Cluster of COVID-19 Cases in Isla Vista Fraternity and Sorority Houses

VOICE - again, my opinion. Further, saying what we should have done is not "misinformation," so please quit with that. What IS misinformation, and should be prevented from posting, is saying that just because people still get COVID while wearing masks, that masks are ineffective. That is just not true. If wearing a masks is even 1% effective in slowing the spread, we should ALL wear one. It is a pretty small request to wear a mask when you're unable to be 6' away from someone else in a confined area.

What is your point though, anyway? You don't like wearing a mask, yet you do (thank you, I guess?) so what is it you want? You want us to know they're not 100% effective? Pretty sure we all know it. Want us to stop saying "shoulda woulda coulda" about wearing masks? Fine, if it makes you feel better, I'll stop repeating what the CDC has said many times.

At this point, anyone who thinks that masks are not a vital part of controlling this pandemic is either a complete fool or a propagandist for an even bigger fool.

Sacjon, specifically this: "if we all just wore the damn masks, we could have gotten it under control sooner." that is false for the reasons stated in my post. While I do wear a mask when I have to because I'm not an a-hole, improper usage will increase your risk of catching covid or other virusus / bacterial infections. The study I cited would actually back this up. Imagine this, your healthy and walking around with your mask on, touching doors, handles, whatever, then you adjust your mask, or take it off to put on later. Well now you've potentially transferred a respiratory virus from your hand, to this mask (which doesn't filter out the virus), which you're now breathing in and out of = the virus is now in your nose/lungs. It's like how can I increase the chances of getting a virus? Put it on this piece of cloth I breathe in and out of! Image you weren't wearing a mask, touching everything, them maybe even your cheek, much less risk of contamination. Just like the CDC said from the very beginning, and for all prior respiratory illnesses (until it became a symbol), 1) stay home when sick, 2) wash your hands often, 3) avoid touching your face. No masks needed.

VOICE - what "misinformation?" I simply stated my opinion that it "might" have and "could" have possibly worked if we completely shut down at the beginning. Wear a damn mask, it's not going to hurt you.

Sacjon, stop spreading misinformation. While masks provide a narrow benefit when used appropriately (which no one does because that involves not touching your mask), specifically it assists in preventing asymptomatic people from spreading the virus to people they're in close contact with (defined as indoors, closer than 6 feet, for longer than 15 minutes), the idea that if everyone always wore masks we'd have the virus under control is completely false. Just as it isn't possible to lockdown for a month and have the virus disappear. The CDC and WHO never ever recommended masks for those not sick, even recommended against them, for all other respiratory viruses prior to and even during covid. This narrative only changed when politics and "image" got involved. Now masks are simply virtue signally 95% of the time. Just look at every state and country and their covid cases overtime, mask use did not lead to a reduction in cases. "well not everyone was wearing a mask" you will probably argue, well this CDC study shows that 85% of the covid positive patients always (71%), or often (14%) wore a mask. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm

M-CUBED - I think theoretically you might be right. If we completely shut down EVERYTHING and stayed in our homes, going absolutely nowhere, the virus could have died off. However, this just wasn't/isn't feasible, especially in this country where people value their freedoms to the extent they're willing to kill fellow Americans for just the perception that they might be infringing on them. The CDC has said though, multiple times, if we all just wore the damn masks, we could have gotten it under control sooner. Again though, we live in a country where perceived personal "freedoms" are held higher than the public good. People pushed back against "oppression" and some have gone so far as to try to commit treason (overthrowing the MI and other states' governments). We're a country of simple folk who feel their "rights" are more important than their own kids being safe.

you are 100% wrong and don't take the vaccine.

Yeah, set loose the dogs of death! Let's ravage both the economy and the population, with lingering effects for years to come! (And then still have a problem, since immunity to the virus seems like it might be short-lived.)

While we don't have the world's best medical care, at least as far as access, why would anyone believe our death rate could be reasonably compared to most third world countries, and thus conclude we have fewer deaths than our due? Seems a little simplistic and naive.

Midwest is running out of hospital beds. 25% of people hospitalized are dying, down from 30% initially. Doesn't seem like things are getting better to me.

I don't think anyone thinks he has done a great job, no one could have done a great job with how hyper-partisan our nation is right now. (i.e. on side tries to limit travel from China, the other goes to Chinatown and proclaims how safe it is and to come on down). The smart, science based response went out the window when we abandoned 15 days to flatten the curve and stopped focusing on hospital capacity. If you look not at the number of cases, but the mortality rates and hospitalization rates from before July and after July it would appear as if we're battling two different viruses. One was very serous and deadly, the other wouldn't even meet the CDC's definition of pandemic.

i can only imagine how awful things are in north korea

Trump sucks... but that’s also ridiculously simplistic and dumb. We actually report deaths (and cause thereof) in America... that’s obviously not universal. The real Chinese death toll will never be known... let alone most other countries in the world.

Hold on!!! The Belarusian President wants to have a word about how you ignored his “hockey and vodka” defense to Covid!!!!

JIMBO212 - My bad, we are only 1 of TWO countries on earth treating it as a hoax.... Thanks for catching that!

SACJON. This is incorrect: "we are the ONLY country where this was treated as a hoax or at best, a mild flu". The president of Brazil also dismissed it as a mild flu. Now Brazil has the second most COVID deaths in the world, just behind the US.

US still has more cases by percent and higher death rates. That is all on Trump.

100% what SACJON said.

Hoax or not (I don't believe for a second it's a hoax), you gotta wonder though. After seven months or so, the hoax president, without taking any precautions, no mask, joking it up, denying, hanging out with lots of people not wearing masks...basically living in a toxic Covid cloud for all that time gets Covid. Then, you have your careful, calculated Salud Carajal, taking every precautions, following all the rules, mask, hand washing, keeping distance, avoiding crowds, and pretty much living in a bubble....gets Covid. I guess my point is, that if you're going to get Covid, you're gonna get it no matter what. Trump and Salud: Covid Survivors. One is a rotten egg, and the other is a hero.

ANDREA - the US could never "dodge" COVID no matter who was in office. That's not what people are upset about. It's that, once it was here (which it would inevitably be), it was ignored, called a "hoax," lied about and those who tried to take it seriously were ridiculed and even physically attacked. Our cases spiked higher than any country on earth. Why? Because we are the ONLY country where this was treated as a hoax or at best, a mild flu. That is why people are pissed off at our leadership.

500 kids under 17 died of flu in 2018-19. Another 1,000 aged 20-30 died. Not trivial if you are one of those 1,500. Or is that what you mean by all fine?

but the teachers are in the OTHER demographic that DIE

OOPS - Again, you're missing the point. Not just their parents are at risk. EVERYONE they come into contact with/have contacted while asymptomatic is at risk. These greek homes have cleaners and some have their own chefs. These students go out and about in the community. EVERYONE they contact is at risk of infection and spreading it. Stop minimizing what even Trump acknowledged (not sure now) as a deadly and dangerous virus.

Uh, VOICE OF REASON, you do realize that many "at risk" people have no choice but to go out? They have to go to work, to the pharmacy, to the grocery store?

I do get it. they are UCSB partying, they are not going home. If they do go home, their parents can manage their own exposure risk...they know what their kids are doing...they get the visa bill every month with the liquor bill.

VOICE - I never said lockdown, I'm actually heading out to watch some live sports now, all observers wearing masks. No, I simply tried to correct OOPS' outdated "theory" that just because they're young, it doesn't matter if they get COVID. Not true. They could have already infected many at risk/elderly people without even knowing it. It DOES matter when young people get this. Never said lockdown, just take this crap seriously. That's all, I'm out!

Sacjon, you still don't get it. Isolating the at risk and elderly means these kids don't go home and hug their grandma. My kids haven't hugged my parents since this started and they're in elementary school (technically not even in school). The young and healthy who will shake off this virus like a cold are exactly the ones who should be out and about. At risk and elderly, stay home, stay safe, no problem. You really think it's feasible for everyone to lockdown until a vaccine is developed? Lockdowns and restrictive measures do not eliminate the virus. If all the young and healthy catch it now, while the at risk stay safe, we'll have a lot less problems later and be able to move past covid quicker.

OOPS - you still don't get it do you? Yeah, these kids will probably be fine, but what about their parents, grandparents, house cleaners, etc who they can infect? You do realize young people, while less likely to develop complications, are still contagious, right? They can still kill plenty of other people around them. Do you care at all?

I cant post the link, but it was the a report about Arizona and the cases recorded when the mask mandate went into effect, compared to when restrictions were lifted. it showed the spikes from non mask use and restrictions on social distancing being lifted. like I said I cant link it persay, but a quick google search will bring it up.

I've seen studies on particulate matter, but could someone please share a link that shows a place where cases leveled off or started dropping after mask mandates went into effect?

#bebest

Voice of Treason - that's not true at all. Look across all new sources not just FAUX. People who spread propaganda like that makes me wonder if they are just not educated or if they have nefarious motives.

And the "China" virus, as Trump calls it, did not come in from China. The strain was brought from Europe. So glad Trumps DHS just let everybody flood the airports without any plan.....

VOICE - Everyone, including Biden (who isn't the president, yet) has laid out a plan. That plan would have been to take this seriously from the get go. Not shame people for trying to protect themselves. Not tell your followers to go back to school or you'll take away their funding. Not force people to be around you while you're contagious with a deadly disease. Not call it a "liberal hoax" while you KNOW it is a deadly, dangerous disease. Not tell your followers that masks are useless. Not encourage your followers to follow your lead and tease and belittle those who are taking this seriously. Basically, the plan is/was, don't do ANTYHING Trump did once the virus was here.

People keep saying that but no one, including Biden, has laid out a plan of what should have happened that would have magically prevented the US from catching a virus that has affected every corner of the globe (and was probably already in the US in 2019). Our extended issues here in CA are the result of Newsom not Trunp.

why would you NOT bring up trump, hes the one that caused the extended issues we are having with the pandemic. so yes, bring up trump everytime you talk about covid19. because he is responsible for where we are.

More like TSDS Trump Sheep Derangement Syndrome. Surprised you might be a functioning adult.

An outbreak at an IV fraternity and you've got to bring up Trump. TDS in full swing...