Cruise Ship Lands in Santa Barbara

100% AGREE. Upvoted.

You should stay home and stay safe.

Wait until you see the exhaust plume drifting down to Montecito when it pulls anchor. Cruise ships should be illegal. The don't conform to the rules everyone else has to follow.

MAR 16, 2022 06:08 PM Agree 100%. Please take my upvote.

That they are and that we are.

nah, we have plenty of tourists, the problem is, our downtown retail sector has disappeared. cruise ships are floating petri dishes and the ships themselves dump loads of waste into the harbor (grey and black), and the ships disrupt a lot of already ongoing activities, then it also ties up the sea landing and puts cranky ship security guards that like to be wanna be tough guys. it's really lame honestly. we don't make that much in retail from them. the CITY makes about half a million from the contract PER ship....that is where the money is. just the ship paying the city to pollute the harbor.

Incorrect. There are very tight controls on where they can dump grey/black water, and it certainly isn't in our harbor or near our coastline.

we werent always a tourist town.

KARMASB. Take my upvote. WAY too many people in denial about these mega polluters.

How do you know cruise ships follow guidelines there big corporations big bucks do you have your nose out there

No but tourism stared and boomed all the way back to the 1870s - 1880s when Santa Barbara was promoted as one the best Health Resorts in the US because of the incredible climate and location. Tourism brings more than one billion dollars per year into the local economy, including $80 million in tax revenue.

The ships don't come into the harbor or anywhere near it, including not at Sea Landing! That would be something to see! The City gets $7/passenger --- "half a million"/ship would mean more than 7,100 passengers/ship --- LOL!

Hey they finally let kids take their masks off in school on Monday...

I thought they said it ended on Monday? although I noticed that Firefox (web browser) update to 98.01 REMOVED a couple of the "Russian search engines" per the "What's new" link. the actual text is:
"Yandex and Mail.ru have been removed as optional search providers in the drop-down search menu in Firefox."

Because we have a power hungry and corrupt governor with a super-majority of the State legislator who are bootlickers for the DNC and ALWAYS toe the party line, which focuses on the needs, wants, and demands of the special interest group and greater national DNC agenda over their actual constituents - the people of the State of California.

A reporter with Bloomberg News asked Gov. Newsom: “Do you see the potential, as many others in the Party do, for a new progressive era and opportunity for additional progressive steps?” The governor admittedly gave a long-winded answer which culminated in, “yes,” admitting there is political opportunity born out of the pandemic. “There is opportunity for reimagining a progressive era as it pertains to capitalism,” Gov. Newsom said. “So yes, absolutely we see this as an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern.”

He has no interest in relinquishing his emergency powers.

ahhhhh funny guy! Are you implying that the other party, RNC, does not do this as well? The way your blowing your trumpet, certainly sounds as if you are insinuating that. Because you know....we all know how honest, and non corrupt the RNC is. We all know how they act when they lose and how they love to promise things on a blank check, while claiming to be conservatives, hey lets give out free tax rebates and this and that, then blame the other party. it's all stupid....and both parties are the same and the day you open your eyes and realize that the Right side and RNC are just as corrupt and just as much of a basket of liars as are the left, is the day you will be able to breath a sigh of relief...

I live in California, the RNC has no power or presence here. Though I agree, both sides are mostly a bunch of swindling liars, which by default forces me to usually vote for the party that wants these swindlers and their bureaucrats to have less power and control over our day to day lives. It amazes me that people look at the situation we're in and think the solution is a bigger and more involved government.

Really? The people on these ships are on a budget, average age 70, they are not big spenders,big spenders have their own boats....the people on budgets eat and drink on the ships, take a day pack with food and drink...the only thing they provide is the spread of disease and the dumping of pharmaceuticals into our local ocean through waste water dumping. Santa Barbara is getting a bad deal.

Are you okay Sun?

Are you okay?

SUN - none of what you said is true. These coastal cruises from SF are expensive, they're not your cheap 3 day Ensenada cruises. I highly doubt the average age is 70 and so what if it is? That does nothing for your "argument." If they go on shore, they spend on shore. You don't buy food on the ship to take with you. It's not worth it. Finally, none of the "Waste water" (including pharmaceuticals) is dumped in our coastal water. The ships don't sit off our coast dumping trash and sewage into our fisheries. It's the California coast. Do you really think that would be allowed? Again. Nothing you say is true, just anger and myths.

Cruise Ship Pollution vs Cars

Would you be shocked to know that each day, cruises around the world emit the equivalent pollution of a million cars? The vast majority of cruise ships run on dirty, heavy fuel. Their toxic emissions are expensive to abate, which results in extreme amounts of particulate matter filling the air.

Just one mid-sized cruise ship can use 150 tons of fuel daily. Why so much fuel? The engines on cruise ships run 24/7 — even if when they’re in ports. While not at sea, the cruise ship still has to be fully operational. The hotel facility must be heated, cooled, and illuminated for guests needs. The spa and restaurants continue to serve guests. And all of this combined takes a whole lot of energy! The energy comes from the ship’s engines — which are forced to produce the same energy that’s required to power a small city.

Port communities and passengers are stuck taking the brunt of this pollution. The emissions that passengers breath while on a cruise are over 20 times higher than on a busy, polluted roadway.
Cruise Ship Pollution vs Planes

Now that we’ve illuminated just how bad cruise ship pollution is, you likely aren’t going to be surprised when we tell you that cruise ship pollution is also worse than flying. Comparing mile to mile, the carbon footprint of a cruise is worse than an airplane. This even factors in the damage from emissions at higher altitude from flying.

Many people have the false assumption that cruising is greener than flying. While both emit pollution into the atmosphere, cruise ships are far worse. Per passenger, per mile, a cruise emits almost double the carbon dioxide.

Cruise ship emissions are also harmful to marine environments and its inhabitants. Cruise ships are notorious for utilizing the cheapest fuel on the market. They then use scrubbers to “clean” their smokestacks, and the pollutants are dumped directly into the ocean — warming the seas and poisoning marine wildlife.
Are Cruise Ships Bad for the Environment?

As we outlined above, cruises are bad for the environment. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. We only hit the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the ways that cruises are bad for the environment. They also:

Dump raw sewage and waste into the ocean
Increase ocean noise
Increase pollution in port cities
Develop damaging ports in diverse, biologically rich locations
Spread bacteria and viruses
And more!

These ships cost a billion dollars or more to build. The cruise industry has deep pockets, yet giant cruise corporations continue to use the cheapest fuel allowed and do nothing to rein in their emissions and pollution.

why do we "need" it. isnt our community enough to support local business?
if not, then isnt "that" local business not viable? if it relies on tourist money, and cruise ships.

Sun, Please include attribution for articles.

I found this: https://foe.org/blog/solutions-to-cruise-ship-pollution/
Friends of the Earth

It's just the proper thing to do unless you wrote it yourself.

We probably don't "need" the ships but people have a right to travel --- we probably don't "need" most of the airplane traffic, either; maybe all non-essential airplanes should land and take off in Ventura, is that what you're saying? ... That said, I'd much rather not see the ships here but there are a lot of things here that I wish I didn't see.

BASIC - looks like at least 3 miles offshore: https://europe.oceana.org/es/press-center/press-releases/cruise-passengers-demand-cruise-industry-end-dumping-raw-sewage-ocean#:~:text=U.S.%20law%20allows%20cruise%20ships,comply%20with%20higher%20state%20standards.

I'm sure it depends on the state of the port as well. I don't think CA is OK with sewage only 3 miles off our beaches.

Think of it this way, does a wave 3 or 5 miles out make it to shore?

While it may be legal, modern cruise ships don't dump raw/untreated sewage, it is treated in a similar fashion to how Santa Barbara treats it's raw sewage, which Santa Barbara then pumps only 1.5 miles offshore, into the ocean.

@vor ....unfortunately, this is not the case, raw sewage is dumped into the ocean

Sun is 100% correct. let me remind you these are corporations that find any area, any loophole to not spend money on labor or work.

so they dont treat it, because its not required.

Cruise ships also know most people are at least somewhat environmentally conscious to do have sewage treatment systems on board and do not dump raw sewage overboard: https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2021/01/30/where-does-the-poop-go-cruise-ship https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-ideas/cruises/what-really-happens-to-your-poo-when-staying-on-a-cruise-ship/news-story/c4f45391a07a51863efc3d5633d51c8e

SUN. The energy wave makes it to shore. The water is more ore less stationary and only rises and falls as the wave passes.

a down vote for known science???

Outside of 12 miles from shore; the captains sign agreements to that effect. ChannelKeeper inspects.
Where were all you complainers last week when it was at the city council (and there was an edhat listing of the council agenda) or, before that, at the Harbor Commission? ...You might well have made a difference speaking then!

Write to the city council members. They just voted to allow the cruise ships, all but one of them. Not sure they read Edhat, so write to them directly.