Cutting in the Vaccine Line?

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A number of images and posts are making their way around the news media and internet showing a number of politicians, including a local representative, receiving COVID-19 vaccines under the pretext of showing the public by example that they have no fear of its safety.

Do edhatters think this is a good idea for politicians to get the vaccine ahead of front-line workers, first-responders and nursing home residents, etc.?

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jak Dec 22, 2020 12:00 PM
Cutting in the Vaccine Line?

Ah yes, This news reinforces my faith in Washington and Congress. Always trust them to do the wrong thing. And to pay for it with my money.

rubaiyat Dec 22, 2020 11:45 AM
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Every time a cowardly politician gets a shot grandma doesn't get it and she is at great risk of death.

PitMix Dec 22, 2020 10:32 AM
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LA Times has a dialogue in the Letters about who should get it first. Seniors who are most at risk of dying, or kids that are the superspreaders? I say the seniors, because they are the ones that suffer the most if they get it and have to isolate. Giving it to them will also relieve some pressure on our hospitals.

bosco Dec 22, 2020 02:46 PM
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You all realize that the Pfizer vaccine isn't approved for kids under 16 and Moderna is not approved for kids under 18 Right? You are all arguing a moot point.

PitMix Dec 22, 2020 12:55 PM
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I'm just quoting from the letters, I don't verify the accuracy of their statements. I thought it was an interesting dialogue and there were some letters from seniors that agreed kids should get it first.

sacjon Dec 22, 2020 12:39 PM
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DUKE - I'm 100% with you on schools. I used that as an example though. If they opened schools with zero precautions, docs/scientists agree it could be a super spreader. I wouldn't send my kids to school with no precautions. But yeah, kids out of school and playing on their own with no supervision or adherence to the safety rules is far more risky than a school with precautions and monitoring in place.

dukemunson Dec 22, 2020 12:30 PM
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Sacjon - Yes, kids can spread it as well. As per public health though, studies are showing that keeping kids out of school is leading to more spread...schools are a safer and better monitored spot than the alternative. And since all schools at this point would/do have precautions...keeping schools closed is THE LESS SAFE OPTION.

sacjon Dec 22, 2020 12:27 PM
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VOR - also, it is pretty common knowledge by now that kids can spread the virus. Even if they're not "superspreaders" by your definition, they are very capable of spreading the virus and in an unprotected situation (ie, school with no precautions), they can spread it to a "super" amount of people - staff, parents, etc. This is common, accepted fact.

sacjon Dec 22, 2020 12:24 PM
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VOR - Nope, just trying to help out PIT. Did you already read all 3 of those? Wow!

Simpleton Dec 22, 2020 12:20 PM
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Serious question: does either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine have an indication for use that includes children under the age of 18 years old? I have read that they do not, while others say that the indication will be (or has been) expanded recently. Ditto pregnant women.

Voice of Reason Dec 22, 2020 12:14 PM
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Did you read those Sac? they aren't that supportive of kids being super spreaders. not to mention, that is opposite of what the CDC and WHO says.

sacjon Dec 22, 2020 12:10 PM
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VOR - simple google search:

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/looking-at-children-as-the-silent-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2/

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/09/30/largest-covid-19-contact-tracing-study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/10/01/919237103/kids-and-superspreaders-are-driving-covid-19-cases-in-india-huge-study-finds

LCP112233 Dec 22, 2020 12:06 PM
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Voice. Maybe Pit can "do your work for you" and put a source for his statement. LOL! He does that for me if I ask. He's very helpful that way. Hahaha!

Voice of Reason Dec 22, 2020 11:27 AM
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What a sec Pit: "kids that are the superspreaders" can you please back that up?

PitLocal Dec 22, 2020 10:02 AM
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Personally I'm not convinced that adequate studies have been performed under Operation Warp Speed. I'm concerned about making the legitimate first responders, doctors, nurses as our guinea pigs for this short shrifted testing process. What if it goes fatefully wrong, and we've done harm to some of our most valuable, service oriented members of society? So, shoot, if the politicians and connected influencers of our society want to 'cut in line' for the vaccinations, that's just a greater statistical sample in the true determination of the risks associated with the new vaccine.

bosco Dec 22, 2020 12:03 PM
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A couple of clarifiers here. mRNA vaccines have been studied for close 8 years now. The ingredients in the vaccine are all known and have their own safety profiles that are well understood. It's true that approval for this particular concoction has been accelerated. But, when you break down the individual elements of the vaccine and apply some basic biology/toxicology knowledge, there is likely very little risk. Most vaccine effects present themselves within the first 30 days of vaccination and that timeline has already been proven safe. The world can't wait a couple of more years for long term studies to prove what we likely already know. This needs to be rolled out now and as fast as possible so we can save lives and get back to our "mostly" normal life.

Ahchooo Dec 22, 2020 10:33 AM
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I still say we can stick with the priority schedule. There are millions of people who want the vaccine ASAP, health care workers, etc, who will gladly be guinea pigs. Don’t let the smarmy politicians cut the line.

pstarSR Dec 22, 2020 10:30 AM
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Pit, Ill give you the benefit of the doubt that this has been wildly confusing in the media. the Pfizer vaccine was not part of warp speed. the vaccine went through its trials like it should, we have the data. we have clinical trials just for this. I would like to help clear anything else up on this, so ask away. but honestly you are really not looking at this correctly. I understand it could be your opinion and I will honor that. but a vaccine with 94% efficacy is ridiculously good and so far there have been little ( .0002% with some allergy to an ingredient ) to no "concerning" side effects.

Ahchooo Dec 22, 2020 09:36 AM
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I’d like for everyone to get the vaccine eventually, but I’d prefer to skip politicians until all the health care workers, grocery store staff and teachers have had a chance. Marco Rubio, etc., can inspire others to get their shots after that. Plenty of people are already eager to be vaccinated, so let’s give it to them first and let the contrarians stay at risk awhile longer.

Shame Dec 22, 2020 07:46 AM
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Lol watching some political figure get a shot is not enough to convince me to get one.

pstarSR Dec 22, 2020 10:26 AM
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is potentially death enough? or death of someone you know? inquiring minds would like to know where your tipping point is. As currently, this makes zero sense.

BigDD8 Dec 22, 2020 07:21 AM
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Publicly vaccinating persons who truly have influence on our thinking and behavior (along with the most essential workers) would be more effective. Public figures in our popular culture exert more influence than elected officials. These very people (from the arts and sports) have been effective in past media/video campaigns to change hearts and minds (think of the concerts and recorded group songs and public service messages) and maybe they could make a big difference now with vulnerable people who are afraid or skeptical. I'm not talking everyone/anyone in the arts and sports (nor am I excluding key politicians from this initial vaccination effort), but enlisting a big handful of those who are widely admired and respected and followed could be just the shot in the arm we need now.

PitMix Dec 22, 2020 06:50 AM
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Of course our "royalty" was going to put themselves first in line. I wonder why Mr. Carbajal got the vaccine, because he has already been diagnosed with the disease and recovered? Probably most of his supporters are not opposed to getting the vaccine so his explanation of leading by example doesn't wash. If a health care worker dies because they couldn't get the vaccine in time, will he feel the least bit guilty? Probably not.

PitMix Dec 22, 2020 08:33 AM
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They get the vaccine next after our royalty and health care workers. Teachers, cops, firefighters, postal workers, grocery store workers. My nephew that cooks food at a hospital already got his.

a-1608609510 Dec 21, 2020 07:58 PM
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I believe there's some, probably a lot of, good in having politicians, especially in the executive branch, get it. It's in the interest of continuity of government.

I want to see healthcare workers and front-line essential workers, grocery store employees and delivery people, prioritized. This seems to be getting done.

Basicinfo805 Dec 21, 2020 06:57 PM
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I agree with Bosco. Realistically, there are so many people out there that "aren't sure" or are outright "anti-vaccines" that we need the high profile politicians getting a shot in the arm on camera, just to hope to try to maximize the number of people out there who will get the vaccine. It's kind of sad but there's a lot of people who will only do it if they watch a politician on CNN or KEYT get a shot on the nightly news. If we didn't have so many anti vaxxers, it would be different. But unfortunately that's not reality.

Alexblue Dec 22, 2020 11:23 AM
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Basic, you just can't fix stupid. Conspiracy theorists and science deniers will never be swayed by public figure leadership because everything plays into their grand delusions of conspiracy. They will just say the shot was fake, because, you know, everything can now be disregarded as "fake" thanks to a certain pumpkin headed con man. So, frankly, it's Darwinism at work.

a-1608605405 Dec 21, 2020 06:50 PM
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Politicians are not essential workers. They should be given priority based on age and health just like everyone else.

PitMix Dec 22, 2020 08:35 AM
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Tulsi Gabbard and a few others declined to take the shot until at risk seniors get theirs. Props to them. AOC and some republican covid-deniers like Graham and Ernst have already gotten theirs.

krichards Dec 21, 2020 06:12 PM
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If you are referring to lawmakers like Mike Pence, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, Joni Ernst, etc. who have until now played down the pandemic, encouraged "herd immunity", and have generally been dismissive of public health guidance and complicit in the spread of the virus, then I would agree that it is utterly hypocritical of them to jump the line to get the vaccination (which they all have).

Ahchooo Dec 21, 2020 04:29 PM
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It’s good for the President, Vice President and the President-elect and Vice President-elect to be vaccinated, because keeping them alive and healthy is generally considered good for the stability of our government. Beyond that, politicians need to get in line with everyone else. Many are elderly and will get their shots fairly soon anyway. But their lives are no more important than anyone else’s.

bosco Dec 21, 2020 04:15 PM
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I am ok with it. It's a form of leadership. It's a bit of a spectacle but if it makes at least some people more comfortable with it, it is worth it. It's not like they're taking up thousands of vaccines from front line workers, it's a drop in the bucket when hundreds of thousands of vaccines are being made each week. I have family that work at Cottage and got the vaccine recently. After speaking with many ICU nurses and MD's on the front lines, reviewing the safety literature and ingredient list (I am a healthcare professional myself), I can say there is NO reason anyone should be afraid of this vaccine. This IS the answer to the Pandemic. So before the anti-vax conspiracy theorists hit this thread, please do everyone a favor and get the shot as soon as you are able. If you are still concerned, speak with a Doctor you trust.

pstarSR Dec 21, 2020 04:13 PM
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I think , yes and no. honestly, they are giving the vaccine to the people that need it right now. but they are intermixing a few politicians and others. this probably is a good thing, because there are soo many ( ill informed ) people that seem to think the vaccine is dangerous. this should help ease some of that. since healthcare workers, elderly, etc are not "publicly" showing themselves getting the vaccine. so the same people that argue "I dont know anyone who has had this SUPPOSID covid..." will say the same thing with this " I dont know anyone who has gotten the vaccine yet, so I wont........" But in the end, I WHOLE HEARTIDLY agree, front line workers/ medical workers should be vaccinated first.

a-1608594195 Dec 21, 2020 03:43 PM
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This is a tough one. I feel it's important for our top level elected officials to receive the vaccine and important to set a good example. I also feel it's a load of crap that some of these same politicians who said this virus is a hoax and never wore a mask and now rushing to get the vaccine for a virus they didn't believe in. Ultimately, hospital staff should get this before anyone else.

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