2020 05:52 PM
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There's an easy solution to the homeless problem. Address the grotesque inequality in society. Let's have a wealth tax, a tax on investment properties, a pied-a-terre tax on vacation homes, taxes on vacant properties, taxes on McMansions, etc. Let's have some compassion for those who are down and out, stop being judgmental and presumptuous about why they're homeless, give them a roof over their heads, food, and access to health care. It's a no brainer, but every Tom, Dick and Harry aspires to be rich "one day" and refuses to acknowledge what would be a correct, sensible, intelligent, and ethical solution to the problem of homelessness.

Get over it May 13, 2020 06:39 PM
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@Loose So besides taking what people worked for, what is YOUR plan? Increasing taxes on people who have more than a homeless person? Then? That's the issue.

a-1589424816 May 13, 2020 07:53 PM
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@LOOSE Those taxes already exist. They are called property taxes and people who own property in Santa Barbara pay a boatload. What you should be asking is what has happened to all the grant money the city of Santa Barbara receives from the state and various organizations to help the homeless? What about those that refuse help? This isn’t about money, the money is there. If local government really wanted to help they could. Instead of more taxes on property owners how about cutting city employee benefits and pensions?

SBRoses May 13, 2020 09:00 PM
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I agree with 7:53. Property tax IS the never-talked-about WEALTH tax. We already have it. And the burden falls hardest on the middle class.

a-1589429258 May 13, 2020 09:07 PM
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This isn't a housing or inequality issue. If it was you would see thousands of illegal immigrants living on the streets. A lot of those people who are homeless are homeless due to drug addiction or refusal to be apart of society. Even though wealth inequality exist, it is a completely different issue.

a-1589468267 May 14, 2020 07:57 AM
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Loose: This is exactly why "the rich" hide their money, legally or otherwise. Even those who are not "rich" hide their money as best they can (not reporting cash transactions, tips, etc.). I don't have that much, but I certainly don't want you to tell me what to do with what I have. The "homeless" always have money for tats, piercings, booze, weed, etc., and your easy-peasy solution is to give 'em what I have. Sorry Charles.

Get over it May 14, 2020 07:33 PM
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Come on Loose... Zero response to all of these common sense posts? Nope, just the usual one off trolling.

NotReallyDave May 13, 2020 07:04 PM
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Not only across from City Hall and Paul Casey's window seat, but also across from the City Attorney's office. In fact Ariel Pierre Calonne can just look out his window and do a head count below. Or perhaps he was on break that day.

a-1589429851 May 13, 2020 09:17 PM
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For the last the courthouse Archway was full trash and shopping carts as well. I remember a few weeks ago seeing about 25 people camping in there all day. The sunken gardens would also have a bunch of homeless guys smoking there all day as well. Looks like they cleaned it up a few days ago. I walked my dog through there today and I didn't see single homeless person. I'm honestly surprised that didn't make the news,it was really bad.

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