Gyms Open Indoor?

VOR - when businesses that have high transmission risk activities such as an indoor gym, it is everyone's business. I work hard to be safe so I can go out and handle basic needs - groceries, take out dinner to support local restaurants, Christmas shopping, etc etc. In order for us to not be completely locked down, we need to all work together to follow the rules. An indoor gym is a clear violation of those rules. Why do you want to punish the law-abiding citizens? Seems like a 180 from the standard anti-crime stance of most Republicans.

My God, how many times do we have to go through this? When it comes to COVID, YOUR BUSINESS IS EVERYONE'S BUSINESS. You cannot keep the risk to yourself, full stop. Report these antisocial fools.

That data and science show that with proper protocols indoor gyms are NOT a high transmission risk. Why are you okay punishing hardworking employees and small business owners who were following the protocols and NOT contributing to the spread? California Health & Human Services Agency Secretary - Mark Ghaly even said these latest restrictions weren't about the relative safety of a certain activity but about trying to force people to stay home. Multiple CA judges have ruled these restrictions are "not grounded in science, evidence, or logic." JUST STAY HOME SAC and you will be fine. The rest of us will venture out, safely, against a virus 99.97% of us will survive IF we even contract it.

Exactly! Nothing is truly essential if you think about it. If you need food, start growing food then! Going to your favorite pizza place is not a priority if you want to play the “essentials” game.

Where does it say that being indoors with a mask on while social distancing in a gym is high risk of getting the virus? And how does that differ from standing in line to buy Christmas gifts?

VOR - why should I have to stay home? I have every right to conduct by affairs safely. Why do you support rule violations over my right to live a semi-normal life? Why should I be punished by staying home just so others can freely violate health and safety rules? Explain your 180 on law and order and personal responsibility. Or does it only matter when it's generally "liberals" who are being negatively affected by the rule breakers?

Flat earther....

Bad time of year to plant crops.

Agreed Support!

Who stands in line to buy presents? Who stand in line to buy anything other than groceries? Honest question, I'd like to know. I thought everyone was buying online? I wouldn't know, I don't celebrate xmas or buy presents.

CHEMICAL good luck reaching public health. You have to call 211. The local PDs are not enforcing but the Sheriff will so that is who to call.

But you're still going to the gym right?

RANDOMIZEDNAME - Why am I going outside to buy groceries and support local businesses by purchasing takeout? Do I really need to answer that?

As for you cancelling Christmas because you don't want to go shopping in person? That's sad. I feel bad for your kids. There's this thing called the internet where you can order things. 99% of my shopping for Christmas was online. Only a couple things to buy in person, in a store wearing a mask, with reduced # of customers and social distancing. It's possible to do.

You don’t know who handled those online packages! Those people could also have covid-19 and when they sneeze on your packages you could also become infected!
I don’t know about you but I for sure don’t want to but my family at risk like that

RANDOMIZEDNAME - how to obtain groceries?

I have someone that I trust get them for me. Once they are at my home I have that person drop them off at my garage door. I then put my gown,goggles, respirator, and gloves on. (We call it the 3GS in our house)
I bring the grocery’s inside my garage so I don’t contaminate the house and individually sanitize every grocery individually.
Me nor my family have left the house in months. You never know what could happen

I hope you're trolling! :-)
I meet my grocery delivery person in the garage, we're both masked. I wash my hands after unpacking. I'm lucky I can pay someone to shop for me.

So what your saying is... I have a choice on how I go about my day? Kinda like the people who decide to go to the gym have a choice?
Wow

Thanks Shmonk

No one is denying that the virus isn’t real or has potential risks if you acquire it, we are saying that we will not let the virus nor the government control our lives for the next few years. How you choose to go about your life should be your personal decision. No one is forcing people to be at the gym, let alone indoors.

Except your irresponsible behavior may lead to the death of other people. Why can't you freedumb yoyos figure that out?

1:12 PM : You seem to be denying that the virus is real, exactly as implied by you first sentence.

Love how you have to go to name calling instead of making a valid argument. The people who defend gyms are the ones who either manage or work there, and will be out of work if they have to close business. The second you step out of your house there is risk, whether that’s driving a car, walking in an alley alone, or going to the gym. You cannot blame others for what happens to you if you choose to leave your home. All you can do is what you believe is best for yourself.

SUPPORT SMALL the difference is there are treatments for staph, mono, the flu AND they have been around a long time so many of us already have natural or boosted immunity to those viruses and bugs. Not so with COVID - which is new, and has no real effective treatments just therapeutics. And, it won't necessarily be around forever. We all but eradicated Measles and Polio with vaccines - until ppl stopped vaccinating. Vaccines, and not letting the virus transmit person to person, is how you starve out a virus and they can eventually go away or be so few in number that risk is low - plus over time, we build a herd immunity.

I agree that heard immunity is crucial for this virus. At the rate we are going with cases, however, it is going to take a very long time to develop that. A big concern is also how many people will actually be willing to take the vaccine. Hopefully a lot, but as with the flu vaccine, some people don’t agree with it unfortunately

Oh look, a populist epidemiologist telling the rest of us how to live!

SUPPORT SMALL: NO ONE should be going to indoor gyms right now. No one. If you do, you are acting irresponsibly at best, dangerous and deadly at worst. Just use commons sense. Work out OUTDOORS, and wear a bloody mask!

How would you possibly know where you got it from? You are just as likely to get covid standing in line at Target.

mmmm... No you're not... Risk = distance x time ( and other factors). You are going to beworking out next someone in gym way longer than the time you are in line at a store.

Wearing a mask 6 feet away from someone and constantly sanitizing everything you use sounds fine to me. Once again, it’s your life. Choose how you live it.

SUPPORT SMALL they can mount their defense in court. I don't think it's going to bode well when they come to court with unclean hands from opening up and those who are going against mandates.

1:52 PM - Only in the alternate facts universe do deaths not track opening up.

VOR - stop citing judges' decisions as matters of science. Judges determine the law, based on facts, not the science. Why do you ignore all the scientists and doctors saying there IS a relation? The judges only determine whether an action (lock down) based on the facts was legal or not. It's ENTIRELY, 100% not a judgment on science, just the law. The law can say it was an overstep, but that's not at all based on the science. If an action violates a law, which some of this may, it is not the same as saying it's not warranted from a medical/scientific basis.

Again, these decisions are not saying there's no evidence that the spread is affected or not by closing businesses, ONLY that the decision oversteps the law. It's a nuance, but I think you understand.

As per Public Health, schools should be open. You have opposed that (and by extension science) multiple times on this forum. I know this has nothing to do with the gyms, but careful quoting "alternate facts" when you have personally used them multiple times in saying schools should be closed.

Incorrect Sac but let's hold here real quick. At least we can agree that per multiple judges the state and county governments have overstepped it's authorizations, i.e. broken the law. It is ENTIRELY 100% NOT OKAY for the government to buck the law and we should be screaming from the rooftops in opposition to that. Now answer me this, if the scientist and doctors at our state and county health departments had evidence there was relation, why didn't they show it? Scientist and doctors wouldn't just say something without proof right? You're ignoring what California Health & Human Services Agency Secretary, Mark Ghaly said, that these restrictions aren't about the relative safely of the activities but about forcing people to stay in their homes. The head doctor/scientist in the state is even saying that there IS NOT a relation.

You very clearly don't go to the gym. No need for you to worry lol