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ChillinGrillin Apr 11, 2022 02:52 PM
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The whole nonexistent CRT thing the right-wingers won't stop whining about is just a giant strawman fallacy. It's nothing but a clumsy attempt to smear long-overdue inclusion of minority perspectives in curriculum. History is ugly and new lesson plans aren't even scratching the surface. Teachers could talk about how slave owners raped their "property" then enslaved their own mixed-race children. Or about how slaves were shackled and stacked like firewood in wooden ships for weeks with horrendous mortality rates. Or about how redlining in mortgage lending, sharecropping, and the prison industrial complex have put minorities on an uneven playing field in recent history. The GOP definitely doesn't want nice white kids in the South learning about any of that.

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 08:06 PM
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VOICE - still waiting for your explanation.... Of course you would suddenly go crickets roflol

a-1649725197 Apr 11, 2022 05:59 PM
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I think by now, most people realize that you can take anything that the Voice or the Chip posts (even when anonymous, as their flair for the inane is distinctive), surround it with a pair of parentheses, and add the word NOT at the beginning, and come up with something that's finally true.

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 05:17 PM
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VOICE - My comment at 4:06 CONTAINS quotes from you. Since you're having such a difficult time with this simple process, here you go again:

"Still thinking this cartoon is about history huh?" 2:36pm today

"If you're thinking this issue is about teaching or not teaching the facts of history you'd be wrong." 12:51pm today

Now, explain to us why this the issue with CRT (and this cartoon) is not about "teaching the facts of history."

a-1649722253 Apr 11, 2022 05:10 PM
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Wow, okay. That wasn't me at 4:06, that was you Sacjon. I didn't think I need to specify this part, but what words [that I have written] that I didn't back up? It appears you're looking to start some argument with me over what you think my thoughts are on the matter. Typical.

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 04:51 PM
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"Please make sure to look at the actual words used " - Already did. See 4:06. Now tell us all, if this isn't about teaching historical facts, what is it about? You saying CRT is teaching lies? Come on, man up and explain the issue here.

dukemunson Apr 11, 2022 04:42 PM
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I disagree with you often Chillin, but your 353pm comment is spot on!

a-1649720482 Apr 11, 2022 04:41 PM
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Links from credible sources were provided to back up the comments I've made here. What words am I not backing up? Please make sure to look at the actual words used vs. trying spin them into whatever stereotypical "faux news right-wing propaganda" meaning you think I intended.

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 04:14 PM
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VOICE - "goal posts?" YOU SAID THOSE WORDS. You said I was wrong TWICE about CRT and then flat out refused to explain why.

I gave you your inconsequential "win" about it being taught in a few schools, but that's it. You need to back up your words or pack it up man.

dukemunson Apr 11, 2022 04:11 PM
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That's actually quite well put Chillin! It's at odds with what a certain percentage of the far left's position is, and is quite measured, moderate and reasonable...I agree with you completely!

a-1649718489 Apr 11, 2022 04:08 PM
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Keep those goalposts moving Sacjon!

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 04:11 PM
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"Not going to get into CRT specifics here" - ie, I don't squat about what I'm talking about and just here to spout the same things FOX tells me to.

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 04:06 PM
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VOICE - wow, you are an absolute piece of work. You're coming in here telling everyone they're wrong, yet you refuse to give specific examples of what you think CRT is. You come in and say "If you're thinking this issue is about teaching or not teaching the facts of history you'd be wrong" and "Still thinking this cartoon is about history huh?" yet you REFUSE (likely because you're unable) to explain WHAT, specifically, is wrong.

Back up your comments as to the content of CRT and this article. If a few schools are teaching it, so what? The ENTIRE point here is that it's NOT INDOCTRINATION to teach historical facts through the lens of minorities.

You got your pathetic little "win" there, but you still FAILED to back your claims that we're all wrong about CRT. Absolute joke.

a-1649717869 Apr 11, 2022 03:57 PM
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Not going to get into CRT specifics here, but you and several others said is was "nonexistent'' in schools, it was only taught in law schools, it's a conspiracy theory, and only those that follow extreme right-wing propaganda think it is occurring. The post @3:38 shows you're wrong.

dukemunson Apr 11, 2022 03:57 PM
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How far do you take it though...most are OK with no longer celebrating Columbus, but changing school names because Lincoln and Washington are now somehow "problematic"?

ChillinGrillin Apr 11, 2022 03:53 PM
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I love the United States and my wife, not for their absolute perfection but for their overall goodness despite less-than-ideal circumstances. There seems to be a disconnect between definitions of patriotism. One takes our country, flaws and all, and loves it, wanting to learn about the sources and dynamics of the flaws. The other definition pretends there are no flaws, the US is the shining perfect city on the hill. I take the first definition to be more valid, it's important for any organization or person to learn from their mistakes, not pretend they never happened.

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 03:47 PM
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VOICE at 3:38 - What, specifically, do you think they're teaching in relation to CRT in K-12? Give a specific example of a historical fact that is being altered, biased or whatever you think is happening.

a-1649716705 Apr 11, 2022 03:38 PM
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8%, or nearly 1 out of 10, say they have taught or discussed CRT topics with their K-12 students. That's the average, it's grows to 20% in urban schools (which are overwhelming liberal but we'll put that aside for now).

4.1% report being mandated or required to teach CRT at this time. 11% believe CRT should be required or mandated.

So please go on about how this is "nonexistent" in K-12, only taught in "law schools", and it's just right-wing propaganda?

dukemunson Apr 11, 2022 03:15 PM
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Chillin's post would be an example of teaching in a way that seeks to condemn the US for anything and everything. Not sure your ideology can be completely equated to CRT, but one can can see where a teacher with your thought process would be problematic to people who have a bit more perspective, not to mention concept of world history.

dukemunson Apr 11, 2022 01:46 PM
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History of course must be taught...and that of course includes the good, the bad and the ugly. Where we falter is (once again!!) the extremes on both sides taking extreme positions.

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 12:35 PM
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The more I read some of the comments from the usual "Right" here, I understand the cartoon's intent. So many equate any teaching of American History during our more unsavory (to say the least) times, as "indoctrination" or "CRT." It displays a fundamental lack of understanding what Critical Race Theory truly is. Teaching about what the white people did to so many ethnic groups over the course of our history, is simply teaching facts. Those facts make some of you obviously uncomfortable. CRT is much more than just facts, it's critical analysis. Something FAR beyond what is being taught it K-12. It's easy for the right to label any teaching of historical facts as "CRT," but as we see here in this cartoon and these comments, it's misplaced paranoia.

If our history is uncomfortable for you, maybe it's time to reflect instead of blaming "liberals" for "indoctrinating" your kids with facts.

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 01:17 PM
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VOICE at 12:51 - You, once again, made my point for me, thank you. The cartoon is calling out those who cry and moan about "CRT" when their kids learn the facts about American History.

But, since you are intent on saying I'm wrong about something, do tell us..... what IS the "issue?"

a-1649706700 Apr 11, 2022 12:51 PM
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If you're thinking this issue is about teaching or not teaching the facts of history you'd be wrong.

RHS Apr 10, 2022 06:42 PM
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Nothing that new. Back in the mid-20th century we were impelled by the Christian White Community to include "In God We Trust" on our money and to add it to the Pledge of Allegiance against the specific philosophy of the Pledge as created. We are not "One Nation Under God" but One Nation with room for all philosophies. This war is ongoing between people with free minds and people shackled with superstition and dogma and a willingness to have others tell them what to think and do. The test of democracy is can it continue to survive such buffeting?

chico berkeley Apr 11, 2022 05:32 PM
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Sorry,that statement is a lie.
Democracy has nothing to do with it!

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 04:21 PM
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4pm - So you believe these teachers are teaching historical analytics to elementary school kids? Just because VOICE posted a link to a couple surveys (not the most reliable sources, since you know.... people can lie), doesn't make it so.

The bigger issue is, so what if they ARE teaching it? What, specifically, do you think schools are teaching about race and history that they shouldn't be teaching to K-12 kids?

a-1649718014 Apr 11, 2022 04:00 PM
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The links @3:38 show you're incorrect Sacjon, with a not insignificant % of educators saying it should CRT should be mandatory curriculum.

dukemunson Apr 11, 2022 03:55 PM
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Sac - That's the history of mankind. It's been terrible to anyone that looks different, is weaker, is female, etc. Taking a wide angle lens though...the history of America is pretty remarkable in how much we've accomplished and how far we've come on so many of these things.

dukemunson Apr 11, 2022 03:53 PM
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Sac - I don't think that they are teaching much in the way of actual CRT, in the same way I don't think in Florida they are teaching or talking much about "gay" in k-3. That being said, we are seeing a pretty strong swing towards more critical (and some would argue more hating and condemning) of America's history. Our history must be taught, so let's not go from glossing over all the bad, to glossing over all of the good.

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 03:45 PM
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DUKE - what, specifically, do you think CA schools are teaching about race and history that they shouldn't be teaching to K-12 kids?

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 03:44 PM
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DUKE - I agree and see that, but the outrage over CRT is by only 1 side. The left is not, despite what FOX says, trying to force elementary kids to study history through the CRT analytical method, used in grad/law schools. Sure, they're teaching them that slavery was wrong, what we did to the Native Americans was wrong, etc, but in no school are they ONLY teaching that and ignoring things like the Declaration of Independence or the New Deal or things like that.

"on the far left you have people demanding Lincoln, Washington and Hamiltons names be stripped from schools." Yeah, but that's not part of CRT, that's just over-wokeism.

What it comes down to, is an over-paranoid segment of our population screaming and panicking about "CRT" and "ethnic studies" thinking their kids are being indoctrinated. Teaching the facts of history and giving a minority viewpoint for once, is not indoctrination. It's learning to see both sides of a thing. And fact is, white people were freaking horrible to minorities throughout our history. That's not CRT, that's the truth. Some people don't like to have to face reality.

dukemunson Apr 11, 2022 03:09 PM
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How is that "truth" taught is the issue/question. We seem to be swinging too far one direction in California...which regrettably then leads to other spots swinging too far the other direction.

dukemunson Apr 11, 2022 03:08 PM
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Sac - The distinction seems to be in how you are portraying events of history. Slavery needs to be taught, that is absolutely true. But there is a thought process and inclination by some to go full Howard Zinn and focus solely on the negative aspects of our history (or of course on the flip side, only focus on the greatness of our history). Both sides are inaccurate, misleading and dangerous. So yes, there is too much attention and fear about CRT being pushed on the far right, but on the far left you have people demanding Lincoln, Washington and Hamiltons names be stripped from schools.

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 02:38 PM
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VOICE at 2:36 - it's not? What's it about then?

a-1649712982 Apr 11, 2022 02:36 PM
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Still thinking this cartoon is about history huh?

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 02:26 PM
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DUKE - what is the "extreme" in this situation? Only the right is freaking out about kids being taught the truth about history. This isn't some leftist indoctrination we're talking about here. It's American History.

dukemunson Apr 11, 2022 01:49 PM
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SBO - You do realize of course that you are speaking about both parties right now, right? The left is exactly the same. And truly is crazy how in lock step both extremes of the two parties are...

bicyclist Apr 11, 2022 10:48 AM
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9:59 AM: what does the term "nearly 100%" really mean??? Something like >51%? almost NEARLY, but 100% wrong could just be considered "Incorrect". Percents were not used properly? (just what my "position is")

SantaBarbaraObserver Apr 11, 2022 10:32 AM
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Since you're so confident that there is such a coordinated effort, please cite the studies, the proof and/or the existence of what you claim exists in parity on the Left.

But know that no matter how hard you Google, (something you probably equate to academic research), you will not be able to find any such equivalency. Why not? Because no matter how loud the RIGHT whines and cries and complains that the world is dominated by Leftists, there is actually nothing of the sort in existence or practice.

What you claim is a bias and so-called indoctrination, is actually what educated people call reason... What you want instead is what is literally, indoctrination. The teaching of fables and falsehoods based on faith, not facts or figures... Its astounding that facts and figures end up being labeled as "liberal" while fantasy and fables are what is considered "conservative" by the simpletons. But then again, those who make such claims aren't exactly the smartest or even average people...

a-1649696363 Apr 11, 2022 09:59 AM
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You're are nearly 100% correct SBO, but you started off with "right wing" and should have just started your comment with "media". To phrase it the way you did, like it's only a one-sided problem, makes readers think you believe the left-wing doesn't do the exact same thing, which would be 100% wrong. And if you don't think that's the case then we'll never see eye to eye because your starting point isn't based in reality. This is really at the heart of how divisive we've become the past 5-10 years, calling out one position or side for their wrongs while ignoring, or worse - excusing, the same thing occurring on whatever your preferred side or position is.

SantaBarbaraObserver Apr 11, 2022 09:32 AM
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Right wing media and politicians work in unison. Their phrases, stories, words etc. all come from a central source. They literally get their marching orders from the same people, at the same "think tank"...

The fact that many channels and online outlets use the same verbiage, in the same manner, at the same time, fools simpletons into thinking that the information they're receiving is accurate and important. It makes simpletons feel like they're a part of the conversation when in reality, no one ever asks them for advice or insights on anything of importance. So they feel as if they're in on something big, that their knowledge on this subject makes them "smart"... This is the same underlying driver of conspiracy theories. Simple people who think knowing something that you dont makes them "smart"... phhhffff

For these "simple" people, it is comforting to have their fears and their feelings validated by actors and charlatans. So they believe it, they repeat it and without any evidence ,they fight for it. What is crazy is that no matter how many times it turns out that they'd been lied to or misled by these very people, they still fall for the same stuff over and over and over...

Turns out that you really can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time.

a-1649692749 Apr 11, 2022 08:59 AM
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What's amazing SBO is how sure people are with themselves that they know exactly what's going on, or in this case so sure something isn't going on, in the 100,000 +/- schools throughout our country. Just look at how absolute the language that is used in these comments, it's written with the same certainty as they would say the Earth is round yet how could anyone possibly gain such certainty on what is occurring in each of the 100,000 schools. Through the "news"? that's certainly no longer the bastion of objectivity it used to be and more of an echo chamber appeal to preestablished beliefs. Though social media, a politician speech? Please, I would love to know the source of where people are getting information on this that makes them so sure they know exactly what's going on throughout our county.

SantaBarbaraObserver Apr 11, 2022 07:51 AM
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Oh Babycakes, you poor thing. You really have no clue...

Isn't it amazing how people can think they understand things, when in reality they're so far off its laughable? Lol BC, lol...

Babycakes Apr 11, 2022 07:28 AM
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RHS: You ask: "The test of democracy is can it continue to survive such buffeting?" I think a better question is: Should we be judged by the color of our skin, or the content of our character? It seems that the content of our character is out the window, and is mostly about what you folks are talking about (for the most part).

Basicinfo805 Apr 10, 2022 06:18 PM
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That’s an oversimplistic cartoon. Teachers aren’t quitting over critical race theory. I personally think some people are getting upset about the idea of crt is because our schools aren’t currently able to even teach the basics like reading, writing, math, science etc. and then are looking to extend into other categories like this. Stay in your lane teachers, or should I say school administrators.

During Covid times here we’ve seen a big divergence on the part of our local school districts into the realm of ‘social support’ I guess I would call it. Free lunches for all, constant reminders of how to mask up. Ok, let’s let that go. The kids are doing just fine, but if you forget your mission - to TEACH - they’ll be struggling in the long run.

sacjon Apr 11, 2022 08:37 AM
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BASIC - I don't think the teacher here is quitting over CRT, but rather exhibiting despair and frustration that kids think learning about MLK is CRT. Teaching about the Civil Rights movement in an American History class has been done for generations and isn't "CRT."

a-1649661818 Apr 11, 2022 12:23 AM
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Oh my, don't let schools provide food for disadvantaged kids! That would be terrible!

a-1649643512 Apr 10, 2022 07:18 PM
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Well... it's a cartoon. Not an investigative article. And the the teacher is thinking "I quit," not stating it. Hence the cloud bubble that suggests a thought. And... teachers are teaching. What do you think they're doing? Sitting around?

Babycakes Apr 10, 2022 09:16 AM
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It is a complete falsehood and disservice to say or even suggest that MLK taught hate towards white people. Interesting that so many commenters here think they actually know much about MLK. He would be completely against the concept of teaching CRT, especially to children. I do not understand why supporters of CRT are upset and say that it's not being taught in school. I would think that CRT supporters would support CRT being taught in schools.....not support that it's not being taught in schools. Seems a bit backwards to me. Also, just a nit, but the cartoon depicts a female, or what appears to be female, teacher quitting her/his job rather than do their job. Not one complaint about the caroon showing weakness in the face of controversy. The end result of all of this are indoctrinated uneducated children with no hope for the future.


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