Dog Attack on Cacique

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By Roger the Scanner Guy

Dog attack in the 1100 block of Cacique Street. Two Pit Bulls entered a yard and killed another dog.

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SBTownie Sep 01, 2021 04:12 PM
Dog Attack on Cacique

*I meant to say: "no one can argue that the PSI in a pit's jaw canNOT constitute deadly force much more easily than a pug"

CCHandyMan Sep 01, 2021 07:49 AM
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Several years ago I was at the market with my wife and young daughter. 3 pit bulls had jumped out the window of a car in the parking lot and were attacking anyone and everyone walking to and from their cars in the lot. I rushed to get my wife and daughter in the car and the dogs attacked me without any provocation. They attacked by one in front and 2 behind me so I couldn't protect myself while they jumped and bit at my legs to bring me down. I was eventually saved by a man hitting the dogs with a shopping cart and was taken to the hospital where my wounds were tended to. The dogs went and jumped back into the car and when the police arrived they they had AC take the dogs. They were held for 3 days and then returned to the owner. The owner had no job and so I had to foot the hospital bills. Needless to say I have a deep down hatred for pit bulls. They should be wiped off the earth as far as I'm concerned.

SBTownie Sep 01, 2021 08:14 AM
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Absolutely crazy story and very sorry you had to go through that but thanks for sharing. I am completely paranoid about pits jumping windows. I have seen this happen with my own eyes and so I am concerned about it with regards to my dog, who is 7lbs and I rarely even feel safe walking in public anymore considering the proliferation of pits, other violent dogs, and off leash dogs (everywhere - even on State St.). Pit Bulls are violent and the people here defending them are deliberately hand-picking data to say things like labs account for 2x as many dog attacks as pit bulls. What a lie. Pit defenders know Pits kill more people and other dogs than any other breed, but they just refuse to give up these miserable dogs for some reason. It boggles the mind. Any pit that has attacked dog or human should be destroyed and they should be phased out as a breed by enforcing sterilization. Other countries have done it and we can, too.

PitMix Sep 01, 2021 09:13 AM
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What town was this in? The euthanized pits and other dogs due to bites in SB City and County, or their transfer to a sanctuary where they can never be adopted, say that your outcome was not how it usually goes in SB.
In SB, those dogs are now at the shelter in quarantine, and there will be a vicious dog hearing, and those dogs will either be euthanized or sent to a sanctuary if the owner has the money to pay for it. That is the only way a dog or cat killer or people biting dog is allowed to live after an incident like this.

Channelfog Sep 01, 2021 09:28 AM
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Cat killer dogs are not always bad; our dogs help locate and dispatch feral cats, though it usually takes the 12ga too. A feral cat averages 3 bird kills per day = 1000+ birds killed per year, not to mention their having a lousy life in the wild.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 09:49 AM
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CHANNELFOG - I bet the feral cats would disagree with your "cat killer dogs are not always bad" statement. Why do they have no right to life? They kill birds so they should be killed? What about the dogs that kill the bird-killing cats? Where does the punitive killing end?

a-1630550408 Sep 01, 2021 07:40 PM
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CChandyman, I too would like to know what city and what year this event occurred. Please provide information as to whether this was in Santa Barbara City or SB County. I can give some input as to enforcement, as I used to be involved in gov't in the past.

Channelfog Sep 01, 2021 10:03 AM
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SACJON- Wildlife has rights and, human caused feral cats have zero rights. The punitive killing ends when the last feral cat is gone. If you think feral cats are OK check out Hawaii or the Audubon Society.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 10:11 AM
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CHANNEL - Can you please cite the Animal Constitution section declaring feral cats unworthy of any rights? Also, since they are "human caused," are they not unwilling participants in "wildlife," therefore entitled to the same rights as such? I think you need to brush up on your Bird Law.

PitMix Sep 01, 2021 11:12 AM
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What rights do wild animals have? The right to be killed by hunters or smashed by cars? Cats and dogs are considered property with a very small value, which is why you can't sue someone for more than a small amount and vet bills when their animal kills your pet, even if it feels like you just lost a family member. So my guess is feral cats only have the value that their supporters in a local community can attach to them if they are very vociferous. And their impact on birds and other wildlife can't be ignored, either.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 11:59 AM
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For a quick tutorial on Bird Law: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzAaxsG0mhU

Channelfog Sep 01, 2021 12:48 PM
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SACJON- Got "bird law" under control, dogs are trained, and the shotgun is clean and loaded. I take no joy in killing feral cats and don't like the extra work of having to bury them. I usually plant trees on them for the fertilizer benefit which offsets the labor.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 01:00 PM
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CHANNEL - I was joking a little, especially about bird law, but you seriously shoot cats? Why? To protect the birds? Who is going to protect the cats from being murdered?

Channelfog Sep 01, 2021 01:31 PM
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SACJON- We have only one neighbor within a mile and I know what their cat looks like, all others are feral. Idiot urbanites drop unwanted cats out here in the country as if that is good for the cats or wildlife. Cats, especially feral cats, contribute not only to reduced bird numbers, but to extinction as well. In answer to your question about who will save the cats from being murdered, absolutely no one. This is 100% legal and beneficial to the local ecosystem. Please do not think that it is "fun" in any way, it is simply another unpleasant chore to be done out in the country.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 01:40 PM
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CHANNEL - so you are choosing to murder them. Got it.

Channelfog Sep 01, 2021 02:30 PM
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It is called culling and is helping maintain the native wildlife locally. Murder pertains solely to Humans.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 02:34 PM
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CHANNEL - you intentionally killed the cats, that is murder, no matter how you twist it. I get that animals need to be culled, but I'm unaware of any prescribed culling for cats. In fact, the County website says this:

"Although feral cats, when left unattended, can create problems such as noise, spraying, fighting, and overpopulation, when a colony is trap, neutered, and released, they can be easy to co-habitat with." https://countyofsb.org/phd/animal/feral-cats.sbc

So, again, why are you killing cats?

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 02:36 PM
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CHANNEL - you intentionally killed the cats, that is murder, no matter how you twist it. I get that some animals need to be culled (eg, foxes destroying native habitats, etc), but I'm unaware of any prescribed culling for cats. In fact, the County website says this:

"Although feral cats, when left unattended, can create problems such as noise, spraying, fighting, and overpopulation, when a colony is trap, neutered, and released, they can be easy to co-habitat with." https://countyofsb.org/phd/animal/feral-cats.sbc

So, again, why are you killing cats?

MarcelK Sep 01, 2021 02:46 PM
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"feral: 1) (especially of an animal) in a wild state, especially after escape from captivity or domestication. Similar: wild, untamed, undomesticated, untrained, unused to humans, unbroken, not broken in, not house-trained, not housebroken

2) resembling a wild animal."

"fog: something that obscures and confuses a situation or someone's thought processes."

Channelfog Sep 01, 2021 03:17 PM
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SACJON- Culling and eradicating invasive flora fauna is accepted environmental stewardship. We are protecting flora and fauna that are native and have done well with running off the poachers who were killing legally protected species. We are proud of being good land stewards who will leave the land at least as well as we found it.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 03:19 PM
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CHANNEL - feral cats aren't invasive, they're just cats living in the wild. Feel proud all you want, but don't expect a pat on the back from most people.

Roger Sep 01, 2021 03:24 PM
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Oh your having fun your full of it anyone who kills enjoys it.

Channelfog Sep 01, 2021 03:41 PM
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Cats ARE invasive and destructive to the natural environment. Cities are cat, rat and rat-poison infested environs and where environmental toast long ago. The back country is the last reserve for wild animals. We need to save that.

Channelfog Sep 01, 2021 03:45 PM
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ROGER- As I posted before, it is not fun, rather it's another unpleasant farm chore that improves the local environment. Farm life and city life are not the same!

PitMix Sep 01, 2021 03:57 PM
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Didn't know the hunting season on cats is year round. Pretty sure you could be prosecuted if someone made an issue out of it.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 04:02 PM
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CHANNEL - but feral cats ARE wild animals! Are local bird populations seriously endangered because of feral cats? If so, what species? I've never heard of this.

SBTownie Sep 01, 2021 04:14 PM
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Sac, you say you are a progressive but you are really misguided on the feral cat issue. Feral cats are one of the number one threats to wildlife in this country and the world. Please research this. Animal lovers and environmentalists must advocate for destruction of feral cats. They literally kill BILLIONS of birds in the US alone, which has been catastrophic to habitats in places like Hawaii. Please, please do better research on this topic. Feral cats should be humanely culled.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 04:25 PM
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SBTOWNIE - when did I ever say I was a "progressive?" I am actually pretty conservative on some issues. I'm far from "woke," I just don't like racists or those who defend them. For animals, I don't think any of them should be killed without a pretty strong reason. I know housecats kill many birds, but we don't go killing them now, do we? Why should wild cats be treated any different?

SBTownie Sep 01, 2021 04:38 PM
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I hate to break it to you, Sac, but you're a progressive. In any case, let's say you aren't - you seem to care about environmental issues, "doing the right thing," protecting the defenseless, defending against injustice, etc. Yeah, housecats kill tons of wildlife. It should basically be illegal to have cats outdoors. But housecats are confined to urban areas or select territory in remote areas like a farm. Feral cats have taken over entire swaths of native habitat, again in places like Hawaii, Australia, etc. Can you please just do us all a favor and google it? If you think invasive, wild cats should not be ethically culled because it's cruel, what kind of cruelty are you inflicting on each of the 600+ animals PER FERAL CAT that they kill each year. Hundreds of mammals, birds, and reptiles are killed per year by each and every feral cat and the results are disastrous.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 04:42 PM
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SBTOWNIE - interesting you've assumed my whole world view based on my comments about local issues. Are you a wizard? Nah. Hey, I know SB is beautiful, but it's not "Hawaii, Australia, etc." Sure, in those places it may be a good idea. But I'm not talking about those places, am I? I'm upset about someone taking it upon themselves to massacre feral cats in our town. We don't have the same environment nor flora/fauna as Hawaii, Australia, etc...... When it gets that bad here, come ask me about it at wherever it is you think "progressives" like me hang out lol! Until then, stop murdering wild animals!

SBTownie Sep 01, 2021 05:01 PM
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Ok, you're a... centrist? An independent thinker? What suits you best, Sac? Actually a huge problem within "environmentalism" is the tendency for people to designate some places as "special" or more worthy of environmental protection because they are stunningly gorgeous, or unique, etc. This is a sort of bias that affects all types of environmental work where people gravitate toward issues that affect showy or beautiful animals or locales, and tends not to attract much support where the animals or habitats aren't as visually impressive or awe inspiring. The reality is that all "wildlife" and ecosystems are valuable. I agree there is not a huge feral cat problem here in SB and housecats locally are almost certainly a bigger problem, but the problem is that's how it starts. People let a few feral cats live, or feed them, and don't cull them, and they reproduce and then 15 years later the problem is completely out of control. The efforts to round them all up and fix them are ultimately futile because they can never all be rounded up and cats can breed at an extraordinary rate and live very long lives during which they can continue to kill for up to two decades even if they are fixed. One thing I am sure you are not, Sac, is part of the rationalist community. Because talking about culling feral cats as "murdering them" when the goal is humane culling (for animals who have absolutely no existential dread about dying) in order to preserve precious ecosystems and species is just purely emotional and not at all a sound argument.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 05:11 PM
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SBTOWNIE -"I agree there is not a huge feral cat problem here in SB and housecats locally are almost certainly a bigger problem, but the problem is that's how it starts." - I rest my case. Slippery slope arguments aren't valid. Case closed!

SBTownie Sep 01, 2021 05:19 PM
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Sorry but you didn't "get me" with that one. And that "fallacy" is among the weakest there is. It is regularly proven invalid and is barely applicable to mathematical probability relating to items like rate of animal reproduction . Much better suited to unfalsifiable or unverifiable and impossible to measure or predict sociological phenomena. The most boring guy to argue with is always the one who wants to win with a gotcha based on a list of alleged fallacies he keeps in his head to "case close" when things aren't logically or rationally actually going his way. :) I hope you have a nice evening. I will get off this d*mn website now.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 05:34 PM
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SBTOWNIE - the point is, there is no feral cat problem right now in this area, as you yourself pointed out. As such, killing them is unnecessary. It's on you, not me, if you feel OK about this.

sacjon Sep 01, 2021 05:36 PM
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SBTOWNIE - by your logic, at-risk kids should be imprisoned before they become a problem, as "that's how it starts."

a-1630543766 Sep 01, 2021 05:49 PM
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Fog lives in a third-world country run by a mini-trump, so you should expect behavior like that.

bicyclist Sep 01, 2021 07:15 PM
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Dogs & cats going at it, how did Cats work their way in to this? I love dogs (as I stated prior), cats on the other hand NOT. Growing up back in the “Old days” we always had German Shepherds, we (all family members) spent time acclimating (training?) them to their surroundings. I’ve barely meet a dog that couldn’t tell I was its friend. Cats, too much about THEM, they sense I don’t care for their presence, so immediately rush up to rub against? (They probably can tell I’m allergic so waiting for me to start sneezing/watering eyes etc.…)

Channelfog Sep 02, 2021 04:00 AM
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@5:49- A 3rd world nation exports raw materials and imports finished products, so the US fits the definition. Not to mention the systemic destruction of small biz, need to work multiple jobs and general decline in quality of life. At least in Uruguay the health care is good and FREE to anyone who walks in the door. There are very few street people here and while not that rich, folks are generally happy. Uruguayans have weapons yet do not partake in regular, multiple killings. These are the reasons that we moved from one 3rd world country to another. Yes, we have an evangelist, tRump'ish president now, but that hasn't changed my views on anything.

Channelfog Sep 02, 2021 04:08 AM
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BICY- Folks were posting about the eradication of certain breeds of dogs, so I brought up an animal that DOES need eradication. We buried our 15 yr old Californeo Pit/Chow mix 3 weeks ago. We love animals and are anything but heartless. Now we need to find a couple rescue pups that are looking to win the doggy super-lotto!

Channelfog Sep 02, 2021 04:09 AM
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SBTOWN- Thank you for explaining this better than I did.

a-1630524046 Sep 01, 2021 12:20 PM
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What's the address of the pit bulls? I want to avoid.

Roger Sep 01, 2021 01:42 PM
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The incident occurred in the 1100 Block of Cacique, I do not give out addresses..

Henry Sarria Sep 01, 2021 01:13 PM
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Truly a bummer to hear about this. Growing up in FL I had many encounters w/ wild dogs, either in rural or urban areas. FL has a culture of just releasing dogs into the "wilds" to be on their own. Dogs are social creatures, they form packs & this is dangerous.
Don't know too many particulars in this incident, but it's sad nonetheless & even sadder is the fact it could/can be avoided.
Wildest encounter I ever had was my friend Javier & I went to Hialeah Speedway on our bikes, kind of in a rural area @ the time & we got surrounded by 5 or 6 wild dogs. We managed to escape & were lucky. That was 1974.
Fast forward to some time around mid-late 2000's in Orlando, FL, the gas company meter reader that got attacked by 2 pitbulls & had her scalp & ear torn off. In that case the dogs had an owner, but she let them run wild.
I can cite numerous other instances, but the bottom line is never let dogs run wild, especially if you're the caretaker for the dog.

Lucky 777 Sep 01, 2021 02:20 PM
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Sorry about the statistics, but a dog that has been bred as an attack dog for so many generations DOES sometimes snap and revert to type. Make all the excuses about bad owners that you want. Two weeks ago two pit bulls came out of the housing area adjacent to the La Purisima Mission in Lompoc and attacked a woman and her horse on the trail. The horse had to go to Alamo Pintado Animal Hospital for numerous bite lacerations on its legs. Then they were distracted by tastier prey and went for a baby in a stroller, whose father successfully fought them off. They ran back into the neighborhood where a woman arriving home was terrified to exit her car but was able to photograph them in her yard trying to kill her cat. Clear photos, yet as far as I know the dogs have still not been identified and apprehended, much less the owner. Save your stories about how much you wuv your widdle pitties.

PitMix Sep 01, 2021 03:54 PM
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Personally I have had more trouble with german shepherds than pits. Shepherds mauled the calf we were raising when I was a kid, and more recently charged me and my dogs when a neighbor let hers loose. The reality is that there are bad things that can happen due to dogs and other animals in our society, and it is probably best to be prepared for them. I carry pepper spray although I've never had to use it on animals or people.

SBTownie Sep 01, 2021 04:16 PM
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Shepherds are very dangerous. I agree with Pitmix. But that doesn't magically make pit bulls less dangerous. Looks like even the pro-pitties have their own dog biases based on anecdote. The statistics bear out that by the numbers pits kill more people and animals than any other breed in the USA. We had two shepherds that my parents did not adequately train when I was growing up. One attacked another dog. I can very much attest to the fact that they are difficult dogs who require a lot of training, which 95% of the population is not prepared to give adequately thus resulting in tragedies and violence. It's time to discuss the proliferation of dangerous dogs and do something about it. If it is not eradication of the breed over time, it should be licensing requirements for specific breeds.

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