Governor Announces Low-Risk Businesses Can Open This Week

that's the great thing about america -- you don't have to. stay home if you feel it's unsafe. This is a good sign

So you are going out to a concert this week. Those are open? Bahaha

huh? what concert? what are you talking about and how does that relate to what i said?

You said you were free to go out or stay home. So you must be able to go to a concert this week if you are free right?

I said that YOU are free to not visit the low-risk businesses that are now cleared to open. Where did you get concerts from?

I'll do all the talking here.

that's what I thought. Complain somewhere else, progress is a good thing..

Gee.. what will happen as a nation if a huge majority just relies on "instacart and amazon" small business die... big box takeover. Biggest Wealth Transfer in History is going down right now, and they're convincing you to be a part of it.

So Xantus you are telling people with secondary health issues that could be deadly if they were to get COVID to go out of the house and risk getting infected?

well the article above chooses to leave out rather important details. == https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/california-coronavirus-governor-gavin-newsom-191355405.html == “We are also announcing today the capacity for other counties and regions to move further into phase 2 with plans that need to be locally certified.” Key measures of local readiness to open more will include local capacity for testing and tracing, said Newsom.
Readiness to move further into phase 2, according to the governor, will be a product of local health officials self-certifying that the area is prepared for a broader re-opening."" == soooo Where is SB city on that issue? given our rather small amount of case numbers?

Should New York have kept businesses open as well?

Sure - I would say NY (or any densely populate metro area) could have remained open. However, the odds that the residents/visitors would adhere to wearing masks and be cautious is/was 0%. So you get a "nanny " state. The big issue is at risk people who are getting sucker punched by CV. What if Trump were to say "hey - if you are over 65 and/or have poor health, specifically these xyz conditions, then you must stay a home - to accommodate this inconvenience we will provide a food delivery service". The price tag for this would have be a couple billion and provide a lot if job to people doing food delivery. Everyone else could go on as they please - sure many younger/healthy people would get CV - but such a small % actually require hospitalization. Problem solved.

When do you suggest we begin to reopen?

Today in SB.. I walked by a Barber Shop. it was open. in the 5 seconds it took for me to walk past, the part of the conversation I happened to overhear with his one customer, was the owner, "You're supposed to help the little guy, not the big guy" ( talking about the CARES act benefits, or lack-thereof). lotta small businesses are AT THE ROPES.

There's still time to report an illegal business operating. xantus so glad you are all over town and hope you get it so you can prove everyone wrong. Just a sniffle, right?

Love me a frimple after a bowl concert. One of the few late places back in the day

Do all your DMV stuff online. Why subject yourself to cruel & unusual punishment?

My 16 year old needs to take a driver's test. Can't do that online.

They will beg for respirators when it is time.

Ventilators may save your life, but at great cost to the quality of your life. A whole host of side-effects you have to deal with for a long time after coming off of one.

Then don’t go downtown. It’s as simple as that

Sweden's approach has proven to be much more sustainable than ours. They respected civil liberties, minimized the economic impact on their businesses, focused on protecting those who are most vulnerable, and most importantly they never forced anyone to do anything. Over the long term, their approach is starting to prove itself to be more effective than others.

I would tread lightly about touting Sweden's success. They have as many cases and over twice the deaths as all the other Scandinavian countries combined (Denmark, Finland, and Norway), who combined have a much greater population.

At this specific point in time, you're right SBDUDE. But Sweden is thinking long-term and pragmatically. They're not throwing the baby out with the bath water like we are. We will be where Sweden is in a couple of months, with the difference being we destroyed our economy and livelihoods of millions first only to get to the very same place.

Sweden's current death rate is 12%. That's...awfully high to be lauding them as a success.

We're leaving out one significant factor here regarding Sweden: Their health care system. Healthcare is available to all, and they have the capacity to treat the cases they have.. Very important in analyzing their performance, as well as their decision-making process. Other relevant factors include 1) their protection of high risk groups (the elderly), as well as 2) their compliance with government edicts. Apparently the Swedes have a high degree of confidence in their government.

What's going on in Stockholm (not all of Sweden) is called science by press release - no peer review thus far. Antibody tests at the moment are of uncertain accuracy. There is also no scientific proof thus far that if you've had the virus, that you cannot get it again. Sweden claims 25% of Stockholm has had the virus - but you're probably looking at 70% needed to gain true herd immuity - and you really can't have herd immunity if individuals can get the virus a second time. Sweden's outlook did little to protect their at-risk population. Sweden has the highest fatalities and case count per capita in Scandinavia.

@ MM1970 you can use the death rate % when you don't know to total amount that was or is infected. It is particularly skewed when you only test the very sick.