Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

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Source: City of Santa Barbara

The Desal Link project will connect key community water sources by installing an underground pipeline between the Charles E. Meyer Desalination Plant and water mains connected to the Cater Water Treatment Plant.

This new pipeline will enable desalinated water to reach our entire service area while enhancing system resiliency and improving water quality. Construction will occur on Garden, Sola, Olive, Ortega, Calle Cesar Chavez, and Yanonali Streets.

Local roads will remain accessible to residents but be closed in 3 block sections during active constructions. 

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yin yang Oct 01, 2021 09:30 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

I just came upon this article about water recycling in California:
https://www.eenews.net/articles/could-la-water-recycling-be-a-miracle-for-parched-west/

RHS Sep 30, 2021 09:40 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

The former Public Works director who pushed desal after being heavily lobbied by the company and offering cover for the elected politicians is now in charge of the it seems (City Manager). Unless the elected officials actually take it on themselves to get educated and intervene things will not get better. Most elected officials love the idea that the city manager allows them to avoid controversy and simply do ribbon cuttings. We need policy direction and hands on supervision by our representatives. We have an election. Let's ask the candidates about these things.

greytfull Sep 29, 2021 04:04 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

I am all for the idea of desalinization. We are fortunate to live next to a huge source, but are people aware of the "carpet of death" pumping brine back into the ocean creates? "the success of the technology is coming at a price. This new study estimates these plants discharge 142 million cubic metres of extremely salty brine every day, a 50% increase on previous estimates.
That's enough in a year to cover the state of Florida under 30.5cm (12 inches) of brine.
The problem with all this hyper salty water is that it often contains other contaminants and can pose a significant threat to marine life.
"The salt level in the sea water is further increased because of this disposal of the concentrate brine," said Dr Manzoor Qadir from the UN University Institute for Water, Environment and Health, one of the study's authors.
"There is an increase in the temperature of this zone of the sea, together they decrease the dissolved oxygen level, which is called hypoxia and that impacts the aquatic life in that zone."
Hypoxia often leads to what are called dead zones in the oceans - Scientists say these zones have quadrupled since 1950, mainly as a result of climate change. Now the salt is adding to these problems.
"High salinity and reduced dissolved oxygen levels can have profound impacts on benthic organisms, which can translate into ecological effects observable throughout the food chain," said lead author Edward Jones, at Wageningen University, in the Netherlands.
Researchers involved in the study say the problem often originates in the age of the desalination plant. The older, reverse osmosis based technology often produced two litres of brine for every litre of drinking water." BBC

drbigness Sep 29, 2021 04:01 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

they also repaved hitchcock and then shortly after, dug up near state. they have no systems, somewhat like a second world country.
after 20 years in san diego, i can assure you they ARE building a "to tap" system now and previous writer(RHS) is correct, all our water is from someone's toilet far enough back. MAS Gaviota is also correct; saying "desal is not energy efficient, and marine life killer at the intake. plus there is sooooo much radiation from fukashima, etc., that desal cannot remove

MarcelK Sep 30, 2021 02:06 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

"there is sooooo much radiation from fukashima, etc., that desal cannot remove" -- radiation doesn't work that way; it's not an object. The seawater radiation from Fukushima is in the form of strontium-90 and other radioisotopes, which can in fact be removed.

tagdes Sep 29, 2021 09:56 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

As a retired civil engineering tech of high regard...several of you are missing the point. Agreed that the Mission should not be shown there as the pertinent info would be the end of construction starting point. Looking at the map that is of course the large house with a dog statue in front...any one that's been here for long or a tourist has seen the dog statue on one of the several Mission tours.

tagdes Sep 29, 2021 03:39 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

Duke, this was actually to be sort of tongue in cheek to prove what Achoo said but the Mission actually has nothing to do with the project. To wit, people should read the post and look at the map, the blue is new and the orange is existing which means "it's already there".

dukemunson Sep 29, 2021 12:28 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

Tadges - It's an easy reference point that everyone knows. Many people know the dog statue, but could easily could turned around regarding which street or actual area it is...the mission not so much.

RHS Sep 29, 2021 08:29 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

This is a good idea but a bit late. Hopefully it will be used in the near future to move recycled water from the sewage system to the Cater facility rather than the much more expensive desalinated water.

MarcelK Sep 30, 2021 01:58 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

"As far as I know, evaporated water can't carry salts or contaminants in the same way that sewer water does." -- from the FAQ: "Seawater enters the City’s desalination facility from 2,500 feet offshore, passing through wedge wire screens with 1 mm openings (see photo on page 2) at velocities of less than half a foot per second, which is less than typical ocean currents. Once onshore, the seawater passes through a series of filters that remove sediment, bacteria, viruses, and minerals from the water. The water is then pushed at a high pressure through reverse osmosis membranes to remove salt and other minerals. " // Also, https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/private/rainwater-collection.html "Germs and other contaminants are found in rainwater.
While useful for many things, rainwater is not as pure as you might think, so you cannot assume it is safe to drink. Rain can wash different types of contaminants into the water you collect (for example, bird poop on your roof could end up in your water barrel or tank). Rainwater can carry bacteria, parasites, viruses, and chemicals that could make you sick, and it has been linked to disease outbreaks.

The risk of getting sick from rainwater may be different depending on your location, how frequently it rains, the season, and how you collect and store the rainwater. Dust, smoke, and particles from the air can contaminate rainwater before it lands on your roof. Roofing materials, gutters, piping, and storage materials can introduce harmful substances such as asbestos, lead, and copper into the water. Dirt and germs can be washed into collected rainwater from the roof, especially when rain follows several days of dry weather."

RHS Sep 30, 2021 01:03 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

Pitmix: What about acid rain? What about our inability to drink water flowing from snow melt in the Sierras without boiling or filtering it? Contamination is endemic in our world. We need technology and science to fight it. The water treatment plants do this with skill and tools that we can trust. Municipal treated water is the safest product out there as compared to wells or runoff or untreated ground water, etc.

PitMix Sep 30, 2021 09:06 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

RHS, toilet to tap is an apt description of the actual process. And saying that all water is toilet to tap doesn't take into account our current process of discharge into the ocean, evaporation into the atmosphere, rain on land, infiltration to groundwater or diversion into Lake Cachuma, etc. As far as I know, evaporated water can't carry salts or contaminants in the same way that sewer water does. Can sewer treatment strategies other than RO ever remove all contaminants? I don't have a problem with the yuck factor as much as I don't trust the wastewater plants to consistently produce rainwater quality tap water.

Mas Gaviota Sep 29, 2021 12:00 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

Actually Orange County is the leader in reclaimed water management. They are decades ahead of "progressive" Santa Barbara. Desal is a energy intensive dead end only suitable for places like the Middle East that have cheap energy. In addition desal "fresh water" is hard on the plants.

RHS Sep 29, 2021 10:47 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

Pitmix: "Toilet to tap" is a pretty pejorative descriptive designed to put people off the idea of efficient recycling of water. All water is "toilet to tap" as no new water has been created since humanity began peeing into the creeks. The idea of recycling sewage water is in place in CA in many places but at present it involves putting the treated and processed sewage water back into the aquifer and then pumping it out. This step should be eliminated soon as the water needs increase. Places around the world simply process, treat, test and circulate directly from the sewage plant. But there is no reason why this pipeline could not put water back into the Goleta shared aquifer near the Cater plant if that seems politically necessary. Goleta and SB could share this product instead of SB providing Montecito with SB funded desalinated water.

PitMix Sep 29, 2021 10:02 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

They have no plans to do toilet to tap, do they? This pipeline is to get the desal water that Montecito is paying for to them. I don't think they do toilet to tap anywhere in California. Some places in LA do this by default by injecting the treated wastewater into groundwater and then extracting it 6 mos later for potable uses.

SantaBarbaraObserver Sep 29, 2021 08:27 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

They just spent the last few weeks re-paving Laguna St. Of course the geniuses at the city are going to tear it up and put in a pipeline... How hard is it to check with your right hand before doing this kind of work? They did the same thing on Foothill/192 a few years back. Repaved the road only a few months before they dug it up for pipe replacement... So dumb and a driving force for why most people think the city is run by overpaid idiots...

MarcelK Sep 30, 2021 01:47 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

"How hard is it to check with your right hand before doing this kind of work? " -- Pretty hard, actually. And the Streets division and the Desal project are not left and right hands of the same organism, they are distinct and independent, with different schedules and objectives.

DBD Sep 29, 2021 12:54 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

I remember them doing the same to las positas a while back. It was in terrible condition for years and then they finally repaved it, a couple of months later they dug a trench down the entire thing and then patched it. Same people must cook their chicken in the plastic bag and unwrap them after they're cooked, lol.

Ahchooo Sep 29, 2021 08:21 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

I hope they have some good valves and monitoring systems so that the desal can’t contaminate the other water, in the event of some sort of water quality issue. More plumbing leads to more opportunity for problems. But maybe I’m just imagining highly unlikely issues.

a-1632928491 Sep 29, 2021 08:14 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

Who decided that the icon of the Mission should be prominent on this map? Why not the LDS church, the Episcopal Church, the Christian Science Church, the Presbyterian Church, etc. The mission is not Santa Barbara and it is somewhat offensive to see it and its crosses so used.

NostraChumash Oct 02, 2021 10:07 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

Perhaps it is a more befitting symbol than it seems.
We all know the horrors which the Mission Santa Barbara represents..
The atrocities of rape, slavery & public murders...
So now, the salt-water of the ocean, filled with 150yrs of mans poisons..is the last bastion of hope..
It fits.

MarcelK Sep 30, 2021 01:37 PM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

I'm an atheist and I like to show my out-of-town friends "the queen of the missions". I also explain the history of the missions and their role in the oppression of indigenous peoples.

Bird Sep 29, 2021 11:19 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

I assume --- or at least hope --- that you are being sarcastic, C of SB, but given how many do seem to feel like that and how ignorant so many are about history, including the doings of, eg., the USSR that tried to erase history, one never knows....

Chip of SB Sep 29, 2021 11:11 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

You bring up a great point 8:14. The legacy of European colonialism is extremely hurtful and it is shocking that such an offensive symbol of this dark chapter of history would still feature so prominently in a city generated document. Fortunately, I feel the tide is finally turning and this type of offensive imagery will soon be eliminated. Much work remains to be done. Countless streets need new names, countless buildings and monuments need to be torn down, and countless traditions must come to an end.

bosco Sep 29, 2021 09:27 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

It's a landmark. I have no ideal where any of the other churches you listed are. Everyone knows the Mission. Really... this is an issue for you? You must be real fun at Parties.

a-1632929197 Sep 29, 2021 08:26 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

Aachoo--there is no need for this "landmark" on this map. It was willfully added and someone did so with purpose. Possibly another member of the in house men's Christian group that we have heard about lately.

PitMix Sep 29, 2021 08:26 AM
Desal Link Pipeline Project Starts This Fall

Who decided that the open space across the the mission and rocky nook area gets highlighted on this map? Why not the other parks in town? That park is not Santa Barbara and it is offensive to see it used. I'm mad as h&ll and not going to take it anymore.

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